4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[Megnut]

We do know that he killed. And killed again. And again. And again. Without qualms.

That's a special kind of evil.

Evil psychopathic sociopathic murdering killer.

Yes, AT, I'm using all the words.

JMO

 

[jepop]

Man, this part of the story is all over the place, believe me. And it doesn't help that a lot of media doesn't bother to make corrections or do verification, so they just echo the same false info even now.

Turns out it was like ye olde telephone game.

QUOTES FROM DAD
So, here's the original interview with Dad on Nov 17, 2002 that is the source for other articles.

‘She’s a tough kid’: Avondale father says University of Idaho student killed fought her attacker

The father is now struggling to understand how this could have happened.

www.azfamily.com

(quoted in University of Idaho victim's father says Xana Kernodle had 'bruises,' put up a fight against killer and other articles)

point 1--Dad talks about the front door having a keypad (which you can see in this image Getty Images)

"The door locks with a number code. Every time you go, you have to go around the house because of the number code so they [meaning the killer] either knew that or went around and maybe found the slider door open,"

point 2-- a bit later in the interview XK's dad talks about visiting her and his impression of her:

"And she, really, when I went up there she, I saw her just a week before that and she changed a lot. She had a life. She got to see what it was like to have a boyfriend you live with. And she really turned around. She was really responsible. Helping him out with his studies and stuff. I was really impressed"

MISUNDERSTANDING BY MOM

At the beginning of December, XK'S mom was interviewed by Banfield by telephone.

"Northington says she believes the kids in the house were targeted, as opposed to the house itself. She also revealed that Xana may have had a lock on her bedroom door. Apparently, one weekend before the murder, Xana’s dad, Jeffrey Kernodle, was at the house to replace or fix locks. It’s unclear which locks he worked on."

Mother of slain Idaho student speaks for the first time

“I believe wholeheartedly that it was those kids who were targeted,” said Cara Northington, mother of Idaho Four victim Xana Kernodle.

www.newsnationnow.com

And media jumped on that and ran with it.

Since Jeff Kernodle didn't do any other interviews until Sept of 2023, what Xana's mom said was never checked or refuted. Keep in mind, Xana and her dad were not close with mom.

Thanks for making that clear and understandable! I forgot that Banefield was also mixed up in the misunderstanding and uncorrected reporting. Makes more sense to me now knowing she was in the equation. Ughh. Jmo

 

[gremlin444]

His adrenaline would have been so ramped up and maybe he was using some sort of substance. I don't know why LE don't go down that route, maybe they feel it's unnecessary but there are people who perpetrate extraordinary feats of strength under the influence.

I wouldn't assume that LE hasn't checked that out. It's not likely something we'd be seeing in any of the court documents. While they obviously wouldn't be able to know from testing if he specifically was on something that night, hair testing would show if he had taken anything recently.

 

[gremlin444]

Stumbled across this article from the beginning of Jan 2023 that interviews BK's grad school classmates at WSU.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/wsu-students-kohberger-spoke-up-in-class-except-when-moscow-killings-were-the-topic/

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Re BK's motivation, I'm wondering how far down the line it went with attracting and maintaining the attention of his tutor / mentor?

There's an old psychopath conundrum about 'why did she murder her sister?' people may know of, it goes something like this:

Whilst attending the funeral of her mother, a young woman saw a handsome man.
The following week she killed her sister. Why?

The answer is in the hope that she could get to see the guy again.

Perhaps BK intuitively or subconsciously knew that if he wanted to sustain the intense interest of someone attractive and intelligent like his tutor / mentor he would need to be one of their subjects?
Perhaps the fact that society at large and experts have a fascination and intrigue with psychological dramas and thrillers and serial killers meant that someone with low or missing empathy sees it as a form of becoming 'famous' and notorious. Maybe they even think it makes certain types of people obsess over them and scrutinize them to the point it's a psychopath x narcissists fantasy? Plus they get to check out of society and mainstream life that they're not cut out for.

JMO MOO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I think that would have most likely leaked if they did, MO

And AT couldn't stand up in court and say he had never been in the house if they had concrete proof that he had. JMO

 

[Arkay]

And AT couldn't stand up in court and say he had never been in the house if they had concrete proof that he had. JMO

Thank you, @Rolypolyoly.

Your post reminded me of a comment I meant to make weeks ago, but had entirely forgotten.

With respect to the opinion of the original poster, who pondered that common sense would dictate that the girls must have had a Ring camera for security….

IMO it would’ve been so helpful, and that’s why I feel certain they did not have one.

As you said, that would’ve been concrete proof that Bryan had been in the house.

Had there been a Ring camera or any other type of surveillance, IMO Bryan’s picture from the recording would’ve been posted everywhere, in typical “Wanted”or “Do You Recognize This Person?” posters. Also it would be on local news.

In which case, maybe his face would be unfamiliar around Moscow, but in Pullman and at his college, he’d be recognized by professors, peers, his TA students, the Korean girl who was his friend, perhaps wait staff at restaurants he frequented, and so forth.

I do hope that going forward, other students learn from this tragedy that surveillance is unfortunately a necessity now.

That, and impenetrable locks on any type of entrance, especially a sliding door.

The best case scenario, of course, would have been if the motion detector had shown this stranger trying to get in. As Xana was awake, maybe none of this would have even happened.

I’m certainly not blaming the victims, but I am indulging in hindsight and wishful thinking.

JMO

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Thanks!

@Kudzuu, thank you and @LinasK for posting, and NBC, thank you for opening this to public who don’t have Peacock or couldn’t watch on Friday! I learned so much — good to hear first hand what many of you had already generously summarized and posted.

PS — ADDED: Gisela K. in her introductory remarks for this episode of Grizzly True Crime states the recent Idaho Dateline should be out as a podcast in about a week if you still haven’t been able to access the program.

In this episode Gisela goes over new information revealed by Dateline.

 

[Sundog]

I wouldn't assume that LE hasn't checked that out. It's not likely something we'd be seeing in any of the court documents. While they obviously wouldn't be able to know from testing if he specifically was on something that night, hair testing would show if he had taken anything recently.

Can they do hairtesting without a warrant?

 

[girlhasnoname]

1:39.34.

AT: I've got this sheath. But I've got all these other things.

So, so many things...


1:40:48. Judge Hippler: his DNA is still on the sheath, that's the problem, Counselor.

Oh, how I love to watch a lopsided debate!

JMO

And the incredible shrinking BK. Sheesh, what an obvious move by the Defense, along with his much more casual dressing verses his suits/ties from the early hearings. Trying to make BK look less imposing IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I was just shocked by how fast he drove away. I know they said it was a high rate of speed, but I was not expecting what I saw.

Right, and wasn't there pictures early on of CSI looking at skid marks at the scene?

 

[girlhasnoname]

From the latest episode on Dateline, they claim BK made his first pass by the home of the murders after a pool party he had attended. His neighbor was DJ-ing and invited him. BK supposedly made a few females there very uncomfortable, and dominated conversation with the DJ while he was trying to, well, DJ - his job. Read the room dude, or pool in this case.

BK was following friends of Maddie, Kaylee and Xana on SM so he would have been able to see posts that included them IMO. He targeted that home, and one or more of those girls. It appears to be Maddie and they suggested BK did go upstairs first.

It's so telling to me that BK gave such off-putting vibes as to alert young women at the pool party in a short amount of time. It's the internal gut instinct I believe some have that something is just not right.

He was obsessed with Ted Bundy, (not a coincidence IMO), goggling him before, during and after the murders.

JMO

 

[Jw192]

Re connection to the victims - Now that we know he was following friends/mates of some of the victims, he will have very likely have looked at the social medias of the girls, insta and tiktok. Were their social medias open or private? Also, just because he wasn't following them at the time he became under the spotlight, doesn't mean that he wasn't following them at some point. I checked and there's no sure fire way of LE determining if someone has followed someone in the past and simply unfollowed them (if they haven't interacted, like commented/liked etc...)
I believe that the connection was there, he was stalking at least one of the victims social medias, whether it be that the profiles were public or he had followed and simply unfollowed prior to the crime, knowing that it would sever the connection and leave no proof.

JMO

 

[micgems11]

Searches and selfies: Idaho college murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's online habits emerge in new details

Digital materials and documents obtained by "Dateline" track the suspect's movements before and after four University of Idaho students were killed in 2022.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[sar2them1984]

Hey all! Long time WSer here (although predominantly UK based thread) who had taken an extended hiatus from WS as it took up too much of my time lol.

So upon deciding to venture back on Ws, what do I do? Decide to look into this case and have now spent every available minute of the last 4 weeks reading every post of every 106 threads.. glutton for punishment!!

Do I think LE have the right guy? 100%
Do I think it's a slam dunk case? It's certainly heading that way although who knows what curve balls may be thrown.

On a side note. I hope LE never have any reason to check my Amazon clicks!

 

[Megnut]

From the latest episode on Dateline, they claim BK made his first pass by the home of the murders after a pool party he had attended. His neighbor was DJ-ing and invited him. BK supposedly made a few females there very uncomfortable, and dominated conversation with the DJ while he was trying to, well, DJ - his job. Read the room dude, or pool in this case.

BK was following friends of Maddie, Kaylee and Xana on SM so he would have been able to see posts that included them IMO. He targeted that home, and one or more of those girls. It appears to be Maddie and they suggested BK did go upstairs first.

It's so telling to me that BK gave such off-putting vibes as to alert young women at the pool party in a short amount of time. It's the internal gut instinct I believe some have that something is just not right.

He was obsessed with Ted Bundy, (not a coincidence IMO), goggling him before, during and after the murders.

JMO

This.

I happened to think BK is a practiced eavesdropper.

He started driving in the area of 112w King Road starting the night of the pool party, iirc. The pool party he got girl's phone numbers at, then abruptly left.

Somehow that party or those numbers led him to that address.

Predator.

JMO

 

[DizzyB]

Did BK see Dylan but choose not to attack because he had already removed his kill suit? I’m still on the fence as to whether or not he saw her.

I want to know what BK talked about for almost an hour on the phone with his family that morning. He doesn’t seem especially chatty, and that’s a long time.

 

[bugenjoyer]

Did BK see Dylan but choose not to attack because he had already removed his kill suit? I’m still on the fence as to whether or not he saw her.

I want to know what BK talked about for almost an hour on the phone with his family that morning. He doesn’t seem especially chatty, and that’s a long time.

Some people here suspect he has visual snow syndrome, i think because of some old posts he made on Reddit (i think), so that could be a reason why he didn't see DM even though she could clearly see him.

 

[QB2022]

MoO is that he was exhausted and by the time he registered seeing her he was already gone.

 

[SteveP]

Did BK see Dylan but choose not to attack because he had already removed his kill suit? I’m still on the fence as to whether or not he saw her.

I want to know what BK talked about for almost an hour on the phone with his family that morning. He doesn’t seem especially chatty, and that’s a long time.

He talked for considerably longer than an hour. He placed three calls to a phone in Pa, registered to his father, that morning. First call was placed at 6:17am, BK's time, literally two hours after leaving the King Road house, and lasted 36 minutes. There were two other calls, including the one that lasted 54 mins. I wonder if that was normal routine for him? I find it very hard to believe that three calls, lasting for that duration, at that time of day, did not register as unusual to his parents. I would love to know if he acted and sounded normal on those calls, or whether he seemed unusually excited or chatty. If not before, then certainly after some details of the murders began to come out, details such as time of murders, general appearance of suspect car, description of type of weapon used, one would think that whoever he talked to that morning would reflect back on those calls, with perhaps new concerns. No one wants to believe that one of their loved ones could be capable of such horrendous acts, but at some point, that had to cross their minds. We know it did for one sister, at least, and allegedly perhaps his father, as well. JMO