4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[Balthazar]

I believed the same, that they took it down themselves based on the timing. I have since learned it was a coordinated effort though. I imagine they appealed and Facebook reinstated it.

Do you have any proof of that or is it just your opinion?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I'm reviewing the November 7, 2024 hearing. The Defense is upset that BK has to choose between rights...

So no DP.

Not a fixed method of DP so no DP.

BK should experience too much anxiety waiting for execution so no DP.

Since every case of murder could be a DP case, no DP.

It's taking too long, so no DP.

If the trial hadn't had to move, BK could have had a speedy trial so... no DP.

Can't say she didn't try.

(BK is sitting up nice and tall in his suit and tie.)

jmo

2:30.00 to 2:40.00 is a lively listen.

As much as I dislike the death penalty, Mr. Bryan C. Kohberger richly deserves it, just like any other mass or serial killer. I did not weep when Ted Bundy was finally executed.

I’m just worried that the threat of the DP in a notorious case gives a defense attorney carte blanche to try any and every underhanded thing they can think of to save the life of their despicable client.

IMO, Anne Taylor’s chief goal is to get just one nutty Proberger to lie their way onto the jury so she can get a mistrial or (better yet!) an acquittal if that Proberger is especially adept at drawing others into their conspiracy mindset.

IMOO

 

[Sundog]

As much as I dislike the death penalty, Mr. Bryan C. Kohberger richly deserves it, just like any other mass or serial killer. I did not weep when Ted Bundy was finally executed.

I’m just worried that the threat of the DP in a notorious case gives a defense attorney carte blanche to try any and every underhanded thing they can think of to save the life of their despicable client.

IMO, Anne Taylor’s chief goal is to get just one nutty Proberger to lie their way onto the jury so she can get a mistrial or (better yet!) an acquittal if that Proberger is especially adept at drawing others into their conspiracy mindset.

IMOO

Or possibly one person will make it onto the jury who is against the death penalty, especially now that the state of Idaho plans to use a firing squad as the mode of execution in death penalty cases. If that is the case, then I think that BK will likely be sentenced to life in prison without parole.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

So why hasn't AT launched a three-generational study? Presumably BK's family has filled in some holes in order for AT's "expert" to draw conclusions about BK should have/ could have/ wasn't diagnosed with as a child, lending to an adult diagnosis of ASDL1 which seems wholly anecdotal and largely theoretical as opposed to in any way comprehensive.

AT seems to have a handle on just how deeply she wants to explore BK's health, surely she's gotten fair input from BK's parents/siblings, so that just leaves his grandparents, for the third tier. She can stack the deck at the penalty phase, iiuc. Get a juror who feels bad because BK can't tie his upside down five laces. Get a juror who thinks BK was bullied (who doesn't think maybe BK was the bullier) and reacted badly. Get a juror who thinks BK's grammaw's bursitis gave BK tennis  elbow brain.

If AT believed there was anything in BK's family medical chart, she'd have gotten that report started eons ago. Executive function, order of operation. You farm out what can be farmed out. Run concurrent strategies. Feel out which experts other defendants are calling.

Even before Dateline aired, AT was obviously preparing to ask for a continuance. I don't see a double legitimate claim there. She's had time to conduct that study. She's had time to vet experts.

She's asking for an unspecified delay without providing a concrete need. A study she's had plenty of time to complete, which is nothing but a fishing expedition, and the judge previously ruled on extensions -- work harder, not faster, but also, work faster. Ask for resources, ask for staff.

Ineffective counsel? She argued for it -- had the time, capacity and wherewithal to do it, times two. She is competent. Clearly the judge is questioning her strategy but not her competence.

And appeals don't flow from defense strategy. You don't get a do-over just because you didn't get the outcome you wanted.

Judge Hippler is all over this. Polling her constantly, to get it on the record, that AT's actions are strategic, in nature. Judicial brilliance.

So why hasn't AT added staff, requested software, exhausted resources? Because she's Type A and a lone wolf, has to do it all herself? Because she let the time clock run too long? Or maybe, maybe because there's nothing left to find (in discovery, in BK's past) and that's not her interest. Maybe it's the appearance of excessive discovery, of missing discovery that is useful to her, to exploit.

Judge ain't having it.

JMO

Yes working the appearance of too much discovery. She asked for everything. Well the police collected all camera footage from absolutely everywhere they could.
An example, every security cam and ATM camera on Main St. heading south parallel to 95.
So like the police she needs her paralegals to work watching from the crime time out.
We know what that yields, a white Elantra entering Moscow before the crime and leaving Moscow after the crime. The remaining terabytes are traffic.
The police but maybe also have uncovered some footage matching BKs cell connections to Moscow Cell tower at reported night times, she could look at times those too to see if the footage yielded yet more footage of a white Elantra entering and leaving Moscow and driving around on Walenta and Ridge Rd.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Do you have any proof of that or is it just your opinion?

“I have since learned it was a coordinated effort” doesn’t sound like a mere opinion to me. MassGuy is IMO a reliable source who doesn’t mislead or confuse others with his statements, so I’ll trust him on this one.

 

[MassGuy]

Do you have any proof of that or is it just your opinion?

I didn't change my believe that it was taken down by the family based on that court hearing, to it was taken down due to mass reporting, by making a guess.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Mass reported? Do you know if it was a coordinated effort?

It would be pretty coincidental if the recent closed hearing attended by the Goncalves attorney and the Goncalves FB account being taken down were not related. IMO

I wonder how different the FB account is now that it has returned.

To sign into Facebook I had to do verify I wasn't a bot. Had to check all the boxes that had a crosswalk.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

I didn't change my believe that it was taken down by the family based on that court hearing, to it was taken down due to mass reporting, by making a guess.

Looking at FB, the family said " a group here on Facebook all decided to mass report The Goncalves family page, the page set up by Kaylees family sharing memories of her & her best friend, Maddie. This has led to the page being shut down." Just in time for Maddie May Day, celebrating Maddie's 24th birthday.

Probergers are gonna Proberger. IMO of course.

 

[GOBliaison]

Not really. Defense attorneys tend to receive things in drips, where there is not much to do, then get a huge amount of materials where there is tons of work - (1) If this has been their experience, then have some temporary hires waiting in the wings!?. To some extent this is controlled by the prosecution. In this case, where the prosecution has been slow to deliver the discovery and, delivered it in a(n) [allegedly?...and even that?] highly disorganized fashion, instead of the normally organized way most cases are received by the defense, the defense has had to organize materials which is highly unusual. - (2) So I should concede in this present instance:
(a) While the 'disclosure clock' is running against the prosecution; (b) the defense is clamoring: Quondo!, Quondo! (c) while parading kabuki fashion thru an unabating cascade of motions, (d) not a few of which are spun from a proprietary blend of "couda'/wouda'/shouda'", "alibi/soddi's" of the 'perhaps' variety, and/or creative "proofs of negatives"...

...despite all this and more...,

... a fair/decent prosecution ought to - for the defense - decipher, organize, catalog, index and collate their own investigative mare's nest? - Would three-ring binders and document protectors receive extra credit?

Usually the prosecution can’t wait to show the defense their case and offer highly organized materials that point to one thing: the defense attorney should strongly recommend a plea to their client.
IMCO, (1) this Kohberger case will never be "dealt", inasmuch as (2) its namesake would open a vein in his cell before he'd permit standing trial without the death penalty.
The fact BT did not do this makes me wonder about the strength of his case against BK, especially back in 2023 and it is possible that may be impacting the latter part of the discovery process as the defense is still requesting materials after discovery should be long complete.
In this situation a continuance should be granted, especially after the Dateline leak which must be investigated, especially after KM announced in the local interview I linked above, that the people at Dateline know “most” if not all of the prosecution’s case. IMO no more nor less than ratings-driven clickbait. Yikes! That doesn’t indicate a small leak to me. That is a major breach of professional ethics. I don’t know why KM said that, but, any investigator would take him at his word and go from there in investigating the situation. It is no longer just about the five data points I mentioned previously that were leaked on the Dateline show. Apparently the vast majority of the prosecution case has been leaked. This is a catastrophe.

And we don’t even begin to know what the over 300 people who were interviewed for the Patterson book* told him and his co-author. Can Judge Hippler delay the publication of that book? IDK.

JMO
And in every respect for my good self, doubly so.

* On my Christmas list, right under Original Sin. ​

 

[Arkay]

To sign into Facebook I had to do verify I wasn't a bot. Had to check all the boxes that had a crosswalk.

Clearly you aren’t from Pennsylvania, then! Given that you can identify the “crosswalk” thingamajig

 

[gremlin444]

Even before Dateline aired, AT was obviously preparing to ask for a continuance. I don't see a double legitimate claim there. She's had time to conduct that study. She's had time to vet experts.

Yup--she even said it at the April 9th hearing! Remember her towards the end telling the judge that if he didn't decide soon to drop the death penalty, she might have to file for a continuance at the last minute and wouldn't everyone hate that? Hippler was pretty hacked off at that.

 

[DizzyB]

Looking at FB, the family said " a group here on Facebook all decided to mass report The Goncalves family page, the page set up by Kaylees family sharing memories of her & her best friend, Maddie. This has led to the page being shut down." Just in time for Maddie May Day, celebrating Maddie's 24th birthday.

Probergers are gonna Proberger. IMO of course.

I hadn’t looked at the Goncalves family page in at least a year, just went through it. It’s a very positive page. You have to wonder about the people who decided it shouldn’t be up and made it their business to work on getting it removed.

 

[Sachi]

I hadn’t looked at the Goncalves family page in at least a year, just went through it. It’s a very positive page. You have to wonder about the people who decided it shouldn’t be up and made it their business to work on getting it removed.

There was content that was removed.

 

[al66pine]

Crosswalks on Capcha (or Equiv)

To sign into Facebook I had to do verify I wasn't a bot. Had to check all the boxes that had a crosswalk.

@MeadowMuffin
The very most approp. pix for you to distinguish in following this case.

 

[LinasK]

FWIW, just because Dateline just aired doesn't mean it was fresh information. Dateline could have been sitting on this episode for since the grand jury.

JMO

Yup! Just watched a 20/20 episode last night on Sherri Papini, and it was pure rehash. Nothing new in the entire episode. Except to promote the show on Monday where she's now accusing her ex-boyfriend.

 

[Chloegirl]

See

There was content that was removed.

I'm sorry I missed the content part of this (been busy). Could you categorize that content for us? TIA

 

[Sachi]

See


I'm sorry I missed the content part of this (been busy). Could you categorize that content for us? TIA

I didnt post the content, FB is not an approve source and I am sure if I do so, it will likely be removed. Right? And it's something that anyone can find on FB, if I did in a moment .

 

[LetsSolvIt]

The Goncalves Family Facebook page is back up. It had been mass reported a couple days ago, leading to it being taken down.

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I’m not on Facebook / SM.. Can you explain what “mass reporting” means? Why would it be taken down for that?

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May 25, 2025

Mass reported? Do you know if it was a coordinated effort?

It would be pretty coincidental if the recent closed hearing attended by the Goncalves attorney and the Goncalves FB account being taken down were not related. IMO

I wonder how different the FB account is now that it has returned.

I believed the same, that they took it down themselves based on the timing. I have since learned it was a coordinated effort though. I imagine they appealed and Facebook reinstated it.

• MassGuy

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I’m sorry, but don’t understand all this. Would you mind indulging me with a deeper explanation?

 

[Chloegirl]

I didnt post the content, FB is not an approve source and I am sure if I do so, it will likely be removed. Right? And it's something that anyone can find on FB, if I did in a moment .

Sorry not a FB person, thanks!

 

[Chloegirl]

Sorry not a FB person, thanks!

Okay I did a little YouTube dive and found that Kristi had a "Death Row" t-shirt on pointing to it on the FB page. Finally, understand.