4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[SteveP]

Blum writing for the Daily Mail now? With his insufferable hyperbole and loose-with-the facts style? Preparing to down some large grains of salt when reading this, including claims about BK's mother. Why doesn't he leave BK's parents alone. What rumours and problems is his 'report' going to cause them. It's Blum. Enough said. Just my bias-against- Blum opinion.

Nothing screams that your career is on the fast track quite like going from writing for the NY Times to, well... JMO

 

[NoeticSoul]

Blum writing for the Daily Mail now? With his insufferable hyperbole and loose-with-the facts style? Preparing to Nothing screams that your career is on the fast track quite like going from writing for the NY Times to, well... JMO

ita ~ LOL He's become the Jerry Springer of "msm" (using that word very loosely) sensationalizing everything that doesn't need to be imo.

 

[jepop]

Nothing screams that your career is on the fast track quite like going from writing for the NY Times to, well... JMO

"...to, well....[the Daily @*#*]." Exactly. Say no more. Probably lucrative, but we all know he can't take it with him. Mr '20 cells' Howard Blum, your job is done! Jmo

 

[Warwick7]

Nothing substantiates BK's mother wanting her son to turn down a plea offer. She very well may want him to take a plea bargain to avoid death row. Not pleading guilty opens the door to likely conviction and death row.

( Sources close to Kohberger's family tell me that Kohberger's mother Maryann is encouraging her son to plead not guilty, in the face of mountains of evidence.)

No offense to you but I see this article as gossip more than news. BK has a constitutional right to decide for himself how he wants to plead. No judge would allow a defendant's attorney to plead guilty for their client against their client's wishes.

Even if the judge allowed AT to plead guilty for him in open court while he stands silent - BK would still have to acknowledge, under oath, that this is what he wants.

If BK wishes to plead guilty then this will be done in open court under oath for the record in front of the families, including signing his guilty confessions right there.

It would be made clear that BK understands that he would be giving up his constitutional rights to a fair trial, and the chance to appeal his guilty verdicts. He could still appeal his sentence.

Then at sentencing he would have to listen to victim impact statements and he would be allowed to address the court and have his say if he wanted to.

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BBM
Yes, the DailyMail can be very gossipy at times. They also have been known to dig up quite a bit of accurate news.

At this point we don't know if all that's in the article is true...time will tell.

 

[Warwick7]

I've always thought BK had no intention of returning to WSU after winter break.

Me too! But what kind of excuse could he think of to to tell or convince his parents? And besides that, he wasn't there long and his siblings were checking out the inside of his car.

 

[Warwick7]

BK purchased the knife and sheath well before he moved to ID. Did he already have plans to use it on someone he noticed online beforehand or did he just take it and select the victim(s) after he got there in June?

That's what makes me unsure of him targeting Maddie or Kaylee only verses the house in general. He brought the knife with him from PA...why?

Because...he had a master plan that he was going to eventually act out.

 

[mickey2942]

This judge is great. Sure, you can talk all about "Autism". When BK testifies. LOL. He didn't close the door on the "Autism". But neatly locked in the defense.

Fine. When BK is on the stand he can talk all about it.

 

[mickey2942]

He sounds like he thinks he is smarter by telling the Pullman police department that he could show them how to do something better than the way they were doing it. I do not think he got the internship and that may have angered him.

Police said Kohberger applied for an internship with the Pullman police in the fall of 2022. In an essay he said he wanted to help "rural law enforcement agencies with how to better collect and analyze technological data in public safety operations," according to court documents.

Idaho murders: Suspect applied for internship with local police department

The suspect, Bryan Kohberger, 28, was arrested in Pennsylvania's Pocono Mountains in the early hours of Dec. 30, according to police.

abcnews.go.com

I can imagine that went over like a lead balloon. Do we know anything about BK's work history?

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

This judge is great. Sure, you can talk all about "Autism". When BK testifies. LOL. He didn't close the door on the "Autism". But neatly locked in the defense.

Fine. When BK is on the stand he can talk all about it.

Don’t disagree @mickey2942 ….. just hope that is practical. IANAL….. but IIUC as the defendant has the right not to testify and remain silent…. wonder how sound that ruling is? And can it really be tied to such a condition? Hopefully a practicing attorney in these threads can give input on this here.

If the defense has no evidence at all of any BK conditions, including autism, and prior diagnosis or then there would need to be some admission or evidence introduced for such.

And don’t get me wrong….. I am not at all defending this suspect. And hope for a full and proper trial, evidence, testimony, and outcome. Including conviction based on the evidence now available publicly.

Shall have to wait for trial and evidence on the record. And don’t want any allowances for any reversal or other if later appealed. MOO

 

[sunshineray]

Don’t disagree @mickey2942 ….. just hope that is practical. IANAL….. but IIUC as the defendant has the right not to testify and remain silent…. wonder how sound that ruling is? And can it really be tied to such a condition? Hopefully a practicing attorney in these threads can give input on this here.

If the defense has no evidence at all of any BK conditions, including autism, and prior diagnosis or then there would need to be some admission or evidence introduced for such.

And don’t get me wrong….. I am not at all defending this suspect. And hope for a full and proper trial, evidence, testimony, and outcome. Including conviction based on the evidence now available publicly.

Shall have to wait for trial and evidence on the record. And don’t want any allowances for any reversal or other if later appealed. MOO

Do you think the Defense has discovery about BK that they're not giving to the State, as required? What are the rights of the State to examine the defendant if his attorney's think/motion his competence is in question? Has the State asked to do so? Is that just a matter for the judge to address before trial? Or is the responsibility strictly on BK's attorneys to argue, to have him declare incompetent to stand trial? What a teetering and flimsy tightrope the Defense seems to want to cross. Now the judge has said only BK himself can walk it. What's left for the sides to do? What is the correct action for BK's defense to take now?

It's quite a jumbled mess at the moment, isn't it? It would seem that logically, working out and accepting a plea deal from the State IS the path the defense seems to have deliberately constructed for their client. JMO If not that, then what else is their plan?

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Do you think the Defense has discovery about BK that they're not giving to the State, as required? What are the rights of the State to examine the defendant if his attorney's think/motion his competence is in question? Has the State asked to do so? Is that just a matter for the judge to address before trial? Or is the responsibility strictly on BK's attorneys to argue, to have him declare incompetent to stand trial? What a teetering and flimsy tightrope the Defense seems to want to cross. Now the judge has said only BK himself can walk it. What's left for the sides to do? What is the correct action for BK's defense to take now?

It's quite a jumbled mess at the moment, isn't it? It would seem that logically, working out and accepting a plea deal from the State IS the path the defense seems to have deliberately constructed for their client. JMO If not that, then what else is their plan?

Thank you @sunshineray …. and unfortunately I have no idea as to the position of either side relating to possible discovery. Nor as to the defense possible strategies. Until now, and with the little information available publicly, the defense tactics do at times appear ‘interesting’. Just hope all will become clear in the ID courtroom when the trial commences. MOO

 

[jepop]

BBM
Yes, the DailyMail can be very gossipy at times. They also have been known to dig up quite a bit of accurate news.

At this point we don't know if all that's in the article is true...time will tell.

The article was written by Blum as a Daily Mail report. Something to consider when assessing likelihood of accuracy. Good old Blum and his reliable, accurate sources. Jmo

 

[sunshineray]

Thank you @sunshineray …. and unfortunately I have no idea as to the position of either side relating to possible discovery. Nor as to the defense possible strategies. Until now, and with the little information available publicly, the defense tactics do at times appear ‘interesting’. Just hope all will become clear in the ID courtroom when the trial commences. MOO

Or hopefully decided before the trial starts. If that's the course, why put the families and friends through such pain needlessly? MO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

August traffic stop, 11:40 pm, who wants to guess with me what explanation BK might have given, if the officer who stopped BK asked him what he was going out at that hour?

My money is on: I'm going stargazing.

Two reasons why I think it: AT didn't invent that out of nowhere and it's the perfect cover for what also might look like a kill kit. Dark clothing, dark balaclava, flashlight, binoculars, those sorts of things. Clever, clever.

Shovel? Oh, that? It's for ... snow.

An answer for everything.

JMO

I'm thinking that he didn't mention stargazing on that traffic stops though, because the defence don't want the jury to see it (for obvious reasons) and I think, although not concrete by any stretch, that hearing BK tell LE back in August that the reason for his journey was stargazing would be slight corroboration of his very shady "alibi". So far they have nobody to testify that they knew BK was known to drive around at night and watch the stars, and the jury might think hearing him tell LE that's what he was doing back then might lend weight to it.
Then again, based on how prejudicial the whole traffic stop video is, maybe even if they did have him saying so on tape it's still not worth the risk against the visual of seeing BK in the car, in the area, later at night.
Just musing really.

 

[Sundog]

Don’t disagree @mickey2942 ….. just hope that is practical. IANAL….. but IIUC as the defendant has the right not to testify and remain silent…. wonder how sound that ruling is? And can it really be tied to such a condition? Hopefully a practicing attorney in these threads can give input on this here.

<Snipped for focus>

I wonder about that, too. I agree that it would be good to hear from an attorney on this ruling.

 

[Sundog]

Because...he had a master plan that he was going to eventually act out.

I can't help but think that the Master's degree research survey that he posted on Reddit is related to the purchase of the knife, whether before the survey was posted or around the same time (although I don't remember the exact time of the survey posting).

At some level, it seems to me, that the survey and the knife are related to his plan.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

I can't help but think that the Master's degree research survey that he posted on Reddit is related to the purchase of the knife, whether before the survey was posted or around the same time (although I don't remember the exact time of the survey posting).

At some level, it seems to me, that the survey and the knife are related to his plan.

JMO

Research and comparison...with his own feelings and thoughts probably. MO

 

[Odeto BJ]

Maybe he had nefarious plans in his own state before ever deciding to go to Washington St? Just packed it up and brought it along with him.

Along that vein: Do we know when his coursework at DeSales was complete and when he knew that he was going to graduate with the Masters Degree? IIRC, the questionnaire about "how did Mr Convict FEEL when...." was never answered by anyone, that the professor to whom he owed that work accepted the questionnaire and its structure as sufficient...No actual data was ever gathered/collated/analysed.
Also IIRC: The Amazon purchase was in late March, the delivery the first day or so of April. When would he have received offer and approval for his PHD and TA application/position at WSU? The purchase seems to have preceded the commitments required of the WSU situation.
I have never been quite clear on when he arrived in Washington either: obviously, prior to July 9 but what interval was there between his arrival at WSU and his first night time trip to Moscow, Idaho?
Presuming of course that BK made the knife/sheath/sharpener purchase and had nefarious intents in March, recognizing the nature of the weapon, the likelihood that he established 1122 King Road or any of its occupants as his target before he left PA is something of a stretch. If there was a pre-existing connection between BK and the occupants, it would appear it had to be established between the trip to WA and July 9th.

Considering all that: Somewhere, someone of his prior acquaintance, probably from PA, should feel very fortunate that BK got the WSU position and was on the West Coast most of the summer of '22.

MOO

 

[Ghostwheel]

https://archive.md/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

Noting this is also Howard Blum. I don't know that I trust anything he writes at this point.

 

[Warwick7]

The article was written by Blum as a Daily Mail report. Something to consider when assessing likelihood of accuracy. Good old Blum and his reliable, accurate sources. Jmo

I didn't realize Blum wrote it. I don't like him...