4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[Boxer]

He probably needed to stay home and sleep. Would be interesting to know, and we may learn, how much time he spent at home between midnight Friday night and 8 am Monday morning. I think the day before, kept him awake, anticipating what he was going to do, maybe even doing a test run, the excitement of it all, like a kid who can't sleep on Christmas Eve. I bet there was very little time at home, for sleep that weekend, either before or after the killigs, and when he was home, he was probably glued to a tv or computer/phone, trying to find any and all coverage of the murders. That missing sheath probably kept him awake too. JMO

MOO Stay home and gloat.

 

[Cool Cats]

???

What is this about BK's mother's influence?

She wouldn't let him plead guilty?

But she doesn't want a DP sentence which a trial will likely amount to.

Where is the source for this?

 

[SteveP]

If BK wrapped the knife in, say, a t-shirt, abd that's what DM identified as "like a handheld vacuum, he might not have been aware he didn't have the sheath. The knife would have been very bloody, the sheath was probably far from his mind, more concerned with getting the H out of there.

Once outside, in stripping out of his killsuit, he still might not have been thinking about the sheath. Wrapping the t-shirt, knife, coveralls into a tight ball, throwing it into his killbag and into the lined trunk, then discarded in the forest/river. I'd love to see his face the moment he realized he left it behind, LE had it, and he'd left it behind.

Except I reaaaaaaaaally don't want to see his face.

He scares me.

JMO

JMO

You may be right. I do believe it is likely that he wrapped the knife in a tee shirt or towel or something to avoid leaving a trail of blood back to his car. I also believe that he probably did not miss the sheath immediately, but I think by the time he got wherever he was going to get his stuff out of his car, he probably realized he didn't have it. Just grabbing the knife through a towel or such, he would likely have been able to feel the sheath was missing. I believe there is no way he did not want to take one last look at the knife before burying it or tossing it into the river or pond, and he certainly would have known by then. Like you, I would love to have seen his face the moment he realized he left it behind.

I also have not completely ruled out that at least part of the reason for the trip back to the murder scene at 9am may have been to see if he could spot it lying around wherever he got out of his killing attire, and retrieve it before police arrived. JMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

He probably needed to stay home and sleep. Would be interesting to know, and we may learn, how much time he spent at home between midnight Friday night and 8 am Monday morning. I think the day before, kept him awake, anticipating what he was going to do, maybe even doing a test run, the excitement of it all, like a kid who can't sleep on Christmas Eve. I bet there was very little time at home, for sleep that weekend, either before or after the killigs, and when he was home, he was probably glued to a tv or computer/phone, trying to find any and all coverage of the murders. That missing sheath probably kept him awake too. JMO

And let us not forget IIUC that sometime in that period BK had time for that IMO self-aggrandizing ‘thumbs-up’ selfie. Wonder if that was before the realization about the sheath? MOO

 

[Arkay]

Of course, BK's DNA was transferred to the sheath. That's how it got there. And he's not only the obvious one who transferred it there, the evidence bears it out.

I echo your “of course.”

IMO there is no mystery; nothing confounding.

A knife does not have inherent DNA. Of course.

It had to be transferred by a being who did have DNA, and it was.

That person is Bryan Kohberger, according to the science.

JMO (but also the facts that have been revealed).

 

[wendy44]

We need to be very careful in regards to the veracity of what SG is saying. We don't know where he is sourcing his information, and if the people who gave him this information are reliable. It's a game of telephone, and things tend to get lost in translation.

Yes--there was a lot of "I heard" in this interview.

 

[Warwick7]

???

What is this about BK's mother's influence?

She wouldn't let him plead guilty?

But she doesn't want a DP sentence which a trial will likely amount to.

Where is the source for this?

Bombshell Claim: Bryan Kohberger’s Mom Secretly Torpedoes Defense

CRIME Stories with Nancy Grace

www.crimeonline.com

 

[Kudzuu]

This is like over 3 hours long.

I watched his new one and was annoyed that he talked to much and got their names wrong. C'mon you're the expert here.

But the 3d layout helps a lot.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

It's sad to listen to some of the details of the interview with SG, but it did confirm a lot of things I had questioned early on. Shovel found in truck (small one, not one for shoveling snow, LE believes he buried evidence), planned this crime earlier than thought, maybe even beginning in PA. BK collaborated with the Prof at DeSales on her book about BTK? WTH?? I wish we knew for sure if she was going to be called as a witness.

Horrible to listen to Steve say Kaylee was punched in the face along with her stab wounds. It makes sense considering she would have woken up during his attack on Maddie.

So glad to know that the FBI was doing a parallel investigation and seemed confident that this is one of the strongest cases with a largest amount of evidence. It sounds like the FBI and State both could have tried this case, but I agree that it was right to be kept by Moscow PD with the FBI waiting in the wings IF something crazy happened at trial.

BK will never be a free man again. Maybe some of what was revealed will cause the ProBergers to stop and think, but overall, did SG reveal too much? He said he had to stay within certain confines of the gag order, but this was a lot of new information.

The Internet Cranks should listen to this and realize the damage they do when they intentionally float an irrational, nonsensical contradictory narrative for click$$$$ and likes$$$$. These are innocent victims, with grieving families and loved ones left behind to process what is unimaginable IMO.

I felt BK was evil from the start and planned on pulling a 'make me famous' type crime. It sounds like he was working up to it as early as Jan 2022. Did the study on BTK trigger this or had he already have it planned from before his study at DeSales?? I think there will be some evidence presented that shows prior violent tendencies, like his reported assault/confrontation on the girl in his HS class. It had to have been serious enough for them to move him to an all male HVAC class. It sounds like BK visited violent, s e x u a l p o r n sites also.

Just Wow, is all I can say and I'm only 2/3 of the way through.

A lot to process here.

JMO

Yes I think the study of BTK may have had a bearing on this. And definitely began planning something while at DeSales.
So Katherine Ramsland called BK's parents after his arrest to provide support to them.
Reportedly BK was VERY excited that she did so.
I just have to wonder if he, thinking he is brilliant, wanted to plan serial murders in order to to provoke KR to unwittingly write a book about his crimes. Never planning on getting caught, of course. Just a thought. Motive is so elusive at times.
JMO.

 

[SteveP]

I watched his new one and was annoyed that he talked to much and got their names wrong. C'mon you're the expert here.

But the 3d layout helps a lot.

I usually speed him up to 1.5 or even 1.75. You can still see everything and understand what is being said, it just doesn't take so long. He usually has great info, but the length of his streams often exceed the length of my attention span. JMO

 

[Kudzuu]

I usually speed him up to 1.5 or even 1.75. You can still see everything and understand what is being said, it just doesn't take so long. He usually has great info, but the length of his streams often exceed the length of my attention span. JMO

Thx for the tip!

 

[jepop]

???

What is this about BK's mother's influence?

She wouldn't let him plead guilty?

But she doesn't want a DP sentence which a trial will likely amount to.

Where is the source for this?

Jmo. It's a rehash of Blum's assertions. He wrote a report for the Daily Mail last week. Blum's so called sources 'close to the family' or similar. Blum should have left BK's mother alone instead of making up sensational bs for a paycheck from the DFail so they can write their inflammatory and semi libellous headlines and make life for BK's parents even more hellish than it already must be.

Blum has already upset the Goncalves and the Chapins by attributing statements to them which were false/ fabricated. Google keywords and msm reports will come up re the Chapins and Goncalves getting stuck into Blum. But the ramifications for BK's parents have the potential to be scary moo, unlike the Chapins and Goncalves. There are unhinged people out there who will probably send the mum hate mail. Maybe she will be harassed in public.

And now it seems some tabloids are rerouting Blum's Daily Mail efforts. Well done Blum.

 

[sripey]

Yes I think the study of BTK may have had a bearing on this. And definitely began planning something while at DeSales.
So Katherine Ramsland called BK's parents after his arrest to provide support to them.
Reportedly BK was VERY excited that she did so.
I just have to wonder if he, thinking he is brilliant, wanted to plan serial murders in order to to provoke KR to unwittingly write a book about his crimes. Never planning on getting caught, of course. Just a thought. Motive is so elusive at times.
JMO.

RBBM

Somehow I completely missed any news reports regarded the above bolded sentences. Is this something Blum said? I just can't imagine Ramsland contacting BK's parents for any reason at this stage.

 

[Warwick7]

Yes I think the study of BTK may have had a bearing on this. And definitely began planning something while at DeSales.
So Katherine Ramsland called BK's parents after his arrest to provide support to them.
Reportedly BK was VERY excited that she did so.
I just have to wonder if he, thinking he is brilliant, wanted to plan serial murders in order to to provoke KR to unwittingly write a book about his crimes. Never planning on getting caught, of course. Just a thought. Motive is so elusive at times.
JMO.

Katherine Ramsland called BK's parents after his arrest to provide support to them. Reportedly BK was VERY excited that she did so?

How do we know this? Did I miss something?

 

[Megnut]

Old article but some interesting overlap --

BTK --- KatherineRamsland --- BK

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger studied under expert on serial killer BTK; daughter 'sick' at news

The Pennsylvania man accused of killing four University of Idaho college students in November is a criminal justice Ph.D. candidate who studied under a leading expert on serial killer Dennis Rader, known as the BTK Killer.

www.fox13seattle.com

 

[Boxer]

You may be right. I do believe it is likely that he wrapped the knife in a tee shirt or towel or something to avoid leaving a trail of blood back to his car. I also believe that he probably did not miss the sheath immediately, but I think by the time he got wherever he was going to get his stuff out of his car, he probably realized he didn't have it. Just grabbing the knife through a towel or such, he would likely have been able to feel the sheath was missing. I believe there is no way he did not want to take one last look at the knife before burying it or tossing it into the river or pond, and he certainly would have known by then. Like you, I would love to have seen his face the moment he realized he left it behind.

I also have not completely ruled out that at least part of the reason for the trip back to the murder scene at 9am may have been to see if he could spot it lying around wherever he got out of his killing attire, and retrieve it before police arrived. JMO

Hadn't thought of that before,
that sounds very likely.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

He could have even put the knife in one of those cylindrical plastic tubes that LE use to contain a knife removed from a crime scene, then it really would have looked like a handheld vacuum cleaner. It's unlikely his 'immaculate plan' (my speculation) would have involved pushing a used and blooded and soiled knife back into a sheath. What would be the point of even attempting to put the knife back in the sheath - it would be messy and just another item with 'proof' of the crime on it?

His only goal would be to remove the used knife with as little trail and trace of it as possible. Far more sensible to leave the sheath behind maybe?

Perhaps he really did discard the sheath when he took out the knife assuming it was completely free of any of his DNA or fibres and that he would never touch it again, that the used knife would not be returned into the sheath. Also to throw the scent - that it could have been a military personnel or hunter perpetrator and not a staunch vegan bookish university academic.

JMO MOO

 

[New Penny]

He could have even put the knife in one of those cylindrical plastic tubes that LE use to contain a knife removed from a crime scene, then it really would have looked like a handheld vacuum cleaner. It's unlikely his 'immaculate plan' (my speculation) would have involved pushing a used and blooded and soiled knife back into a sheath. What would be the point of even attempting to put the knife back in the sheath - it would be messy and just another item with 'proof' of the crime on it?

His only goal would be to remove the used knife with as little trail and trace of it as possible. Far more sensible to leave the sheath behind maybe?

Perhaps he really did discard the sheath when he took out the knife assuming it was completely free of any of his DNA or fibres and that he would never touch it again, that the used knife would not be returned into the sheath. Also to throw the scent - that it could have been a military personnel or hunter perpetrator and not a staunch vegan bookish university academic.

JMO MOO

I’m beginning to wonder if BK found out about the knife sheath at the same time as the rest of the world!!??

He could very well have stripped off all his clothes in great haste and frenzy before getting in his car, rolling everything up (in afore-mentioned shower curtain) and tossing the bundle in his trunk to be disposed of on his way back home with no reason to believe it was missing.

Then of course congratulating and memorializing himself in that sickening selfie. Little did he know…

 

[Chloegirl]

He could have even put the knife in one of those cylindrical plastic tubes that LE use to contain a knife removed from a crime scene, then it really would have looked like a handheld vacuum cleaner. It's unlikely his 'immaculate plan' (my speculation) would have involved pushing a used and blooded and soiled knife back into a sheath. What would be the point of even attempting to put the knife back in the sheath - it would be messy and just another item with 'proof' of the crime on it?

His only goal would be to remove the used knife with as little trail and trace of it as possible. Far more sensible to leave the sheath behind maybe?

Perhaps he really did discard the sheath when he took out the knife assuming it was completely free of any of his DNA or fibres and that he would never touch it again, that the used knife would not be returned into the sheath. Also to throw the scent - that it could have been a military personnel or hunter perpetrator and not a staunch vegan bookish university academic.

JMO MOO

Have an example sold on say Amazon for reference here? I would be interested to visualize this. TIA

 

[Chloegirl]

Katherine Ramsland called BK's parents after his arrest to provide support to them. Reportedly BK was VERY excited that she did so?

How do we know this? Did I miss something?

The entire world was judging them. This olive branch, while good gestured, would also keep communication open in case of book collab options later. Oh my! JMOO