4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[gremlin444]

I agree, and also heard or read the same thing about Ballance being undercover. I’ll see if I can find it.

Actually, I remember that it was a news report that showed his face. I didn’t read details because I was so appalled they were outing him. I hope it was some AI hallucination.

I posted about it on May 7--his face is blocked from being shown in the Lori Daybell trial.

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May 7, 2025

Interesting. FBI CAST agent, Nick Ballance, will be testifying in the Lori Vallow trial in June. The prosecutor in that case is asking that video of his part of the trial not be live streamed because he is also involved in undercover work.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920212779585482752

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[jepop]

MOO I think misspeaking, MOO he meant the knife sheath.

But the knife itself would be major.

No, I really think he was talking about a knife. The context was safety in the court room. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

I just finished watching the hearing and not sure but that is what I took away from the final minute or two. Something about an order regarding retaining records and violations of the non- dissemination order and the appointment of a special prosecutor with the power to subpoena both LE and magistrates? He then handed something to prosecution table. Hippler them addressed AT and said he would be doing the same for the defense, and AT acknowledged that. ICBW.

Also, did anyone else notice at around timestamp 2.28 the discussion about how a state exhibit -a knife(!) - would be stored,?? I think the state may have the murder weapon.

I think this is simply the same model knife in question. They'd want the jury to understand how one man could do all of this, and the knife explains that.

I can't imagine they found the actual knife.

 

[jepop]

I think this is simply the same model knife in question. They'd want the jury to understand how one man could do all of this, and the knife explains that.

I can't imagine they found the actual knife.

Maybe a replacement knife BK purchased?. Would the prosecution really be allowed to enter a kbar for that purpose if it did not actually belong to the defendant,? Not prejudicial?

 

[SortaSleuthy]

I just received a description of the alternative suspect, as provided by BK.

Here it is:
“Uh, she is a girl with bushy eyebrows who doesn’t look anything like me. She has a white car that doesn’t look like my car. She has a big knife without a sheath. She isn’t me! She is mean. I am mild.”

 

[SteveP]

I think this is simply the same model knife in question. They'd want the jury to understand how one man could do all of this, and the knife explains that.

I can't imagine they found the actual knife.

I agree. The defense has filed motions to keep almost every piece of evidence the state has, out of the trial. There could be probably no single piece of evidence stronger than the actual murder weapon. If the state had THE knife used in the murders, it would have popped up in filings, to be sure. The knife in question is surely just a duplicate. JMO

 

[gremlin444]

Agree. I don't think it can be the Knife without more fanfare.

I would think that if they had found THE knife, we would have seen motions from the defense attempting to block it being used as evidence.

 

[Megnut]

So.... is AT going to concede that it's BK in the Elantra with his phone mysteriously off, doing laps with 300' of 1122 at precisely the time the murders happened to have occurred with a knife like he purchased once housed in a sheath which he handled but.... he never stopped, never entered 1122 King Road, just had incredibly poor luck star gazing that night while a couple of ne'er-do-wells ninjas from the neighborhood broke in, killing four young adults in about as many minutes with a single weapon, exiting in such precise single-file lockstep they looked like one person with double the brow?

Sesame Street called and they'd like Bert and Ernie back. SOSPDI. Some other sock puppet --

I have to hand it to AT -- she's tried everything.

JMO

 

[Jw192]

I agree. The defense has filed motions to keep almost every piece of evidence the state has, out of the trial. There could be probably no single piece of evidence stronger than the actual murder weapon. If the state had THE knife used in the murders, it would have popped up in filings, to be sure. The knife in question is surely just a duplicate. JMO

It's certainly got us all talking despite what knife it is

Goodness, I wouldn't like to be in the shoes of the numpty who leaked the goss to dateline

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

This is disgusting bad faith. jmo

Bryan Kohberger’s lawyers set to name ‘alternate suspect’ who they believe really committed Idaho murders

Kohberger faces the possibility of death by firing squad if he is convicted of the killings.

nypost.com

Kohberger’s attorneys have already informed the judge that they believe someone else is responsible for the pre-dawn stabbings at a student house in Moscow, Idaho — the “alternative perpetrator” theory, Judge Steven Hippler revealed.

Now the judge is telling lawyers to name the suspect and offer up “any actual evidence” they have against him.

He said what defense attorneys have offered so far was “fairly objectionable in terms of admissibility.”

 

[Jw192]

So.... is AT going to concede that it's BK in the Elantra with his phone mysteriously off, doing laps with 300' of 1122 at precisely the time the murders happened to have occurred with a knife like he purchased once housed in a sheath which he handled but.... he never stopped, never entered 1122 King Road, just had incredibly poor luck star gazing that night while a couple of ne'er-do-wells ninjas from the neighborhood broke in, killing four young adults in about as many minutes with a single weapon, exiting in such precise single-file lockstep they looked like one person with double the brow?

Sesame Street called and they'd like Bert and Ernie back. SOSPDI. Some other sock puppet --

I have to hand it to AT -- she's tried everything.

JMO

I reckon they're gonna try blame that dude who was shot not long after the crime, can't remember his name.

How, I dunno but there's whoppers on the tiktok who wear tin foil tiaras who have helped fuel that utter fantasy

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Agreed.
His looking for a new knife on Amazon because --he'd already tossed the murder weapon.
Etc.

And then that selfie with the shower background.....
Celebratory.
Sick bleep.

I do believe LE have him dead to rights, and I wouldn't be surprised if BK's defense knows this.

From the Dateline episode : Disagree with the defense saying that like (paraphrased), '...like a house of cards & if one falls the rest will tumble after'.
One wild card ('new' evidence) is not going to negate the other evidence; and this case isn't a flimsy house of cards.
Ridiculous.

I didn't care for the way the defense seized on the fact that the roommate said (about BK's photo) she didn't know who that was.
He had a balaclava on, and only his eyebrows stood out.
For her, seeing his entire face in a photo lineup would've been different, and in a way that can be used for the prosecutor's benefit, as Brian had never been to that house nor did he personally know anyone there !

It's going to be difficult for the two survivors to be on the stand as I fear the defense is going to attempt to debunk their testimony.

BK built a puzzle, with each interlocking piece adding to the final outcome.

And as far as his recent diagnosis, imo there are high functioning autistics who do know what they're doing and can discern right from wrong.
Thinking from earlier threads where BK was using gloves to dispose of waste at his parents, and the clothing worn during the murders -- why throw good clothes away, Brian ?
Imo.

BBM

My own experience is that most autistics can discern right from wrong and in fact are often stickers for rules, with a heightened need for justice.

A problem arises when the autistics rules don’t match society’s.

One theory of autism is that autistics don’t naturally, automatically sync with others around them.

This often makes them non-conformists. For example, autistics might keep unconventional hours (days and nights switched) if they don’t automatically sync with others’ signs of wakefulness or tiredness.

In small, traditional communities, this can be dangerous. Humans need to depend on another to survive. Yet even traditional communities provide for people who are “weird.” Think of a shaman, for example.

In large modern societies such as ours, autistics are given much more free rein. Until they suddenly fear having to register for a national data base, that is.

I think BK is autistic and I have always thought BK was autistic. I remember thinking—oh great, another autistic person goes off the deep end, making everyone look bad.

The Sandy Hook Shooter, the Parklamd Shooter, now BK.

The problem isn’t autism, though. Obviously, almost all autistic people are not killers. As @BeginnerSleuther

 

[Megnut]

I reckon they're gonna try blame that dude who was shot not long after the crime, can't remember his name.

How, I dunno but there's whoppers on the tiktok who wear tin foil tiaras who have helped fuel that utter fantasy

This is disgusting bad faith. jmo

Bryan Kohberger’s lawyers set to name ‘alternate suspect’ who they believe really committed Idaho murders

Kohberger faces the possibility of death by firing squad if he is convicted of the killings.

nypost.com

Kohberger’s attorneys have already informed the judge that they believe someone else is responsible for the pre-dawn stabbings at a student house in Moscow, Idaho — the “alternative perpetrator” theory, Judge Steven Hippler revealed.

Now the judge is telling lawyers to name the suspect and offer up “any actual evidence” they have against him.

He said what defense attorneys have offered so far was “fairly objectionable in terms of admissibility.”

Low of low to pin it on a random dead man.

No doubt LE looked at all kinds if ang K es that went nowhere.

But AT seriously filed a third party motion without naming the party?

Judge Hippler is going go lose the rest of his voice barking that down.

JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

The PA 2nd Search Warrant return listed 'a knife' (no name brand there) first, I found it so I'm linking it...curious that they did specifically name the other knife, Smith Wesson Pocket Knife. Hmmmm.

<snipped>

The following items were seized from inside the home:

• Knife
• Glock 22. .40 Caliber
• Smith Wesson pocket knife
• Three Block .40 Caliber magazines that were empty
• Tayor cutlery knife with leather sheath
• Black face mask
• Black gloves
• Black hat
• Black mask
• AT&T bill for Bryan Kohberger
• Book with underlining on page 118
• Prescriptions
• Cell phone
• Laptop
• Multiple dark-colored pants
• Columbia navy fleece
• New Balance shoes
• 2 pairs of dark-colored boots
• Criminal Psychology book
• Note to Dad from Bryan

https://www.pahomepage.com/news/cri...rrants-for-bryan-kohbergers-pa-home-released/

I'm copying all of this to make a point. Note the difference between "Knife" and "Smith Wesson pocket knife" and "Taylor cutlery knife with leather sheath." Why is it just "knife" while the other knives and items of clothing are identified by brand or color?

 

[gremlin444]

I saw a DM link upthread about a fictional paper he wrote - is that available online?

paper link

It's pages 34-45 in this filing:

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032425-States+Reply+to+Defendants+Objection+to+MIL+RE+Self+Authentication+of+Records.pdf

 

[Jw192]

Low of low to pin it on a random dead man.

No doubt LE looked at all kinds if ang K es that went nowhere.

But AT seriously filed a third party motion without naming the party?

Judge Hippler is going go lose the rest of his voice barking that down.

JMO

Oh I agree but the defense is desperate this late in the stage and it honestly wouldn't surprise me if her crew haven't been looking on social media for tips on this "alternate suspect"

It's disrespectful and a waste of time and resources. Like I'm all for a damn good defense team and them doing their best, but regardless of who she pulls out the hat, the finger is gonna be pointed at an innocent person and the guilty skeletor is sat beside her pretending he's feeble.

Ugh, I hate it.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Low of low to pin it on a random dead man.

No doubt LE looked at all kinds if ang K es that went nowhere.

But AT seriously filed a third party motion without naming the party?

Judge Hippler is going go lose the rest of his voice barking that down.

JMO

Agree. I don't think it can be the Knife without more fanfare.

I think maybe less fanfare if they don't want people to know that they have it, other than LE, prosecutors, and defense.

 

[DisplacedDivaofthe6C]

Defense

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/051525+Order+-+Document+and+Records+Hold+Order+-+Defense.pdf

Prosecution. This is sure to be the side the leak is from, as the judge makes clear.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/051525+Order+-+Document+and+Records+Hold+Order.pdf

It's all fun and games until someone defies the gag order.

 

[PinkParis2052]

RE: Dateline: These were very big moments. The number of times the Elantra circled the house on King Road was also pretty damning.

the number of times that the Elantra circled the house was in the PCA, this was just the first time that the public had seen video of that.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I do not believe that there is ANY way that THE knife used to commit the murders has been recovered, and we have not heard of it. I doubt that the state can just show the jury a duplicate knife and say "he used a knife just like this one to murder those four students", but I do not think anything would keep them from showing a duplicate, and saying, Amazon records show that BK ordered a knife identical to this one, and it was delivered to his home, on yada, yada. The knife purchased included a sheath that looks identical to the one found in victim Mogen's bed". Victims' wounds were consistent with the type injuries that such a knife as this could make. His knife or sheath has never been produced through any searches or questioning. Any juror that is at least half awake can make the connection. JMO

Jumping off this post. Would not the prosecution need to prove that a knife that is made to go in that sheath had the ability to do the damage to the victims? Could you not use an example for that? I have seen it done in other cases (I'll have to go look one up).

I mean, if you had a sheath for an exacto knife, but wounds for a KaBar, that might make things a little hard to swallow for a jury. Proving this found sheath is for this type of knife and that knife is of the type that would make these wounds is more impactful with an example of said knife. JMO, of course.

And if they found a knife that would fit in the sheath but it had been cleaned so well that there was no evidence left on it, would we know that? I'm thinking no. Again, JMO.