4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[detectivewannab]

After Albertson's, BK's phone is off for 5 hours. Except for 4 minutes when he turns it back on. Documents say it was using a "tower consistent with" earlier on the day, right after the murders.

Did BK return to his killkit disposal area? Did it occur to him that he lost track of the sheath? What was so important that he turned his phone back on?

I can't wait until the full CAST report hits the courtroom!

JMO

I think he was listening to the police radio.

 

[detectivewannab]

I am not a mental health expert, but to me, a punch to the face of Kaylee is even more telling than stabbing her. Imo, that just screams hatred for women. JMO

She was not supose to be there and she was fighting him.

 

[Cool Cats]

In reply to another OP question about inmates receiving/sending mail from previous thread:

Inmates have the right to send and receive mail while incarcerated, as protected by the First Amendment. Under the First Amendment, U.S. citizens have the right to the freedom of speech. Freedom of speech includes the right to read books and magazines, the right to call or write to your family and friends, the right to criticize government or state officials, and much more. The rules of this amendment apply to inmates, however, censorship regulations exist for those who have been incarcerated.

Pelipost

Their incoming and outgoing is heavily censored, with the exception of Privileged Legal Mail.
Also, no talk violence, drugs, gang related matters, nudity, etc. are allowed.

JMO

There was information posted a long time ago that BK's mail is first routed to his attorneys who weed out death threats and such, then he gets his mail but the jail still has to check the mail for contraband, especially drugs.

All mail sent to the Ada County Jail will be scanned and delivered digitally beginning in April (2023)​

All mail sent to the Ada County Jail will go to an offsite location and electronically scanned. Imates will then get a digital copy of their mail, sent through their Viapath Technology account, which they will be able to read on the tablets and video kiosks in their housing area.

 

[jepop]

I am not a mental health expert, but to me, a punch to the face of Kaylee is even more telling than stabbing her. Imo, that just screams hatred for women. JMO

I think I know what you mean. It's very brutal in a different way, maybe because of the direct contact. It screams viciousness. Jmo

 

[Sachi]

Ok. THATS what he was talking about! I even turned on the captions to understand what he was saying. Thank you @Megnut for catching that.

Didn’t watch - at work but this Makes total sense and DM’s description of when she ran down the stairs … everything - the texts it all lined up . And as SG mentioned in an interview posted be MassGuy 2 weeks ago - the tools that the FBI uses are so sophisticated and far beyond what we are aware of, perhaps those tools helped with this? Thanks Megnut and Warwick

 

[Warwick7]

Cell phones can't do this - track a person's movements in a house. The victims would have had to be recording themselves to get that kind of detail.....or use a fitness app that counts steps. Their texting back and forth has provided more details on their movements depending on what they actually said in the texts.

2 Cents

I just googled it. There are 4, 5 articles saying yes they can track your steps.
Murdaugh's cell did.
Liberty German's cell did.

 

[Justice101]

I just googled it. There are 4, 5 articles saying yes they can track your steps.
Murdaugh's cell did.
Liberty German's cell did.

yes, direction and coordinates as well as elevation in like 10 ft increments

 

[Melsworld]

I just googled it. There are 4, 5 articles saying yes they can track your steps.
Murdaugh's cell did.
Liberty German's cell did.

My iPhone & watch track my steps & location. When I am at work I can use "find friends" to see if my husband is out working in the yard or in the house (and even what area of the house). It isn't always accurate but it's really good for the most part. Oh, and we have a very small lot; it's less than 3 quarters of an acre.

 

[Cool Cats]

I just googled it. There are 4, 5 articles saying yes they can track your steps.
Murdaugh's cell did.
Liberty German's cell did.

I said in my post that using a fitness app can count your steps. I believe I would have to activate an app to have my phone count my steps.

But the app is not going to show where in the house they were taking those steps. The 2 witnesses can clarify that without digital proof at every turn. Sometimes ya just gotta believe what a witness says.

2 Cents

 

[Ghostwheel]

Cell phones can't do this - track a person's movements in a house. The victims would have had to be recording themselves to get that kind of detail.....or use a fitness app that counts steps. Their texting back and forth has provided more details on their movements depending on what they actually said in the texts.

2 Cents

Ah, but yes it can depending on what you have on it and how you are connected. My Samsung came with a "Health" app which will do this. I disabled it, but most people wouldn't notice or care that the app is there. Samsung does not allow you to uninstall it. (at least mine doesn't, best I can do is disable). Maps can do this. Google can do this. If you share your location with certain apps, it can track exactly what you are doing. They want to know that you went from store A to store B and you were at a mall. Or that you went from the gym to Jamba juice next door. Location knows if you were in the front of your house or back of your house. Now, how granular that might be depends on what app you have installed and what is available for data collection. But yes, your phone most certainly can track your movements, even in a house. It doesn't know "house" from a hill of beans.

ETA: If you have GPS enabled, it can track inside a house depending on the GPS coverage and house. Everything is relative to the situation.

Some information about it, but not all.

https://www.cyber.nj.gov/guidance-and-best-practices/device-security/user-beware-your-smartphone-is-tracking-your-every-move

How the Federal Government Buys Our Cell Phone Location Data

Over the past few years, data brokers and federal military, intelligence, and law enforcement agencies have formed a vast, secretive partnership to surveil the movements of millions of people. Many of the mobile apps on our cell phones track our movements with great precision and frequency. Data...

www.eff.org

 

[Cool Cats]

Ah, but yes it can depending on what you have on it and how you are connected. My Samsung came with a "Health" app which will do this. I disabled it, but most people wouldn't notice or care that the app is there. Samsung does not allow you to uninstall it. (at least mine doesn't, best I can do is disable). Maps can do this. Google cam do this. If you share your location with certain apps, it can track exactly what you are doing. They want to know that you went from store A to store B and you were at a mall. Or that you went from the gym to Jamba juice next door. Location knows if you were in the front of your house or back of your house. Now, how granular that might be depends on what app you have installed and what is available for data collection. But yes, your phone most certainly can track your movements, even in a house. It doesn't know "house" from a hill of beans.

Some information about it, but not all.

https://www.cyber.nj.gov/guidance-and-best-practices/device-security/user-beware-your-smartphone-is-tracking-your-every-move

How the Federal Government Buys Our Cell Phone Location Data

Over the past few years, data brokers and federal military, intelligence, and law enforcement agencies have formed a vast, secretive partnership to surveil the movements of millions of people. Many of the mobile apps on our cell phones track our movements with great precision and frequency. Data...

www.eff.org

Cannot track where you are walking in your house. The 2 witnesses can tell LE where exactly they were in the house.

2 Cents

 

[Warwick7]

yes, direction and coordinates as well as elevation in like 10 ft increments

Very awesome!!

 

[Ghostwheel]

Cannot track where you are walking in your house. The 2 witnesses can tell LE where exactly they were in the house.

2 Cents

We can agree to disagree, with respect. I have seen data that tells me different. And sure the witnesses can say what they remember. It might be handy to have a backup that shows at x time, the phone went from point DM's room to point BFs room, further solidifying times.

But what about those who cannot speak? Perhaps Xana's phone can tell us she went from the kitchen area to her bedroom. Or maybe give an approximation of her travel path and it might be useful in some way.

One doesn't mean the other is useless or not needed. Witnesses and tech can both be useful.

 

[Cool Cats]

We can agree to disagree, with respect. I have seen data that tells me different. And sure the witnesses can say what they remember. It might be handy to have a backup that shows at x time, the phone went from point DM's room to point BFs room, further solidifying times.

But what about those who cannot speak? Perhaps Xana's phone can tell us she went from the kitchen area to her bedroom. Or maybe give an approximation of her travel path and it might be useful in some way.

One doesn't mean the other is useless or not needed. Witnesses and tech can both be useful.

So I'm in my house with cell phone on and step fitness app on. LE looks at my phone data and sees what cell tower my phone pinged off of and how many steps I took - maybe tells the time - but not where I am in my house. This calls for video evidence showing me on camera.

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[Ghostwheel]

Cannot track where you are walking in your house. The 2 witnesses can tell LE where exactly they were in the house.

So I'm in my house with cell phone on and step fitness app on. LE looks at my phone data and sees what cell tower my phone pinged off of and how many steps I took - maybe tells the time - but not where I am in my house. This calls for video evidence showing me on camera.

2 Cents

It's not just cell tower information. It is GPS information. All Most phone come with GPS turned on. You want it off, you have to turn it off. People can find their cellphones this way. You certainly can't find one based on tower pings.

Edited from All to Most. I was thinking of smart phone specific, but there are others without GPS.

 

[katydid23]

If the defense expert that is apparently going to insist that two people participated in the murders, and is going to suggest that more than one weapon was used, is going to base it partly on the report that Kaylee suffered a broken nose, that expert will be completely dissed by the jury, as common sense would tell most people that a man the size and build of BK, who was trained in boxing, could easily have broken Kaylee's nose with one punch to the face. And if we learn that there were more punches to KG, or punches to other victims, XK most likely, that changes nothing, as it pertains to his argument. With the condition his victims were in, BK's fist more than qualified as a weapon. JMO

Especially since BK was essentially fighting two victims at a time. If you are physically fighting with 2 people at one time, using a knife, you may need to punch or kick one of them quickly, in between stabs. That does not have to mean it was 2 attackers. IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

It's not just cell tower information. It is GPS information. All Most phone come with GPS turned on. You want it off, you have to turn it off. People can find their cellphones this way. You certainly can't find one based on tower pings.

Edited from All to Most. I was thinking of smart phone specific, but there are others without GPS.

I think we need to rely more on the witnesses' testimony of where they were that night. I do not believe any digital evidence will show where in the house they were. Perhaps general location of that neighborhood but not whose bedroom or bathroom they were in or which set of steps they climbed up.

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[katydid23]

So I'm in my house with cell phone on and step fitness app on. LE looks at my phone data and sees what cell tower my phone pinged off of and how many steps I took - maybe tells the time - but not where I am in my house. This calls for video evidence showing me on camera.

2 Cents

But with the fitness apps you might be able to tell the difference between Xana walking around in her room vs her walking into the kitchen or to the slider? Her room is small so a lot of steps in a row could show she was walking out of the room somewhere? Maybe?

And the Delphi fitness app records showed if they were walking UP a hill vs flat, etc---so maybe they could tell if Xana ever went up or down the stairs?

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Especially since BK was essentially fighting two victims at a time. If you are physically fighting with 2 people at one time, using a knife, you may need to punch or kick one of them quickly, in between stabs. That does not have to mean it was 2 attackers. IMO

Right? And even if they could manage to convince a jury that there were 2 attackers (which I dont believe there were, or that they can), it doesn't mean BK wasn't one of them! It doesn't save him, it just means that they need to find the other suspect and convict them too!.

 

[Cool Cats]

But with the fitness apps you might be able to tell the difference between Xana walking around in her room vs her walking into the kitchen or to the slider? Her room is small so a lot of steps in a row could show she was walking out of the room somewhere? Maybe?

And the Delphi fitness app records showed if they were walking UP a hill vs flat, etc---so maybe they could tell if Xana ever went up or down the stairs?

If you look at new motions filed it looks clear to me that the only information the court has on their movements is from their text messages and their own testimony. Never says they were digitally tracked room to room in any way.... 2 Cents