4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[iamshadow21]

I’ve never believed any restaurant owner knows every human that walks in, ridiculous!

But it's never been reported beyond that one People magazine article, every other publication was just repeating what People had said.

And the restaurant manager was fast to deny it.

Restaurant where two Idaho murders victims worked denies Bryan Kohberger rumours

Jackie Fischer, owner of the Mad Creek, slammed a report that claimed Mr Kohberger had eaten at the restaurant twice in the weeks leading up to the murders

www.independent.co.uk

The restaurant has been closed for a while now, and yet no one else, not even the original 'source', has come forward to claim they remember him for their fifteen minutes and their pay day from the Mail, etc?

I think it's more likely he was never there.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

But it's never been reported beyond that one People magazine article, every other publication was just repeating what People had said.

And the restaurant manager was fast to deny it.

Restaurant where two Idaho murders victims worked denies Bryan Kohberger rumours

Jackie Fischer, owner of the Mad Creek, slammed a report that claimed Mr Kohberger had eaten at the restaurant twice in the weeks leading up to the murders

www.independent.co.uk

The restaurant has been closed for a while now, and yet no one else, not even the original 'source', has come forward to claim they remember him for their fifteen minutes and their pay day from the Mail, etc?

I think it's more likely he was never there.

MOO

IDK. I tend to believe he was there. Three of my family members are vegan. It is hard for us to find family restaurants where we all can eat a nice meal together. And my Vegans know every place around us that have good meal options for them.

I bet if BK saw they had vegan pizza and other vegan options, he would absolutely give it a try. There aren't that many options for vegans so if they find a place that serves vegan pizza or vegan tacos, they will check it out.

I know the owner was quick to deny it, but of course he would. I just don't believe he can say that with any total honesty because he couldn't possibly know.

 

[katydid23]

Pretty creative. But that just makes Brent a victim, not an alternate suspect, iMO.

Maybe an unwitting accomplice. But it doesn't get Bryan off the hook for the murders.

 

[iamshadow21]

IDK. I tend to believe he was there. Three of my family members are vegan. It is hard for us to find family restaurants where we all can eat a nice meal together. And my Vegans know every place around us that have good meal options for them.

I bet if BK saw they had vegan pizza and other vegan options, he would absolutely give it a try. There aren't that many options for vegans so if they find a place that serves vegan pizza or vegan tacos, they will check it out.

I know the owner was quick to deny it, but of course he would. I just don't believe he can say that with any total honesty because he couldn't possibly know.

She denied it. And no other 'source' has come forward saying he ate there. And as far as I know, there's been no connection mentioned in hearings as there might have been had he patronised the workplace of a victim, which would be a significant linkage.

I'm more inclined to think that People googled for vegan places in Moscow and wrote a story around it for clicks.

MOO

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Pretty creative. But that just makes Brent a victim, not an alternate suspect, iMO.

Maybe an unwitting accomplice. But it doesn't get Bryan off the hook for the murders.

Thanks. That's true it makes Brent the victim, but if Brian says otherwise, how are they going to prove otherwise? It's reasonable doubt. I guess they have DMs account of the suspect with Brian's body type. Plus they have Brian's DNA on the sheath.

 

[katydid23]

Thanks. That's true it makes Brent the victim, but if Brian says otherwise, how are they going to prove otherwise? It's reasonable doubt. I guess they have DMs account of the suspect with Brian's body type. Plus they have Brian's DNA on the sheath.

Wait, so Bryan's going to say that Brent went in the house and killed everyone while Bryan sat in the car?

Well, He'd have to take the stand to try and sell that story. I hope he tries it.

 

[Warwick7]

MOO Could have been dug in summer. A hidden hole for his stuff, in a tree line or back of a pullout, safe from plows with board and dirt on top. Winter snow would cover till spring.

BBM
Exactly! He acts dreadful doing everything in advance. I think, in hopes those who he consideres fools don't make the connection.

 

[katydid23]

Thanks. That's true it makes Brent the victim, but if Brian says otherwise, how are they going to prove otherwise? It's reasonable doubt. I guess they have DMs account of the suspect with Brian's body type. Plus they have Brian's DNA on the sheath.

Oh, now that you mentioned it---I remember hearing that speculation a long time ago, that Bryan was actually going to the King house a lot to buy drugs. And he just happened that night to meet up with his dealer, who drove there with him and told him to wait for him in the car about 4 am that morning-----then came out and got a ride home---only to realise his dealer stole his knife and sheath and planted it there.

I never heard this version here though, that makes Brent K the dealer and the killer. Very inventive but also ridiculous and will never be admissible as there is no credible evidence. imo

 

[Warwick7]

I’m picturing a law clerk for the defense poring over messages on some Proberger FB page looking for “tips”. Jmo.

Ooooo that's a dangerous game to play.

 

[katydid23]

If he tries to use a story like that-----He was doing coke in the parking lot with a security guard, and he was cutting the coke with his Kabar----HOLD UP----coke is cut best with a tiny sharp razor blade---not a super huge foot long blade---thats ridiculous...lol

OK, so Bryan is going to keep a straight face and say he was innocently doing coke at 4 am in a parking lot , cutting it with his Kabar, and his security guard friend grabs the knife and sheath and goes looking in the windows of 1122 King---and Bryan was so disgusted by that, [lmao, is he joking?] that he drives off in disgust, and then he goes home , takes a shower, puts on a white button down shirt and takes a thumbs up selfie, in response?

 

[arielilane]

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger

5/15/2025

• Order Regarding May 15 2025 Hearing
• Order - Document and Records Hold Order
• Order - Document and Records Hold Order - Defense

5/14/2025

• NewMotion to Seal Defendants Offer of Proof RE Alternate Perpetrators
• Order Sealing Notice of States Amended Exhibit List
• Order Sealing Exhibit S-1 to States Motion to Reclaim Exhibits
• Order Permitting State to Reclaim Exhibits
• 2nd Order Sealing Defendants Proposed Jury Instructions
• 2nd Motion to Seal Defendants Proposed Jury Instructions
• Amended Order Governing Courtroom Conduct

5/13/2025

• States Motion to Seal Exhibit S-1 to States Motion to Reclaim Exhibits
• States Motion to Reclaim Exhibits

06/18/2025 Hearing Scheduled (12:30 PM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

07/21/2025 Canceled Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven) Vacated

07/30/2025 Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

08/11/2025 Jury Trial (8:30 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

 

[Warwick7]

They arrested BK on Dec 30, 2022. But that left Dec 31, Jan 1 and 2 for that information to have been leaked or passed on before said gag order.It is totally possible they had all the information and that is why the gag order was put in place. We'll find out at some point.

However, as far back as Nov 29 BK is identified as owner of white Elantra by WSU police.

And in M00 I believe the FBI surveillance team was tasked with following BK as he drove across the country. And at one pont they "lost him" almost as soon as he started his journey. Because he drove south, a route not expected for a trip to PA.

All of which was before Dec 31st.

 

[Warwick7]

Okay here is a shortened version of my grand theory. I'll just write what it is without supporting it because I have to go do something in a second. And fyi I can't be bothered to spell Brian's name correctly because this is what voice typing comes up with.

Brian coburger became an FBI informant after his heroin bust in high school. And I've learned about the world of informants recently due to something that happened to me and someone I know. They tend to make young white intelligent kids with drug busts, informants and they like to start them young, 14 is the informal minimum. This can go on for years if the person wants it to. It can be part-time, as the person goes about their life.

When Brian moved to Washington he continued on with his informant duties. I believe he spotted xana and Maddie at the vegetarian restaurant and perhaps tried to hit on them and he was rejected.

He looked into them more, saw some drug activity in their family, and he opened up a drug case on their mothers for revenge. That's why both their mothers were busted on drugs right around the time of the murder. So Brian was involved in surveilling their house for drug activity for the mothers. Law enforcement was aware he was doing this. So that was his excuse to be around the house.

He met Brent Kopeka around the same time because Brent kopeca has all his social media handles related to marijuana. So Brent kopeka was probably a marijuana informant which is still illegal up there. That's how they met. Through the informant program.

On the night of the murders Brian told Brent he was going to do a drug bust at the house. And according to the pictures enhancement I have it looks like a guy similar to Brett driving the car. So Brent drove the car and Brian said any minute now they're going to get a delivery from a car and that's going to be drugs. But that was actually the doordash that Brian ordered before he left his house at 2:47, considering Jack in the box stops taking delivery orders at 2:45. And Brian told Brett that's going to be a delivery of drugs.

So they drove over to the house and circled around until the doordash car got there. Then Brian said let's go park right here and I'm going to get out and go check on the house and you wait for me out here until I come back. It probably won't take more than 10 minutes.

Then Brian went in the house did what he did Brett probably didn't even know what he was doing. Then Brian came back out and said let's go. I'm wondering if Brian got into a different car and maybe walked up the hill, and that's why there is no blood evidence in Brian's car. And then have Brent drive the car around and go back to the house.

So Brian is going to try to commit the perfect murder by blaming it on Brent. He left the sheath there, I'm wondering if he put Brent's DNA on it, to frame Brent. But Brian didn't realize he left a little bit of his own DNA in there.

So Brian's idea was to frame Brent for this murder. I predicted that a long time ago. And as we see, it's kind of starting right now as they're naming an alternate suspect.

Is this your theory, or a theory you think AT is going to come up with?

 

[Maat99]

Thanks. That's true it makes Brent the victim, but if Brian says otherwise, how are they going to prove otherwise? It's reasonable doubt. I guess they have DMs account of the suspect with Brian's body type. Plus they have Brian's DNA on the sheath.

You might be slightly understating the amount of evidence that points to BK as the killer.

 

[Boxer]

Oh, now that you mentioned it---I remember hearing that speculation a long time ago, that Bryan was actually going to the King house a lot to buy drugs. And he just happened that night to meet up with his dealer, who drove there with him and told him to wait for him in the car about 4 am that morning-----then came out and got a ride home---only to realise his dealer stole his knife and sheath and planted it there.

I never heard this version here though, that makes Brent K the dealer and the killer. Very inventive but also ridiculous and will never be admissible as there is no credible evidence. imo

Dealer came back to car soaked in blood, and BK even if an oblivious fool that night doesnt call the police as soon as he heard what happened?

 

[Auntie Cipation]

But that was actually the doordash that Brian ordered before he left his house at 2:47, considering Jack in the box stops taking delivery orders at 2:45.

I think we would have heard, and the DD order and driver would not have been dismissed so easily early on, if Xana's phone didn't show her ordering the doordash that arrived. MOO

 

[jepop]

I think we would have heard, and the DD order and driver would not have been dismissed so easily early on, if Xana's phone didn't show her ordering the doordash that arrived. MOO

Xana ordered the door dash as confirmed by LE investigators. Any other theory is pure fantasy IMO. The DD driver was interviewed and investigators had access to XK's accounts and transactions. Jmo

 

[otto]

Okay here is a shortened version of my grand theory. I'll just write what it is without supporting it because I have to go do something in a second. And fyi I can't be bothered to spell Brian's name correctly because this is what voice typing comes up with.

Brian coburger became an FBI informant after his heroin bust in high school. And I've learned about the world of informants recently due to something that happened to me and someone I know. They tend to make young white intelligent kids with drug busts, informants and they like to start them young, 14 is the informal minimum. This can go on for years if the person wants it to. It can be part-time, as the person goes about their life.

When Brian moved to Washington he continued on with his informant duties. I believe he spotted xana and Maddie at the vegetarian restaurant and perhaps tried to hit on them and he was rejected.

He looked into them more, saw some drug activity in their family, and he opened up a drug case on their mothers for revenge. That's why both their mothers were busted on drugs right around the time of the murder. So Brian was involved in surveilling their house for drug activity for the mothers. Law enforcement was aware he was doing this. So that was his excuse to be around the house.

He met Brent Kopeka around the same time because Brent kopeca has all his social media handles related to marijuana. So Brent kopeka was probably a marijuana informant which is still illegal up there. That's how they met. Through the informant program.

On the night of the murders Brian told Brent he was going to do a drug bust at the house. And according to the pictures enhancement I have it looks like a guy similar to Brett driving the car. So Brent drove the car and Brian said any minute now they're going to get a delivery from a car and that's going to be drugs. But that was actually the doordash that Brian ordered before he left his house at 2:47, considering Jack in the box stops taking delivery orders at 2:45. And Brian told Brett that's going to be a delivery of drugs.

So they drove over to the house and circled around until the doordash car got there. Then Brian said let's go park right here and I'm going to get out and go check on the house and you wait for me out here until I come back. It probably won't take more than 10 minutes.

Then Brian went in the house did what he did Brett probably didn't even know what he was doing. Then Brian came back out and said let's go. I'm wondering if Brian got into a different car and maybe walked up the hill, and that's why there is no blood evidence in Brian's car. And then have Brent drive the car around and go back to the house.

So Brian is going to try to commit the perfect murder by blaming it on Brent. He left the sheath there, I'm wondering if he put Brent's DNA on it, to frame Brent. But Brian didn't realize he left a little bit of his own DNA in there.

So Brian's idea was to frame Brent for this murder. I predicted that a long time ago. And as we see, it's kind of starting right now as they're naming an alternate suspect.

Tunnel vision occurs when investigators (or defence lawyers) pick a theory, or suspect, and build a case around that person (theory) while undervaluing evidence that contradicts that theory.

Correct investigation methods are based on following the evidence, regardless of where it leads.

Kohberger was arrested as a result of following the evidence. A specific white vehicle was seen circling the house on the night of the murders. CCTV footage was used to track that vehicle before and after the murders. Specific details about the vehicle (make, model, year, missing front licence plate) were used to narrow the suspect list. The vehicle was identified. The owner was investigated. DNA from the owner matched evidence (sheath) left at the murder scene. The item (related to murder weapon) containing DNA evidence was directly connected to the suspect.

Theories about alternate suspects are based on tunnel vision. That is, a suspect is chosen and a theory is concocted based on wrapping vague evidence around that suspect while ignoring evidence that does not support the theory.

"Tunnel vision in the criminal justice context can be described as a tendency of participants in the system, such as police or prosecutors, to focus on a particular theory of a case and to dismiss or undervalue evidence which contradicts that theory. This mental process leads to “…unconscious filtering in of evidence that will ‘build a case’ against a particular suspect, while ignoring or suppressing evidence respecting the same suspect that tends to point away from guilt.”
...

Confirmation bias is a powerful psychological process that causes an individual to unconsciously prefer information that supports a conclusion that they have already settled on and to disregard or be overly sceptical about information that contradicts that conclusion."​

Innocence at Stake - Chapter 2 - PPSC

Department of Justice Canada's Internet site

www.ppsc-sppc.gc.ca

 

[sunshineray]

Okay here is a shortened version of my grand theory. I'll just write what it is without supporting it because I have to go do something in a second. And fyi I can't be bothered to spell Brian's name correctly because this is what voice typing comes up with.

Brian coburger became an FBI informant after his heroin bust in high school. And I've learned about the world of informants recently due to something that happened to me and someone I know. They tend to make young white intelligent kids with drug busts, informants and they like to start them young, 14 is the informal minimum. This can go on for years if the person wants it to. It can be part-time, as the person goes about their life.

When Brian moved to Washington he continued on with his informant duties. I believe he spotted xana and Maddie at the vegetarian restaurant and perhaps tried to hit on them and he was rejected.

He looked into them more, saw some drug activity in their family, and he opened up a drug case on their mothers for revenge. That's why both their mothers were busted on drugs right around the time of the murder. So Brian was involved in surveilling their house for drug activity for the mothers. Law enforcement was aware he was doing this. So that was his excuse to be around the house.

He met Brent Kopeka around the same time because Brent kopeca has all his social media handles related to marijuana. So Brent kopeka was probably a marijuana informant which is still illegal up there. That's how they met. Through the informant program.

On the night of the murders Brian told Brent he was going to do a drug bust at the house. And according to the pictures enhancement I have it looks like a guy similar to Brett driving the car. So Brent drove the car and Brian said any minute now they're going to get a delivery from a car and that's going to be drugs. But that was actually the doordash that Brian ordered before he left his house at 2:47, considering Jack in the box stops taking delivery orders at 2:45. And Brian told Brett that's going to be a delivery of drugs.

So they drove over to the house and circled around until the doordash car got there. Then Brian said let's go park right here and I'm going to get out and go check on the house and you wait for me out here until I come back. It probably won't take more than 10 minutes.

Then Brian went in the house did what he did Brett probably didn't even know what he was doing. Then Brian came back out and said let's go. I'm wondering if Brian got into a different car and maybe walked up the hill, and that's why there is no blood evidence in Brian's car. And then have Brent drive the car around and go back to the house.

So Brian is going to try to commit the perfect murder by blaming it on Brent. He left the sheath there, I'm wondering if he put Brent's DNA on it, to frame Brent. But Brian didn't realize he left a little bit of his own DNA in there.

So Brian's idea was to frame Brent for this murder. I predicted that a long time ago. And as we see, it's kind of starting right now as they're naming an alternate suspect.

Umm how would teenage Bryan Kohberger become an FBI informant and why? Because he was using heroin? And after he got clean exactly what would he be an informant for? You think the FBI actively sends out former addicts into the community with a directive to surveil drug abusers and report back?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Tunnel vision occurs when investigators (or defence lawyers) pick a theory, or suspect, and build a case around that person (theory) while undervaluing evidence that contradicts that theory.

Correct investigation methods are based on following the evidence, regardless of where it leads.

Kohberger was arrested as a result of following the evidence. A specific white vehicle was seen circling the house on the night of the murders. CCTV footage was used to track that vehicle before and after the murders. Specific details about the vehicle (make, model, year, missing front licence plate) were used to narrow the suspect list. The vehicle was identified. The owner was investigated. DNA from the owner matched evidence (sheath) left at the murder scene. The item (related to murder weapon) containing DNA evidence was directly connected to the suspect.

Theories about alternate suspects are based on tunnel vision. That is, a suspect is chosen and a theory is concocted based on wrapping vague evidence around that suspect while ignoring evidence that does not support the theory.

"Tunnel vision in the criminal justice context can be described as a tendency of participants in the system, such as police or prosecutors, to focus on a particular theory of a case and to dismiss or undervalue evidence which contradicts that theory. This mental process leads to “…unconscious filtering in of evidence that will ‘build a case’ against a particular suspect, while ignoring or suppressing evidence respecting the same suspect that tends to point away from guilt.”​

...​

​

Confirmation bias is a powerful psychological process that causes an individual to unconsciously prefer information that supports a conclusion that they have already settled on and to disregard or be overly sceptical about information that contradicts that conclusion."​

Innocence at Stake - Chapter 2 - PPSC

Department of Justice Canada's Internet site

www.ppsc-sppc.gc.ca

BBM

Except nowadays it’s social media influencers and their followers who have the tunnel vision, who suffer the most from confirmation bias.

The problem is that the cops have access to the actual evidence, and the SM influencers don’t.

I get it, the police can be corrupt. But the SM influencers who spread conspiracy theories for clicks are corrupt, and I wish they could be held to account for the harm they cause.