4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #104

[Warwick7]

Transcript

Question

chrome 2 News you mentioned that there's an indication that it's an isolated
targeted incident and there is an individual somewhere can you give us a reason as to why there's that belief there is a suspect and can you also give a little more information on the forced entry - there's no sign of forced entry but was the door did it seem like any of the entries were left unlocked by any means

Answer
10:45
I'll add to the last part there just because it's at the front end of my mind we're not 100 sure if the door was unlocked but there was no damage to anything and the door was still open when we got there.

Thank you for your work.

 

[PinkParis2052]

She took on a second DP case in the midst of representing a client accused, with direct evidence, of murdering in cold blood 4 young and vital college kids!? I'd say that's a bit negligent of her. Wouldn't you? Well unless her plan is to plea soon and not go to trial?

There is a law in Idaho and I can't remember which one is it but but she can be assigned to at most two death penalty cases as the same time.

Anne Taylor was assigned once the prosecutor for the Skylar Meade case decided to go after the death penalty in his case. This was back in Aug 8, 2024. Anne Taylor is only one 13 public defenders who are death penalty certified to be the lead counsel and she services the North Idaho area.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article290857014.html?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

 

[Balthazar]

At this time, there is no alternate suspect evidence. The defense must have names, and must provide them before trial, and soon, if they exist. They cannot just say SODDI. BK has no alibi between 2:47 and 4:48, regardless of what the defense claims, period. There is no "partial" alibi. There either is one, or there is not one. And unless someone suddenly remembers seeing him elsewhere at the time of the murders, no one can offer an alibi but BK. Someone being able to show where he was an hour and a half before the murders is not an alibi. Again, where are these AT&T non-existent timing advance records, that AT&T swore they did not supply to the state, going to come from? Are they going to just materialize out of thin air? There is absolutely zero evidence that they exist. Ballance will be talked to outside of the presence of the jury, and barring some great secret revelation, the jury will never know of the talk.

I do find it surprising that you assign such low value to the Amazon click activity pertaining to the KaBar knife, being allowed, and apparently also to the information about the vehicle, in light of the video that will come in of the traffic stop, and all of the video of an identical car circling the area of KIng Rd, before stopping and leaving just when the murders were committed. I also think the defense placed high value on the demonstrative house model. They certainly put up a fuss about it, and yet, it is coming in. JMO

Evidence that the missing Timing Advance Reports exist:
10 months ago in the hearing with BP on May 30, 2024, BP said at about 24:29 that he was aware of the request for the timing advance reports from AT&T and several other companies and says they were turned over to the prosecutor's office. He claims he doesn't remember seeing these reports and wouldn't recognize them but he knows the Prosecution got them. CAST Agent Ballance helped BP write the request for the timing advance reports. On redirect, AT asks BP if he got timing advance records from May of 2023 and BP says she should ask LM and that he doesn't recall writing a new warrant for the Timing Advance Records at that time. That is clear testimony that the timing advance reports did exist prior to May 2023. In addition, LM, in his testimony said the session log he found on his computer contains the timing advance data from AT&T - for both the first and second warrant returns which he confirms are both for BK's phone and that he gave it to the Prosecutor the day before that hearing. On 4/19/23 LM was asked to create a map for the GJ and he took screenshots of this data. LM confirms he put in the call records and that the tower locations are already a part of the data in the file. He confirmed in this hearing that he sent AT evidence yesterday (day before the hearing) because he either forgot he had it or lost it on his laptop.

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LM testimony:

BP testimony:

Proof of Alternate Suspects:
Further, at this hearing with BP near the 2:12:00 mark EM mentioned the state might still be pursuing the alternate suspects in this case. So the alternate suspects HAVE ALWAYS existed in this case and we have had long term direct evidence of this from that hearing. These little details all matter.
JMO.

Additional proof of alternative suspects:
1. the unknown male DNA found in blood on the bannister
2. more unknown male DNA in blood inside gloves found just outside the house.
3. the unusual activities going on in the LL videos throughout the timeframe before, during and after the murders, especially the man who leaves LL towards 1122 in one set of clothes and shoes and then returns to LL to be picked up dressed differently with different shoes on.
4. Chief Fry told us this was an "Isolated, targeted attack," from the beginning indicating in "LE terms" that this was OC. How did he know? Well, the type of wounds we have been told that were left on at least one of the victims is a known "calling card" certain OC groups leave to claim responsibility for a murder. So it could be that or something else that was done inside 1122 as a calling card. All I know is that the MPD did not want anyone seeing what was in that house and went to the highly unusual step of removing the victims possessions themselves when normally that is left to their family members to do.
5. EM's comment about alternative suspects still being looked into from the hearing with BP.
6. Some of the infamous 4Chan posts about the Idaho4 crime were hate-filled - like what members of this OC group might post.
7. Unknown DNA under MM's nail.
Can AT name those men on LL? At this point, I would expect her investigator has found out who they were and know the motive.
All JMO.

Amazon Clicks:
In regards to the Amazon clicks, there is no receipt for a purchase for the Amazon click activity. Metadata and context are missing from that piece of evidence. So, with what the defense has been given, they simply cannot confirm that it was an actual purchase, just clicks. Until there is an actual receipt for purchase, it's a low value piece of evidence and jurors won't be fooled by it, IMO.

White Vehicle:
In regards to the white vehicle, it is one in thousands in the area, but BK's white Elantra does not seem to be a direct match to the 2-3 white cars on the LL videos or in the photo passing the gas station/convenience store. The white cars in the videos and photo all have tinted windows and at least one has a sunroof. BK's vehicle had neither. JMO.


JMO.

 

[sunshineray]

This is a circumstantial case.
JMO

No
Is there some rule that says an attorney cannot have more than one case?
IMO JHipp should focus on where the problem in this case originates.
JMO

Perhaps that was the plan for her other case?
There may be a strong reason that she is unable to disclose in JHipps Court.
JMO

His DNA is at the scene. Direct. It's also in the victims bed where they were murdered, on a piece of evidence very much suited to the manner of death of the victims. Not direct but a very damning fact. MO

I think it's very negligent of her, especially when she's stated, in court to the judge, that she's absolutely overwhelmed by the case and it's mountains of discovery. MO

It's either negligence on her her part or she thinks a plea may stop the proceedings to trial. MO

 

[Arkay]

Is there some rule that says an attorney cannot have more than one case?
IMO JHipp should focus on where the problem in this case originates.

IMO———some of the issues the judge is having with AT, as we all know, is that she has made several claims in court that she hasn’t had enough time to go through some very important work, and is pleading for more time to be extended to her.

I’ve no idea about Idaho law nor how far behind AT is on this caseload, but to me it’s only common sense that in a case so complex, as well as notorious, it was not practical for her to take on another case at this time.

She may have every right to take on another case, but not if it’s doing a disservice to her initial client, whose case she’s already having trouble keeping up with in a timely manner.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

There is a law in Idaho and I can't remember which one is it but but she can be assigned to at most two death penalty cases as the same time.

Anne Taylor was assigned once the prosecutor for the Skylar Meade case decided to go after the death penalty in his case. This was back in Aug 8, 2024. Anne Taylor is only one 13 public defenders who are death penalty certified to be the lead counsel and she services the North Idaho area.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article290857014.html?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

She's got a 4 murders in 1 case, that's plenty, more than she seems to be able to handle right now, by her own admissions. MO

 

[PinkParis2052]

She took on a second DP case in the midst of representing a client accused, with direct evidence, of murdering in cold blood 4 young and vital college kids!? I'd say that's a bit negligent of her. Wouldn't you? Well unless her plan is to plea soon and not go to trial?

IMO———some of the issues the judge is having with AT, as we all know, is that she has made several claims in court that she hasn’t had enough time to go through some very important work, and is pleading for more time to be extended to her.

I’ve no idea about Indiana law nor how far behind AT is on this caseload, but to me it’s only common sense that in a case so complex, as well as notorious, it was not practical for her to take on another case at this time.

JMO

I'm sure you meant Idaho instead of Idiana.

“Being one of 13 means that I am one of the few in Idaho — I’m the only in North Idaho — that can handle a death penalty case,” Taylor told the committee in March. “Since we can only have two at a time, you can imagine how fast those obligations will fill up.”Which is a quote from the article listed below from Aug 2024.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article290857014.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Ghostwheel]

Transcript

Question

chrome 2 News you mentioned that there's an indication that it's an isolated
targeted incident and there is an individual somewhere can you give us a reason as to why there's that belief there is a suspect and can you also give a little more information on the forced entry - there's no sign of forced entry but was the door did it seem like any of the entries were left unlocked by any means

Answer
10:45
I'll add to the last part there just because it's at the front end of my mind we're not 100 sure if the door was unlocked but there was no damage to anything and the door was still open when we got there.

Does it say which door was open? I listened and didn't hear slider or front door or anything specific. Just the part about "the door" which could have been left open by anyone. And thank you for the video.

 

[MassGuy]

Evidence that the missing Timing Advance Reports exist:
10 months ago in the hearing with BP on May 30, 2024, BP said at about 24:29 that he was aware of the request for the timing advance reports from AT&T and several other companies and says they were turned over to the prosecutor's office. He claims he doesn't remember seeing these reports and wouldn't recognize them but he knows the Prosecution got them. CAST Agent Ballance helped BP write the request for the timing advance reports. On redirect, AT asks BP if he got timing advance records from May of 2023 and BP says she should ask LM and that he doesn't recall writing a new warrant for the Timing Advance Records at that time. That is clear testimony that the timing advance reports did exist prior to May 2023. In addition, LM, in his testimony said the session log he found on his computer contains the timing advance data from AT&T - for both the first and second warrant returns which he confirms are both for BK's phone and that he gave it to the Prosecutor the day before that hearing. On 4/19/23 LM was asked to create a map for the GJ and he took screenshots of this data. LM confirms he put in the call records and that the tower locations are already a part of the data in the file. He confirmed in this hearing that he sent AT evidence yesterday (day before the hearing) because he either forgot he had it or lost it on his laptop.

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LM testimony:

BP testimony:

Proof of Alternate Suspects:
Further, at this hearing with BP near the 2:12:00 mark EM mentioned the state might still be pursuing the alternate suspects in this case. So the alternate suspects HAVE ALWAYS existed in this case and we have had long term direct evidence of this from that hearing. These little details all matter.
JMO.

Additional proof of alternative suspects:
1. the unknown male DNA found in blood on the bannister
2. more unknown male DNA in blood inside gloves found just outside the house.
3. the unusual activities going on in the LL videos throughout the timeframe before, during and after the murders, especially the man who leaves LL towards 1122 in one set of clothes and shoes and then returns to LL to be picked up dressed differently with different shoes on.
4. Chief Fry told us this was an "Isolated, targeted attack," from the beginning indicating in "LE terms" that this was OC. How did he know? Well, the type of wounds we have been told that were left on at least one of the victims is a known "calling card" certain OC groups leave to claim responsibility for a murder. So it could be that or something else that was done inside 1122 as a calling card. All I know is that the MPD did not want anyone seeing what was in that house and went to the highly unusual step of removing the victims possessions themselves when normally that is left to their family members to do.
5. EM's comment about alternative suspects still being looked into from the hearing with BP.
6. Some of the infamous 4Chan posts about the Idaho4 crime were hate-filled - like what members of this OC group might post.
7. Unknown DNA under MM's nail.
Can AT name those men on LL? At this point, I would expect her investigator has found out who they were and know the motive.
All JMO.

Amazon Clicks:
In regards to the Amazon clicks, there is no receipt for a purchase for the Amazon click activity. Metadata and context are missing from that piece of evidence. So, with what the defense has been given, they simply cannot confirm that it was an actual purchase, just clicks. Until there is an actual receipt for purchase, it's a low value piece of evidence and jurors won't be fooled by it, IMO.

White Vehicle:
In regards to the white vehicle, it is one in thousands in the area, but BK's white Elantra does not seem to be a direct match to the 2-3 white cars on the LL videos or in the photo passing the gas station/convenience store. The white cars in the videos and photo all have tinted windows and at least one has a sunroof. BK's vehicle had neither. JMO.


JMO.

A lot to unpack here.

It's clear those timing advance records do not exist. The defense would have been completely prepared for that last hearing, and had absolutely no evidence to put forward to support their accusations. They got creamed by the judge, and rightfully so. No one is risking this case, and committing career suicide, by sticking with an easily provable lie. That's just silly.

The defense has hundreds of tips with which they can use to build a narrative of an alternative suspect. It's pretty clear they are going to point to numerous people, or at least try to (they have to meet a certain burden before that is allowed). None of this is the least bit surprising, and shows how weak their alternate suspect theory will be. Instead of pointing at one solid suspect, they will cast a wide net. That's the definition of weakness.

A single blood spot on a railing in the portion of the house the killer did not go - blood that has no corresponding blood, like it would if the killer had cut himself.

A glove found outside the house. Clearly this glove doesn't have victim DNA on it (like it should), or a cut in it (like it should). The defense would have mentioned this if that was the case. Again, no corresponding blood.

That's just really weak sauce, and I wish them all the luck in the world with that.

I say that, because it does nothing to explain away BK's DNA, the knife purchase, his movements that night, powering down his cell phone, and a bunch of other astronomical coincidences that no juror is going to be gullible enough to believe.

They can prove he purchased the knife. The judge talked about Kohberger buying an Amazon gift card utilizing a credit card, and then making that purchase. I can't wait for more details to that effect. In addition, this purchase will be corroborated by witnesses (they learned of this purchase from at least one witness, which is how they knew the timeframe to use for the warrant).

The click activity has to do with Kohberger searching for a replacement knife after the murders; it is not being used in regards to the initial purchase, which they can prove independently.

The DNA under MM's fingernails belonged primarily to her, and included KG. There is less than 1% male DNA there, which closes the door on the theory that she scratched her attacked. This is also refuted by her intoxication level, lack of any defensive wounds, and the strong likelihood that BK was wearing coveralls.

It is not in any way unusual for MPD to have removed the victim's items from the house. Some of it may have been evidence, and the rest would have been taken so save the family the unbelievable horror of ever setting foot in that house. This was a rental property, and not the standard situation where a private home is turned back over to the homeowner. No one who was living there at the time was ever going to be living there again.

 

[Arkay]

I'm sure you meant Idaho instead of Idiana.

“Being one of 13 means that I am one of the few in Idaho — I’m the only in North Idaho — that can handle a death penalty case,” Taylor told the committee in March. “Since we can only have two at a time, you can imagine how fast those obligations will fill up.”Which is a quote from the article listed below from Aug 2024.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article290857014.html#storylink=cpy

Yes, thank you, I did mean Idaho. I’ve corrected it now.

I completely grasp that there are not many qualified DP lawyers in AT’s region. I understand there’s another client in need of such a lawyer.

However, given that AT appears at times to beg Judge Hippler for more time, complaining about the immense documentation she still hasn’t plowed through, IMO she’s neglecting BK’s right to a speedy trial by falling so far behind in his case.

I don’t know what accommodations could be made for the other client, change of venue or whatever, but as AT has self-professed she’s so lagging behind on this caseload, I feel it was unwise.

JMO

 

[wendy44]

Thank you

Looks like it was deleted but yes thank you @Nila Aella . I knew it was something brought up recently that was new to me.

 

[Sachi]

A lot to unpack here.

It's clear those timing advance records do not exist. The defense would have been completely prepared for that last hearing, and had absolutely no evidence to put forward to support their accusations. They got creamed by the judge, and rightfully so. No one is risking this case, and committing career suicide, by sticking with an easily provable lie. That's just silly.

The defense has hundreds of tips with which they can use to build a narrative of an alternative suspect. It's pretty clear they are going to point to numerous people, or at least try to (they have to meet a certain burden before that is allowed). None of this is the least bit surprising, and shows how weak their alternate suspect theory will be. Instead of pointing at one solid suspect, they will cast a wide net. That's the definition of weakness.

A single blood spot on a railing in the portion of the house the killer did not go - blood that has no corresponding blood, like it would if the killer had cut himself.

A glove found outside the house. Clearly this glove doesn't have victim DNA on it (like it should), or a cut in it (like it should). The defense would have mentioned this if that was the case. Again, no corresponding blood.

That's just really weak sauce, and I wish them all the luck in the world with that.

I say that, because it does nothing to explain away BK's DNA, the knife purchase, his movements that night, powering down his cell phone, and a bunch of other astronomical coincidences that no juror is going to be gullible enough to believe.

They can prove he purchased the knife. The judge talked about Kohberger buying an Amazon gift card utilizing a credit card, and then making that purchase. I can't wait for more details to that effect. In addition, this purchase will be corroborated by witnesses (they learned of this purchase from at least one witness, which is how they knew the timeframe to use for the warrant).

The click activity has to do with Kohberger searching for a replacement knife after the murders; it is not being used in regards to the initial purchase, which they can prove independently.

The DNA under MM's fingernails belonged primarily to her, and included KG. There is less than 1% male DNA there, which closes the door on the theory that she scratched her attacked. This is also refuted by her intoxication level, lack of any defensive wounds, and the strong likelihood that BK was wearing coveralls.

It is not in any way unusual for MPD to have removed the victim's items from the house. Some of it may have been evidence, and the rest would have been taken so save the family the unbelievable horror of ever setting foot in that house. This was a rental property, and not the standard situation where a private home is turned back over to the homeowner. No one who was living there at the time was ever going to be living there again.

And, unpack you did. Thank you for this.

 

[sunspun]

I was responding to what was said in a specific post by providing the D answer during the hearing.
I linked the hearing for anyone interested in listening to the whole dialogue.
JMO

IMO SR is not a conspiracy theorist.
JMO

At the end of the hearing the Judge mentioned that maybe it would be appropriate for the State to certify that there was not exculpatory evidence.
JMO

He did, and I posted AT response to that.
JMO

As I understand it, there are no witnesses except the experts.
JMO

I agree with both of them. I think the D and the Judge were saying two different things. IMO AT did not explain this well.
JMO

To be continued IMO.
Agent B will be questioned under oath.

JMO

You mentioned that you posted her reply to Judge asking why she took on another DP case. That was one of the things I was wanting to hear (her reply to that). But I didn't see that in your post. You said she "explained the circumstances" of why she took the other case. Did that seem to answer Judge's question? I'm just trying to understand what she gave as answer to Judge when he asked her that.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

That's what velcro and loafers were invented for, people who either just don't want to bother to learn or simply have a problem with fine dexterity. Are his lawyers actually trying to use his unwillingness or inability to tie his shoes as a reason he shouldn't get the DP? Well that and his struggle to button his shirt?

But he CAN button his shirt! All the way to the top.

 

[jepop]

I know we learned a couple days ago that today's scheduled motions hearing was cancelled. Anyone have any thoughts as to why it might have been?

The vacated hearing is to do with jury questionnaires. Imo at a guess, probably vacated and new date to be scheduled owing to defense and/or state being unable to yet reach agreement or one or both sides not done with their own analysis. If so, we will probably see a notice for a new date and hearing soon. Jmo

 

[jepop]

At a glance, judge approves victims' families being permitted in court and reserved for the defendant's family.

Asking the State to provide an ex parte explanation for which members will be called and any reason for which they can't be called to testify early.

Good, this is a fair call and another indication of the fairness of this judge for all those on SM and elsewhere screaming ( figuratively) about judicial bias. Jmo

Hippler is simply learned, knows the basic evidence well already, and very capable. Also, moo he was very controlled and patient with AT given the unfounded accusations levelled at prosecutors via defense motion and SY Ray re non existent timing advance records. Let's not pretend SY Ray's affidavit bordered if not crossed the line into libellous territory moo, or at the very least inflammatory, uncalled for and shocking. Moo

Hippler's solution was fair and his explanation re no shenanigans in the courtroom and in filings was above board, rational and reasonable. On ya Honourable Judge Hippler. Jmo

 

[SteveP]

Good, this is a fair call and another indication of the fairness of this judge for all those on SM and elsewhere screaming ( figuratively) about judicial bias. Jmo

Hippler is simply learned, knows the basic evidence well already, and very capable. Also, moo he was very controlled and patient with AT given the unfounded accusations levelled at prosecutors via defense motion and SY Ray re non existent timing advance records. Let's not pretend SY Ray's affidavit bordered if not crossed the line into libellous territory moo, or at the very least inflammatory, uncalled for and shocking. Moo

Hippler's solution was fair and his explanation re no shenanigans in the courtroom and in filings was above board, rational and reasonable. On ya Honourable Judge Hippler. Jmo

I agree, I really like Judge Hippler. I think he is the perfect judge for this trial. One thing I have noticed in the last hearing specifically, and it frankly did not sit well with me, is that, at times, at least one attorney from each side addressed him as "Judge". I know that is acceptable, but to this old guy, anyway, I find it to be almost disrespectful. I think "Your honor" is much more appropriate, and hopefully when we get to trial, he will be addressed as that always. JMO

 

[Warwick7]

I was looking at my timeline. I thought this was interesting. All of which happened on Dec 7, 2022.

Dec 7, 2022 Police appeal to announce to public their interest in talking to driver of White Elantra seen in immediate area of crime at time of crime.

Dec 7, 2022 or after the Ride Share guy (for KG and MM) notified police about BK's car. He only lived 1200 ft from BK.

Dec 7, 2022 police were seen packing up the victims' belongings to return to the families, who had lost so much. It was the police chief behind the wheel of the U-Haul truck.

 

[LadyL]

Agree, but will BK think so highly of himself and his ability to argue his case that he would take the stand?

Don't forget he was the Extemporaneous Speaking Champion from his Region back in 2019. He believes he can win any argument for sure, maybe he thinks he can sway the jury or at least one for a mistrial?

The dramatic change in his physical appearance is definitely a planned move by the Defense IMO.

JMO

I'm having trouble keeping up with this case. What was his dramatic change in physical appearance? iydm

 

[Warwick7]

I'm having trouble keeping up with this case. What was his dramatic change in physical appearance? iydm