4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[LetsSolvIt]

Can someone in the USA please look up vehicle info on this VIN: 5NPDH4AE6FH579860

I have limited access to info in Canada.

Here is something —
https://www.vindecoderz.com/EN/check-lookup/5NPDH4AE6FH579860

I had an Elantra Touring a few years older than KB’s Elantra. Of course don’t know for sure what technology he had, but what I would say is the Elantra is a good value but it’s no frills and especially that vintage. Technology like factory installed GPS wasn’t even available for mine.

A week or so ago I looked up trim package for 2015 Elantra and got the impression GPS and/or dashboard technology would be a definite upgrade charge. I have had the impression BK’s family were of modest means (bank ruptcies, etc). Not saying that to judge but that I doubt they would choose optional bells and whistles. The fact that they bought an Elantra speaks to an attitude of practicality and frugality (reason I bought one).

I will try to find found photos of his LE stop in Indiana — maybe in one of his driving pullovers we can see the dashboard in photos I found.

 

[Arkay]

Why would anyone claim to know that Kohberger is guilty, and that his motive was to impress some third party?

The murders were sloppy, messy, and pointless. No one is impressed.

I'd add that BK does not respect women. I can't imagine him wanting to impress a female professor, once he collected his good grade and moved on.

I share this point of view.

It goes without saying, obviously, that I can’t know for certain, but my gut feeling is that he did NOT commit these murders in order to impress his female professor.

If he in fact thought about his professor at all, it was likely with disdain, IMO, because he did seem to have some animus against women. This much older professor was, I assume, not someone to whom he was sexually attracted. Her only use to him was to teach him some facts and to give him a good grade.

If anything, (possibly, maybe, perhaps) he might have had a thought or two about outwitting her. She’s the expert in Criminology and he’s going to commit a murder that she’ll never figure out. Then he can believe he’s outsmarted the expert, with a textbook Whodunnit.

Of course he wasn’t so brilliant. Of course he messed up. Of course the Whodunnit is solved, pending the jury’s decision.

Just my speculation. Not committed to it enough to be my opinion.

 

[Warwick7]

Wrong thread

 

[NicoleInVa]

Here is something —
https://www.vindecoderz.com/EN/check-lookup/5NPDH4AE6FH579860

I had an Elantra Touring a few years older than KB’s Elantra. Of course don’t know for sure what technology he had, but what I would say is the Elantra is a good value but it’s no frills and especially that vintage. Technology like factory installed GPS wasn’t even available for mine.

A week or so ago I looked up trim package for 2015 Elantra and got the impression GPS and/or telemetrics would be a definite upgrade charge. I have had the impression BK’s family were of modest means (bank ruptcies, etc). Not saying that to judge but that I doubt they would choose optional bells and whistles. The fact that they bought an Elantra speaks to an attitude of practicality and frugality (reason I bought one).

I will try to find photo of his LE stop in Indiana — maybe in one of his driving pullovers we can see the dashboard.

I’m not familiar with this site but is the bottom section the items the car has? If so, I’d be curious what this event data recorder captures.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Can someone in the USA please look up vehicle info on this VIN: 5NPDH4AE6FH579860

I have limited access to info in Canada.

Here are two photos of the dashboard of BK’s car and I would say he only has a radio setup, not a technology dash or GPS. The screen is too small — situation looks just like my no frills Elantra that was just a bit older than his.

Sources: The first photo (left) is ABC WorldNewsTonight Facebook page from police bodycam. Time stamp 12-15-2022.

The second photo (right) is from our photo thread (FBI Reportedly Told Indiana Cops to Pull Over Bryan Kohberger and His Dad).

 

[Sweeper2000]

anyone care to take a gesstimate at how long before the trial starts?

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I’m not familiar with this site but is the bottom section the items the car has? If so, I’d be curious what this event data recorder captures.

Doesn’t seem the 2015 Elantra owner’s manual is still online but here is only one of the articles I found. If you Google, there are a number confirming the Elantra has a “black box.”

Yes, the 2015 Hyundai Elantra is equipped with an Event Data Recorder (EDR).EDRs, also known as black boxes in cars, are memory chips that record data during crashes.

Where is the EDR located?
The EDR memory chip is typically stored within the car's Airbag Control Module (ACM) or Restraint Control Module.

What kind of data does the EDR record?
The EDR records various data points in the moments leading up to and during a crash, including: Speed, Engine throttle, Whether seat belts were used, and Whether brakes were applied.

How can the data be accessed?
The data can be accessed by:

1. Connecting a diagnostic tool to the vehicle's diagnostic port.
2. Removing the ACM module and accessing the memory chip.

Why is the EDR important?
The EDR can provide valuable information about a car accident, helping to:Establish the key facts of the accident, Reconstruct the accident scene, and Aid in investigations.

Important Note: EDRs do not record data continuously; they only record data when a crash event is detected.

Source: Google

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Rbm.
Thanks for the thoughtful response.

This is how I'm looking at it :

Yes I understand what you're saying and I'm not speaking out against anyone with autism.
This is primarily concerning Brian Kohberger and not killers like Elliot Rodgers who by the way wasn't diagnosed with autism but (from the link below) what's termed as 'malignant narcissism', and imo a possible incel as well ?

The Isla Vista Shooter: This is Not the Autism Spectrum

The mass murderer displayed malignant narcissism, envy, and entitlement that are not typical with his reported autism spectrum diagnosis. Misunderstanding mental illness introduces potential for misplaced fear.

www.theatlantic.com

Making the case for the inappropriateness of an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis in Elliott Rodger’s case is critically important to address the public misconception that autistic individuals have an unusually high potential for violence.

By higher functioning Brian may still understand very well what he has done was wrong; however I'm leery of his defense using this at this late date, to promote a sense of sympathy for him.
If BK wasn't diagnosed with autism before it's possible he is not autistic.

Regardless, he was thought competent enough to be placed in a position of some authority over other students , according to the Dateline show, and yes it was discussed before that episode.
The only affliction BK may be suffering from is a sense of grandiose entitlement that could be on par with Elliot Rodgers.

Re. the red bolded : I wouldn't take BK's nighttime excursions as a sign of having different awake/tired moments from most other people. He had run into a group of people per the Dateline one of whom recognized him whilst they were returning from a hike at dusk-- but BK was just walking up the hill and apparently just beginning his hike !

While it could be a manifestation of an autism diagnosis, it could also be that he liked night time better and it was easier to 'observe' (stalk) people like the young students he eventually murdered.

Curious if the defense will provide proof if she thinks BK has autism ?
Was he ever diagnosed before the killings ?
Hope that makes sense.
Omo.

I hesitated to include Elliot Rodger on the list since there was controversy about whether or not he had autism. (Rodger was apparently diagnosed with Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (PDD-NOS) at age 17, and this would now be diagnosed as autism spectrum disorder. IIRC, some clinicians and family members claimed the diagnosis was inaccurate.)

Rodger really reminds me of Kohberger, though. Maybe they share the same personality disorder. They certainly share the same social isolation, arrogance, and hatred for women.

I realize that we have to tread lightly when talking about autism, schizophrenia, ADHD, OCD, mood disorders and crime. People with these neurotypes or disorders are vulnerable and easily scapegoated.

But IMO we will protect no one if we don’t educate the public about the complexity of these different brains, advocate tolerance for difference, and admit that sometimes people with different brains do commit crime (just like neurotypicals).

I’ll go further: Teach people about the social model of disability, show them evidence that schizophrenics who are given support and take their medication regularly are not dangerous (nor are most who are cruelly neglected by society), LISTEN to the voices of autistics and give them agency.

And remind everyone that human beings who feel they are a cherished part of a community are unlikely to lash out against it.

IMOO

 

[SteveP]

Doesn’t seem the 2015 Elantra owner’s manual is still online but here is only one of the articles I found. If you Google, there are a number confirming the Elantra has a “black box.”

Yes, the 2015 Hyundai Elantra is equipped with an Event Data Recorder (EDR).EDRs, also known as black boxes in cars, are memory chips that record data during crashes.

Where is the EDR located?
The EDR memory chip is typically stored within the car's Airbag Control Module (ACM) or Restraint Control Module.

What kind of data does the EDR record?
The EDR records various data points in the moments leading up to and during a crash, including: Speed, Engine throttle, Whether seat belts were used, and Whether brakes were applied.

How can the data be accessed?
The data can be accessed by:

1. Connecting a diagnostic tool to the vehicle's diagnostic port.
2. Removing the ACM module and accessing the memory chip.

Why is the EDR important?
The EDR can provide valuable information about a car accident, helping to:Establish the key facts of the accident, Reconstruct the accident scene, and Aid in investigations.

Important Note: EDRs do not record data continuously; they only record data when a crash event is detected.

Source: Google

Yeah, unfortunately, the Elantra's EDR (event data recorder) would have only been useful if BK had actually hit that parked car that he almost plowed into as he sped away from 1122 King Rd. at 4:20 am. JMO

 

[LetsSolvIt]

OT: It’s bothered me a lot that the innocent Hyundai brand got connected to this horrible crime. I don’t think anyone is blaming Hyundai it’s just having (IMHO) a wonderful car brand mentioned seemingly thousands of times in the same sentence with the alleged monster BK and this gruesome crime.

I’m now driving my second Hyundai, a Palisade, and LOVE it! The Elantra never gave me one problem — drove it 12 years with no repairs — but was too small for DH. Please don’t judge Hyundai because BK drove one!

 

[Karin1974]

I’ve never believed any restaurant owner knows every human that walks in, ridiculous!

IMO - The original poster said we know for sure he went into the Mad Greek. The point I was making was, we don’t know & cannot be sure of this at all. You didn’t need to try & belittle me with your opinion. MOO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Yeah, unfortunately, the Elantra's EDR (event data recorder) would have only been useful if BK had actually hit that parked car that he almost plowed into as he sped away from 1122 King Rd. at 4:20 am. JMO

I’m amazed BK wasn’t pulled over yet again for speeding away from the crime scene like a bat out of hell. (It really is too bad he missed that car).

What exactly was his plan if he was pulled over with all that incriminating evidence in his car?

I always wonder about the gun they found at his family home. Was that in his car as he sped away, then drove into the darkness south of Moscow, ready at hand if another cop dared to stop him.

However, no gun has been entered as evidence for the trial according to earlier posts in this thread, if I interpret them correctly.

Perhaps the gun doesn’t belong to BK. And even if it does, it apparently wasn’t used during the murders and may therefore be irrelevant for this case.

 

[Boxer]

Here is something —
https://www.vindecoderz.com/EN/check-lookup/5NPDH4AE6FH579860

I had an Elantra Touring a few years older than KB’s Elantra. Of course don’t know for sure what technology he had, but what I would say is the Elantra is a good value but it’s no frills and especially that vintage. Technology like factory installed GPS wasn’t even available for mine.

A week or so ago I looked up trim package for 2015 Elantra and got the impression GPS and/or dashboard technology would be a definite upgrade charge. I have had the impression BK’s family were of modest means (bank ruptcies, etc). Not saying that to judge but that I doubt they would choose optional bells and whistles. The fact that they bought an Elantra speaks to an attitude of practicality and frugality (reason I bought one).

I will try to find found photos of his LE stop in Indiana — maybe in one of his driving pullovers we can see the dashboard in photos I found.

For some reason I thought the 2015 Elantra does not have telematics, but it does. Maybe all its features are by a subscription?

https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/1863#:~:text=The%202015%20Elantra%20offers%20the%20Hyundai%20Blue,remote%20door%20lock/unlock%20and%20stolen%20vehicle%20recovery.

 

[SteveP]

I’m amazed BK wasn’t pulled over yet again for speeding away from the crime scene like a bat out of hell. (It really is too bad he missed that car).

What exactly was his plan if he was pulled over with all that incriminating evidence in his car?

I always wonder about the gun they found at his family home. Was that in his car as he sped away, then drove into the darkness south of Moscow, ready at hand if another cop dared to stop him.

However, no gun has been entered as evidence for the trial according to earlier posts in this thread, if I interpret them correctly.

Perhaps the gun doesn’t belong to BK. And even if it does, it apparently wasn’t used during the murders and may therefore be irrelevant for this case.

I have actually wondered what he would have done if he had hit another vehicle as he was speeding away. No way would he call the police, imo, or stick around while someone else might. I think he most likely would have gotten out and run away from it, perhaps calling to report it stolen later in the day. Almost a shame that he didn't hit a parked car and damage his to the point that he could not escape it before LE was called by someone, and arrived. JMO

 

[snooptroop88]

Have always wondered about BK murdering a romantic couple. And then got on the phone to his father after the killings-- ??? JMO Xana has to be the one (or BF??) that says "There's someone here," jmo, if BK really were to have started upstairs. Nobody upstairs screamed, and that means BK killed KG & MM in a deep sleep, so KG couldn't be the one speaking. I can think of an alternative theory where BK ordered the DD & gave directions for driver to knock or ring at driveway door. That might wake both DM and XK and put things in motion, and it might have disturbed Murphy. BK might have lurked around in the background waiting to see a light go on within the home at/near the front stairs so he could slip in through the back when XK was retrieving food from the porch. If this theory were correct (and it's overwhelmingly likely it's not at this point with Dateline's theory), BK meant to move through every floor of the house before the "thud" and barking hastened his flight. (He also may have intended to return upstairs to retrieve the sheath.)

Theory doesn't gel if XK's phone shows active activity (not in a loop where she may have been disengaged) until 4:12; theory won't work if you can't see the living room light (or light to illuminate stairs to 1st floor) faintly in the hallway from the slider area; theory obviously won't work if it's clear XK placed the DD order herself. Partially won't work if the DD driver didn't knock/ring. But just noting, Xana also worked at Mad Greek. Have wondered if BK wasn't obsessed with Xana and that's why that incredibly gruesome "carving." It's almost like primitive/territorial. But Dateline theory is the one that's out there now, and I've got a feeling that's the one that'll ultimately be correct. But I still find it bizarre BK was like maneuvering around DoorDash into the site of his murders. (???)

I think we would have heard, and the DD order and driver would not have been dismissed so easily early on, if Xana's phone didn't show her ordering the doordash that arrived. MOO

Exactly.

OK so just because BK “says” this is what happened doesn’t mean it’s going to make it into the trial for the jury to even consider as reasonable doubt (see below for explanation). By the way, this applys to any alternative perpetrator(s) the D name and good luck to them whether/if they name the deceased veteran BK, or any other person the combined LE task force has already examined and cleared/ruled out.

RSBMFF...

I’m pretty sure if my hunch is correct, and AT submits conspiracy manufactured non-evidence and argues before the court for its admissibility, she is not only going to look foolish, she will lose aka Judge will issue ruling against as not admissible for trial and that will be the end of it as far as the court is concerned. But I’m sure it won’t stop the unscrupulous SM/internet cranks from continuing to spew conspiracies and blame, shame and defame innocent victims and other innocent people on the periphery of the case, sadly and unfortunately.

IMHOO

ETA-clarification

YUP, 100% agreed. Is the target of the new conspiracy another stargazer? That's not an alibi, it's an aliBRY, a whole new twisted line of defense. And I can tell this is going to be another round of the same, honestly. JMO, there's no question BK's as guilty as sin. Unless D has the goods, please don't drag someone else through the muck to make us all puke as you defend your guilty quadruple murderer.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

For some reason I thought the 2015 Elantra does not have telematics, but it does. Maybe all its features are by a subscription?

https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/1863#:~:text=The%202015%20Elantra%20offers%20the%20Hyundai%20Blue,remote%20door%20lock/unlock%20and%20stolen%20vehicle%20recovery.

I’m not sure I am using “telematics” correctly. Would that be all the technology on a dashboard screen like navigation, phone dialing, map, radio, etc?

Or does telematics refer to the black box technology? Is it different than telemetrics?

From what I’ve seen online, it seems that the hardware/screen and technology for a GPS, maps, phone use, etc. was an upgrade package for the 2015 Elantra — it wasn’t standard. Even now to use navigation, maps, and much of the dash technology on a “TV” screen in my 2022 Hyundai Palisade, I need to subscribe to something called BlueLink (first three years car ownership free).

That said, in my old Elantra (older than Bryan’s), I could connect my flip phone by Bluetooth to the car for hands free driving. There was no subscription. I used voice commands to dial. But no significant screen where I saw phone numbers. And definitely no GPS.

Bryan’s dashboard situation with clock/radio looks identical to my older Elantra. If he had the Bluetooth phone connection option like mine, it was probably just a speaker in ceiling centered above rear-view mirror, where there would also be a fold-down pocket for sunglasses and map lights.

 

[Boxer]

I’m not sure I am using “telematics” correctly. Would that be all the technology on a dashboard screen like navigation, phone dialing, map, radio, etc?

Or does telematics refer to the black box technology? Is it different than telemetrics?

From what I’ve seen online, it seems that the hardware/screen and technology for a GPS, maps, phone use, etc. was an upgrade package for the 2015 Elantra — it wasn’t standard. Even now to use navigation, maps, and much of the dash technology on a “TV” screen in my 2022 Hyundai Palisade, I need to subscribe to something called BlueLink (first three years car ownership free).

That said, in my old Elantra (older than Bryan’s), I could connect my flip phone by Bluetooth to the car for hands free driving. There was no subscription. I used voice commands to dial. But no significant screen where I saw phone numbers. And definitely no GPS.

Bryan’s dashboard situation with clock/radio looks identical to my older Elantra. If he had the Bluetooth phone connection option like mine, it was probably just a speaker in ceiling centered above rear-view mirror, where there would also be a fold-down pocket for sunglasses and map lights.

I found some info - the 2015 Elantra Sport package did have embedded telematics which would have the black box.
So no, sounds like BK was standard without ports or receivers available to add devices.

 

[Odeto BJ]

Can someone in the USA please look up vehicle info on this VIN: 5NPDH4AE6FH579860

I have limited access to info in Canada.

https://www.vindecoderz.com/EN/check-lookup/5NPDH4AE6FH579860

This the whole enchilada.
Nothing to indicate GPS or any driver.ergo memory functions... Steering wheel adjusters purely manual and seat and mirror settings have no storage....climate control manual as well,

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I have actually wondered what he would have done if he had hit another vehicle as he was speeding away. No way would he call the police, imo, or stick around while someone else might. I think he most likely would have gotten out and run away from it, perhaps calling to report it stolen later in the day. Almost a shame that he didn't hit a parked car and damage his to the point that he could not escape it before LE was called by someone, and arrived.

Perhaps police would have nabbed BK in either case.

If he hit a car going that fast, his airbags would likely have deployed and deposited some of the DNA of his face on the bag.


Source: 4 Most Common Airbag Injuries

Also, if he left the incriminating evidence in the car, his DNA would be all over that.

So even if he eluded immediate capture, he wouldn’t be able to later claim someone else stole his car and murdered Ethan, Xana, Kaylee and Maddie.

IMO

 

[jepop]

I am late to respond, and most of my questions have already been addressed by others. I do have one question. Do you have any links, at all, to support any of your ideas here? Any? Theories work best when they take known facts into account, rather than likely unmoderated social media sites.

Also, victims' families are considered victims here as well, and there are some charges made against some members here that are not victim-friendly at all, if even true. JMO

100%. Good post. Jmo