4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[imstilla.grandma]

"I would be open to a request for an appointment of a special prosecutor, and that special prosecutor to ask for a magistrate inquiry," he said. "So they have the power of subpoena and the power to question witnesses under oath, as well as the power to grant immunity."

Judge invites special prosecutor as sensitive details in Kohberger case leaked

Bryan Kohberger, the man suspected of killing four University of Idaho students in 2022, appeared in court Thursday.

www.boisestatepublicradio.org

 

[NoeticSoul]

Sounds like what the defense has, is pretty flimsy to me.

AT throwing more spaghetti at the wall to see if it sticks LOL jmo

 

[imstilla.grandma]

'All persons who at any time, past or present, worked directly or indirectly [on this case]... are hereby prohibited from deleting, discarding, overwriting, destroying, altering or otherwise making unavailable any... records, files, documents, metadata, messages, emails, text messages, direct or private messages, phone logs or logs of communications,' he wrote in his memo.

He went on to specify that this order must be adhered to regardless of whether the information was stored on a work owned or personal device.

Any contact that officials have had with media companies, friends or relatives outside of their colleagues which related to Kohberger or the facts of the case against him must be stored.

'All such Documents or materials or records that could potentially constitute a Document - even if it is uncertain whether such meet that criteria shall be preserved and must be protected from deletion, alteration or loss until further order of the Court.

'Any feature on any device or account that is set to automatically delete or overwrite information that could be covered by this Order must immediately be disabled.'

Kohberger trial thrown into jeopardy as judge cites major violation

The 30-year-old is scheduled to stand trial in August accused of the quadruple homicide of four University of Idaho students back in November 2022.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[NoeticSoul]

"I would be open to a request for an appointment of a special prosecutor, and that special prosecutor to ask for a magistrate inquiry," he said. "So they have the power of subpoena and the power to question witnesses under oath, as well as the power to grant immunity."

Judge invites special prosecutor as sensitive details in Kohberger case leaked

Bryan Kohberger, the man suspected of killing four University of Idaho students in 2022, appeared in court Thursday.

www.boisestatepublicradio.org

All these 'leaks' happening, shades of the Delphi trial. smh

 

[jepop]

This is my concern. BT asked the question and judge H didn't seem so inclined, which I believe is wrong.
There is no need to jeopardise any undercover operations or potentially risk harm to an agent by showing their face on a livestream just to satisfy the public interest IMO

My takeaway is slightly different. I don't think Hippler has decided. I think he asked the prosecution to convince him, and BT indicated he understood.
Moo. He'll probably just need to lay it out in detail to show Hippler why it's necessary.

My reading was Hippler kind of ranked the level of convincing he requires:
1) None for the roomates ( victims).ie They can choose as they please cameras or no cameras.
2) For FBI operatives currently under cover or whatever it was. Hippler needs to understand and see argument. It is not impossible.
3) Others ie AT said she had some witnesses who were scared or something to be associated with the defense and didn't want their faces broadcast. Hippler said there would have to be a very strong showing of cause to allow this. Imo that probably isn't going to happen. Jmo

 

[Boxer]

but I thought that the defense said that they just came across when they were looking through the tips, there was thousands of tips from what I heard.

Brett Kopacka. MOO that he was involved has been a reddit theme since 2022.

Pullman man killed during SWAT standoff was a U.S. Army Veteran

Authorities have identified the Pullman man who was killed by a Whitman County Regional SWAT team member during a standoff on December 15, 2022, as Brent Lee Ko

klewtv.com

 

[otto]

After the Dateline "undisclosed sources" program, I am curious whether the prosecution theory is that Maddie was the one and only target, and all other murders were a result of avoiding arrest.

 

[otto]

My takeaway is slightly different. I don't think Hippler has decided. I think he asked the prosecution to convince him, and BT indicated he understood.
Moo. He'll probably just need to lay it out in detail to show Hippler why it's necessary.

My reading was Hippler kind of ranked the level of convincing he requires:
1) None for the roomates ( victims).ie They can choose as they please cameras or no cameras.
2) For FBI operatives currently under cover or whatever it was. Hippler needs to understand and see argument. It is not impossible.
3) Others ie AT said she had some witnesses who were scared or something to be associated with the defense and didn't want their faces broadcast. Hippler said there would have to be a very strong showing of cause to allow this. Imo that probably isn't going to happen. Jmo

That was an interesting exchange. It started with providing privacy to roommates (victims). Then expanded to undercover officers, except they were not undercover during this investigation. Then the defence jumped in to suggest that all shy people should be entitled to privacy and no-video testimony. It was obvious at that point that the defence would declare that all of their witnesses wanted privacy.

It was give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

 

[Megnut]

I have been in the camp that he came to kill MM, but seeing how poorly he surveilled the situation, it seems quite possible he intended multiple murders, one per room. Plagiarizing Bundy.

JMO

 

[femto]

After the Dateline "undisclosed sources" program, I am curious whether the prosecution theory is that Maddie was the one and only target, and all other murders were a result of avoiding arrest.

From what I remember, per dateline they do believe Maddie was the target. Given that they have LE sources, that's what the investigation seems to believe as well. What we know is this - he went to the top floor specifically, skipping multiple rooms easier and faster to access. He finds Kaylee in the same way with Maddie, goes along with it anyway which causes a bit of ruckus. If I remember correctly, the police believe that Xana went to see what was going on which prompted the attack on her (Dylan's testimony also seems to collaborate this as she said someone was running down the stairs). He follows Xana to her room where he kills both Ethan and her.

The reason why I do not buy the theory he meant to kill multiple people is that it doesn't make sense per his movements. If he wanted to do so, Dylan and Xana's room were the easiest to access and it would have allowed him a quick gateaway to escape. And we know that he didn't just go to Xana's room to kill her (or Ethan for that matter), she was the one who stumbled upon him.

 

[jepop]

That was an interesting exchange. It started with providing privacy to roommates (victims). Then expanded to undercover officers, except they were not undercover during this investigation. Then the defence jumped in to suggest that all shy people should be entitled to privacy and no-video testimony. It was obvious at that point that the defence would declare that all of their witnesses wanted privacy.

It was give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

Yeah I agree that was where AT was going when she jumped on board there, and Hippler fortunately wasn't born yesterday so he is having none of it. JMO. He's a demon with boundaries and must have the equivalent of post grad qualifications via experience in 'Recognising and responding effectively to manipulation and attempted Gas lighting.'

It's really, really good to sit back in this case knowing the judge has got every damn thing covered and knows exactly what he's doing. Another trial I'm following at present is the polar opposite.

 

[otto]

I have been in the camp that he came to kill MM, but seeing how poorly he surveilled the situation, it seems quite possible he intended multiple murders, one per room. Plagiarizing Bundy.

JMO

If the prosecution theory is that Maddie was the main target, then it's clear where the leaked info originated.

I more or less accepted the Dateline theory, but I'm no longer convinced. Was he driven by motives of sexual violence towards one woman, or did he want to go down in history as a Bundy copycat who murdered several young female roommates attending university? Was the driving force sexual violence, mass murder, or criminal fame?

There was no sexual violence (that we know of), but should we assume there would have been sexual violence if Maddie had been alone in her bed? What about Xana? Kohberger had stalked/surveilled the residence enough times that he should have known that Xana might not be alone. Can the prosecution make the leap between: Bundy used sexual violence, therefore Kohberger, a fan, intended to imitate Bundy's sexual violence?

On the other hand, leaving the sheath on Maddie's bed suggests it was not attached to him (or in a pocket), so I think he must have taken the knife out of the sheath in her bedroom. Knife in one hand, sheath in the other. Does that suggests the knife was going to be used to threaten and coerce prior to murder?

In the days after the murders, he was probably already planning another mass murder and dreaming about the name he would be given by the media (e.g. BTK, Zodiac).

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Brett Kopacka. MOO that he was involved has been a reddit theme since 2022.

Pullman man killed during SWAT standoff was a U.S. Army Veteran

Authorities have identified the Pullman man who was killed by a Whitman County Regional SWAT team member during a standoff on December 15, 2022, as Brent Lee Ko

klewtv.com

It boggles my mind.

“Police framed Bryan Kohberger to take the fall for Brent Kopacka, the true Idaho murderer.” That is what many a conspiracy-minded person thinks.

But why on earth would LE frame Kohberger when they could have just framed Kopacka? HE’S DEAD. LE could have “solved” the Idaho murders way ahead of schedule, on December 15, 2022.

Look, when I first heard about Kopacka’s shooting, I hoped against hope that LE had found the Idaho murderer. But they said Kopacka had no relation to the murders, and I believed them. Just I like I believed them (reluctantly) when they said the unsolved Oregon stabbings had no relation to the murders.

I hope AT doesn’t try to do the opposite of what many on Reddit believe that LE did—frame Brent Kopacka to take the fall for Bryan Kohberger.

 

[Kudzuu]

@otto

Why wouldn't BK have the shelf on his belt? Am I missing something like he had no belt or it was covered? I understand the knife was sharp and needed to be sheathed. It just seems reckless to carry a sheathed knife in his hand.

Unless he expected Maddie to be asleep and alone.

 

[Boxer]

@otto

Why wouldn't BK have the shelf on his belt? Am I missing something like he had no belt or it was covered? I understand the knife was sharp and needed to be sheathed. It just seems reckless to carry a sheathed knife in his hand.

Unless he expected Maddie to be asleep and alone.

MOO the sheath was deep in a coveralls pocket. There is no belt on coveralls, and unless you have worked in coveralls you would not know that they eject everything out of their pockets if you have to really have to exert yourself.

 

[Megnut]

GH work in progress, virtual re-enactment, 12 minutes

 

[otto]

From what I remember, per dateline they do believe Maddie was the target. Given that they have LE sources, that's what the investigation seems to believe as well. What we know is this - he went to the top floor specifically, skipping multiple rooms easier and faster to access. He finds Kaylee in the same way with Maddie, goes along with it anyway which causes a bit of ruckus. If I remember correctly, the police believe that Xana went to see what was going on which prompted the attack on her (Dylan's testimony also seems to collaborate this as she said someone was running down the stairs). He follows Xana to her room where he kills both Ethan and her.

The reason why I do not buy the theory he meant to kill multiple people is that it doesn't make sense per his movements. If he wanted to do so, Dylan and Xana's room were the easiest to access and it would have allowed him a quick gateaway to escape. And we know that he didn't just go to Xana's room to kill her (or Ethan for that matter), she was the one who stumbled upon him.

That was my original thinking, but after reading his paper, I don't think he's all there when it comes to planning. I know ... it's a big leap to read one 8 pages point-form paper (p.34) and to then draw conclusions about how he thinks ... but that paper does provide insights. I stopped reading halfway through because I felt like I was reading 'do this, another way of saying do this, yet another way to say do this, but don't forget to do that first'. My brain felt jumbled reading it, as though there was an objective of obscuring information and then repeatedly declaring it. New, clean, unused (written as "not previously used"). Verbose, convoluted.

It comes across as a mental mess. I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but if he wanted to mass murder the occupants of the house, he would have thought about order. The upstairs bedrooms are a trap in terms of fast escape, so that's one reason to start there. He may not have initially known about the bedroom at the bottom of the stairs. Xana's bedroom off the living room may have been second, then the downstairs bedrooms ... all easy access to the exits. Two girls in one room, Xana investigating the disturbance - if true, seeing one of the victims frozen in her doorway, changed the plan entirely to self-preservation.

I think he was going to retrieve his sheath when he was seen at the bottom of the stairs, and decided to get out of there as fast as possible - knowing that the probability of someone having called 911 was high.

 

[otto]

@otto

Why wouldn't BK have the shelf on his belt? Am I missing something like he had no belt or it was covered? I understand the knife was sharp and needed to be sheathed. It just seems reckless to carry a sheathed knife in his hand.

Unless he expected Maddie to be asleep and alone.

It's the only explanation I can think of for leaving the sheath behind. If he had it hooked to himself, he wouldn't have left it behind. He had to be carrying it lose in his hands ... or is there another explanation?

 

[DizzyB]

GH work in progress, virtual re-enactment, 12 minutes

The StreetView driving by far illustrates the location and viewpoint that BK had of the house and Maddie’s room better than anything I had seen. My brain always had trouble processing the orientation of the house to the apartments behind it. This put it all together for me. I can see his path now.

 

[Megnut]

I'm re-watching GH's synchronization of video, PCA and his own re-enactment and it's eerie every time.

I wonder if there were obstacles each time he approached. Lights on at 1122, lights on in nearby apartments, homes, pedestrians. As we know, DD. Maybe he was looping, looking for optimal conditions, as opposed to psyching himself up.

I think he was already psyched up, from the moment he left his apartment. Psychopathy.

It's so disturbing that there are predators like BK, prowling in the shadows while people think they're safe in their homes.

23m

GH makes a great observation -- BK is aware of the door dash vehicle and changes his approach, the three-point turns, and that's when his vehicle's absent front license plate was captured! Critical detail!