4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[Sundog]

Dec 2021 to Jan 2022 He applied to WSU.

Jan 10th He buys black balaclava.

Feb1st to Mar15th He is ccepted by WSU and applied to PPD.

March 20th-30th He buys Ka-Bar, sheath and sharpener.

April 1st Emails suggest Kohberger was one of four candidates being considered.
At the time of the emails, Kohberger was finishing his Master's degree program at Desales University in his home state of Pennsylvania. He subsequently moved to Pullman, Wash.

April 12th final interview with PPD

July 9th to Nov 7th between 10pm and 4am He was within 100 meters 23 times of that house.

In M00 does it look like going to Washington was all all an elaborate plan to murder someone?

Do you know where, timewise, the Reddit posts fit in with regard to BK's survey questionnaire that was part of his Master's degree research?

 

[Megnut]

Old, very long article, found it while looking for something else, but it's some shiny gems worth re-sharing.

...

In the interview, given just seven months before the University of Idaho murders, Ramsland explained the workings of a psychopath’s mind.

“The brains of what we call primary psychopaths, who seem to be born with this brain disconnect, are definitely different. It allows them to be better predators... ... it allows them to be very effective, better because they really don’t have any remorse over what they’re doing. And they really can be very calculated. They tend to be very reward driven.”

...

But, according to Delatorre, that’s not likely.

“No one just snaps. There can be a straw that breaks the camel’s back, if we want to continue to use … idioms,” he said. “That certainly can happen. But that person has been dealing with distressing emotions for a very long time, has been unsuccessful in coping with them in a healthy way.”

....

(Psychopaths) have a variety of motives. But their personalities tend to have that rigidity and that inability to go with life’s hard knocks and to believe that they’re entitled to more and that they need to punish people for them not getting what they think they deserve,” Ramsland said on Coptales & Cocktails.

....

Delatorre told Law&Crime Network, "......a build up of rejection, could have led to engaging in this kind of behavior … In his mind, it’s finally time to set right the world that has gone wrong inside of him.”

Ferraro has his own theory about Kohberger’s alleged motive.

“I think he had this compulsion, this need, this necessity to do it, and he’s probably always wanted to do it. And finally said, ‘F– it, I’m going to do it,’” he said.

Bryan Kohberger’s life under the radar: Walking in the footsteps of an alleged mass murderer

Lehighvalleylive.com partnered with the Law&Crime Network in the network’s weeks-long investigation into the life of the former DeSales, NCC student before the murders.

www.lehighvalleylive.com

 

[MassGuy]

Steve G (Kaylee’s Dad) was interviewed last night. A couple things of note, which would be huge if true:

He talks about the late 911 call being a blessing, as Kohberger was searching online about the murders before they were even reported.

Kohberger also (allegedly) demonstrated knowledge of the crime before things were made public, and even prior to the murders themselves.

He also says that one of Kohberger's sisters was really helpful, while the rest of the family wasn't.

If the thing about the internet searches is true (looking up the murders before they were reported), then this would be second only to the DNA in terms of importance.

 

[schooling]

Steve G (Kaylee’s Dad) was interviewed last night. A couple things of note, which would be huge if true:

He talks about the late 911 call being a blessing, as Kohberger was searching online about the murders before they were even reported.

Kohberger also (allegedly) demonstrated knowledge of the crime before things were made public, and even prior to the murders themselves.

He also says that one of Kohberger's sisters was really helpful, while the rest of the family wasn't.

If the thing about the internet searches is true (looking up the murders before they were reported), then this would be second only to the DNA in terms of importance.

This is easily explainable. BK's cybersecurity certificate taught him how to hack the future. So he was just trying to figure out if the sheath he lost was going to incriminate his star gazing. Anywho....

In all seriousness. If this was the case, there's no plausible scenario, IMO, where BK is not at least a participant or someone who had direct knowledge of the crime. Unwitting accomplice would be the only viable defense. And he would need to get on the stand to concoct that wild story.

AND if this was true...the defense's focus on BK as a person seems to be, IMO, not a tactic for an eventual retrial on appeal. But to have his death sentence resentenced to life in prison on appeal. Because we all know he's not getting the stand.

Lastly, IMO, BK and BK alone did it.

MOO

 

[Justice101]

Steve G (Kaylee’s Dad) was interviewed last night. A couple things of note, which would be huge if true:

He talks about the late 911 call being a blessing, as Kohberger was searching online about the murders before they were even reported.

Kohberger also (allegedly) demonstrated knowledge of the crime before things were made public, and even prior to the murders themselves.

He also says that one of Kohberger's sisters was really helpful, while the rest of the family wasn't.

If the thing about the internet searches is true (looking up the murders before they were reported), then this would be second only to the DNA in terms of importance.

Completely agree!

IF, and I mean IF, the murders had been reported BEFORE he did his search, then he could always claim that he "heard" about it from someone or saw something online.

With the weirdness of that same-morning selfie, he was excited to see the LE activity that he had created.

The reference made to him actually searching online before LE found them, is that actually documented in court records? Or otherwise, where did it come from. Very interested.

 

[schooling]

Completely agree!

IF, and I mean IF, the murders had been reported BEFORE he did his search, then he could always claim that he "heard" about it from someone or saw something online.

With the weirdness of that same-morning selfie, he was excited to see the LE activity that he had created.

The reference made to him actually searching online before LE found them, is that actually documented in court records? Or otherwise, where did it come from. Very interested.

I had speculated early on that BK was watching the news (didn't think he was dumb enough to use a web browser) for the crime. and when he didn't see it he drove by the house to see why.

Could you imagine the cognitive dissonance (MOO) that was going through as he drove by? Particularly if he saw Dylan the night before as some have speculated (OK, maybe just me) Sounds like a scene out of the movie American Psycho.

MOO

 

[Miss Poovy]

I was using 'thesis' generically but I was picturing it as a "comprehensive research project/study" and it's my contention thst he did not complete it, it wasn't comprehensive and IMO he may have sold some serious balderash to get his  unfinished project stamped for graduation.

If his traffic stops are any indication, he delivered a pile of pedantic hooey.

JMO

Yes, I think I’ve seen that in one of the posts:

 

[Kudzuu]

I keep thinking that Good Vibes light was something that was on at all times, but that has probably never been said. I have night lights all over my house so I suppose I just assumed it.

The irony of the Good Vibes light just hit me.

EBM

 

[Cool Cats]

Steve G (Kaylee’s Dad) was interviewed last night. A couple things of note, which would be huge if true:

He talks about the late 911 call being a blessing, as Kohberger was searching online about the murders before they were even reported.

Kohberger also (allegedly) demonstrated knowledge of the crime before things were made public, and even prior to the murders themselves.

He also says that one of Kohberger's sisters was really helpful, while the rest of the family wasn't.

If the thing about the internet searches is true (looking up the murders before they were reported), then this would be second only to the DNA in terms of importance.

Thanks.

I remember posting long ago that if LE can find that BK searched for the murders before the 911 call, then this is the smoking gun.

2 smoking guns .... DNA

As so much more is being revealed to the public, it could be true that SG has this knowledge.

2 Cents

 

[Megnut]

The irony of the Good Vibes light just hit me.

EBM

However, if the GoodVibes sign created enough light for DM to see BK (and potentially cause BK not to see DM), it's good vibes for conviction.

JMO

 

[Sachi]

Old, very long article, found it while looking for something else, but it's some shiny gems worth re-sharing.

...

In the interview, given just seven months before the University of Idaho murders, Ramsland explained the workings of a psychopath’s mind.

“The brains of what we call primary psychopaths, who seem to be born with this brain disconnect, are definitely different. It allows them to be better predators... ... it allows them to be very effective, better because they really don’t have any remorse over what they’re doing. And they really can be very calculated. They tend to be very reward driven.”

...

But, according to Delatorre, that’s not likely.

“No one just snaps. There can be a straw that breaks the camel’s back, if we want to continue to use … idioms,” he said. “That certainly can happen. But that person has been dealing with distressing emotions for a very long time, has been unsuccessful in coping with them in a healthy way.”

....

(Psychopaths) have a variety of motives. But their personalities tend to have that rigidity and that inability to go with life’s hard knocks and to believe that they’re entitled to more and that they need to punish people for them not getting what they think they deserve,” Ramsland said on Coptales & Cocktails.

....

Delatorre told Law&Crime Network, "......a build up of rejection, could have led to engaging in this kind of behavior … In his mind, it’s finally time to set right the world that has gone wrong inside of him.”

Ferraro has his own theory about Kohberger’s alleged motive.

“I think he had this compulsion, this need, this necessity to do it, and he’s probably always wanted to do it. And finally said, ‘F– it, I’m going to do it,’” he said.

Bryan Kohberger’s life under the radar: Walking in the footsteps of an alleged mass murderer

Lehighvalleylive.com partnered with the Law&Crime Network in the network’s weeks-long investigation into the life of the former DeSales, NCC student before the murders.

www.lehighvalleylive.com

Appreciate this whole post,

I can’t understand this as a compulsion or need though, because I’m not a psychologist or neuroscientist and I get hung up on this stuff and ruminate on it. My fear is that descriptions like this take the blame away from the perp and put it in the hands of a voice that can’t be controlled. I am stretching , surely likely misunderstanding.

From above ..
“I think he had this compulsion, this need, this necessity to do it, and he’s probably always wanted to do it. And finally said, ‘F– it, I’m going to do it,’” he said.

Spitballing

I don’t believe there is a force beyond his own desire to do this , by his actions- believe he chose it, planned it, executed it and covered his tracks as perfectly as he could to live to do it over and over.

 

[Kudzuu]

To add to your thought, DM didn't see any blood because, while there was some dim light, it wasn't bright as the middle of the day inside the house, so she likely didn't see it and thought XK was just passed out.

eta: because some people are questioning "how did she not notice blood all over the place?"

Also IIRC DM said X was dressed in black. We do not know how much of X's body she saw.... Her feet were in the doorway and her head towards the wall...or something to that effect was the description. If DM (I hope) only saw her feet and legs it would be obvious where her head would be.

So maybe any visible blood would be hard to detect on black clothing in dim light. And it is likely most blood pooled on the floor around her torso. Sorry to be graphic.

Moo

 

[schooling]

It's getting more and more clear that AT and her team are , IMO, going to put Xana, Kaylee, Maddie, DM and BF on trial through their questioning of DM, BF, and everyone at the scene that morning. How many guys slept over there? How many did you recognize? How many after parties did you wake up to? Did you know everyone's name? Was it common to have strangers in the house? Was this the first time you saw Xana pass out? Did guys go up and down those stairs to KG and MM's room? Did you know all of them.

Things are going to get ugly.

MOO

 

[gremlin444]

The defense intends to call Brent Turvey to argue that multiple offenders were responsible for the murders. Let’s just say that he’s not exactly the most reliable witness, as he will testify to anything you want him to.

He likely struck KG with his fist or the butt of the knife, which would explain the differing injuries.

And of course there was no cleaning.

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https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...RE+Vague+and+Undisclosed+Expert+Testimony.pdf

<modsnip: Sorry, attachment was inadvertantly snipped, but we couldn't get it back >

I look forward to hearing just HOW Turvey has come to the conclusion that Xana and Ethan were attacked at the same time. Because one person can't go back and forth between two victims? Because a murderer can't use a threat of violence to one victim to control the other victim? *insert eye roll*

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Steve G (Kaylee’s Dad) was interviewed last night. A couple things of note, which would be huge if true:

He talks about the late 911 call being a blessing, as Kohberger was searching online about the murders before they were even reported.

Kohberger also (allegedly) demonstrated knowledge of the crime before things were made public, and even prior to the murders themselves.

He also says that one of Kohberger's sisters was really helpful, while the rest of the family wasn't.

If the thing about the internet searches is true (looking up the murders before they were reported), then this would be second only to the DNA in terms of importance.

“He talks about the late 911 call being a blessing, as Kohberger was searching online about the murders before they were even reported.”

Wow!
This….in the technical parlance of true crime….is a biggie!

 

[MassGuy]

I look forward to hearing just HOW Turvey has come to the conclusion that Xana and Ethan were attacked at the same time. Because one person can't go back and forth between two victims? Because a murderer can't use a threat of violence to one victim to control the other victim? *insert eye roll*

Exactly. And it’s entirely possible Ethan was passed out drunk at the time, or simply so intoxicated he couldn’t put up a fight.

Attacks Xana, moves on to Ethan, and perhaps goes back to Xana.

 

[Miss Poovy]

If you have a crystal ball, what is your projection of the length of this trial? Sort of, DUH, but now with the more exacting details becoming public, I can’t image what it is going to be like for the families to hear. Especially considering if AT & Co give a vigorous defense. All of this comes to mind watching the Friday testimony of the Karen Read trial. (I haven’t followed this case, just had the TV on as they aggressively questioned the EMT guy about the wording of “last words” v. “conversation”.)

 

[Megnut]

Appreciate this whole post,

I can’t understand this as a compulsion or need though, because I’m not a psychologist or neuroscientist and I get hung up on this stuff and ruminate on it. My fear is that descriptions like this take the blame away from the perp and put it in the hands of a voice that can’t be controlled. I am stretching , surely likely misunderstanding.

From above ..
“I think he had this compulsion, this need, this necessity to do it, and he’s probably always wanted to do it. And finally said, ‘F– it, I’m going to do it,’” he said.

Spitballing

I don’t believe there is a force beyond his own desire to do this , by his actions- believe he chose it, planned it, executed it and covered his tracks as perfectly as he could to live to do it over and over.

For me, it's not about removing his agency as much as explaining his actions.

He made free choices his whole life. He didn't "have to" buy a knife. He managed not to for decades.

The article, and quotes from experts, drives it home for me -- BK gave up behaving within the bounds of civilized society. In the sane way a maniac drives into a crowd of parade goers. BK decided the rules didn't apply to him.

Was he miffed by the University's evaluation of him? Did he feel slighted by a woman, all women? Decided this was a good way to make everyone pay for his lack of recent success? Remember how he started giving high grades to everyone ? (Was that before or just sfter the crimes?) No one tells BK he's wrong. Besides he was apparently focused on his new pet project, whether in preparation or post clean-up. Time-consuming.

When that professor set up the TA-student symposium, surely she expected BK to behave like an ADULT. A professional. To be able to take criticism. Defend what needed defending (like academic standards) but respond in a way that is receptive, diplomatic, constructive.

She didn't know BK decided to resolve his conflicts with a Kbar.

Just as easily IMO he could have gone postal on campus from criticism alone. But truly, I think there's a sexual component at play here -- college house with single women. Who were in bed. Bundy 2.0.

Right and wrong. BK is fully aware of what's expected of him. He also IMO has his own code. Rigid code. HIS right and wrong. Like a guy who gets cut off on the road, who has no problem cutting other drivers off, but cut him off? He'll respond with a baseball bat.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

What time did BK drive away from 1122 on the morning of, on his revisit?

Where did he go from there, before going home for his beaming selfie?

Did it appear that people were waking up at 1122?

He probably just couldn't resist. Couldn't believe it hadn't hit the news so he drove over there.... waited until he saw movement..

JMO

 

[Megnut]

If you have a crystal ball, what is your projection of the length of this trial? Sort of, DUH, but now with the more exacting details becoming public, I can’t image what it is going to be like for the families to hear. Especially considering if AT & Co give a vigorous defense. All of this comes to mind watching the Friday testimony of the Karen Read trial. (I haven’t followed this case, just had the TV on as they aggressively questioned the EMT guy about the wording of “last words” v. “conversation”.)

It's scheduled for 6 weeks for the trial and 6 weeks for the penalty phase.

JMO