4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

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Megnut said:
Perhaps he completed his replacement purchase. Just not necessarily thru Amazon. Or did a better job hiding the purchase, but not the knife.

Pretty damning to be looking for a Kbar before anyone knew about a knife/sheath. Pretty compelling if he was in possession of a duplicate weapon at arrest.
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Yes! Just because BK didn’t buy the replacement knife on Amazon, doesn’t mean he didn’t buy it elsewhere.

Also, if BK kept the murder weapon, then why would he search for a replacement knife on Amazon?

I guess he might have wanted a spare knife in case he had to suddenly dispose of the murder weapon but still wanted to murder at will.

Or perhaps he needed a replacement knife so he could enshrine (but not bury) his original murder weapon, never planning to use it again.

Either of these scenarios could explain how LE found the murder weapon at BK’s family home, yet he searched for (but didn’t buy) a replacement.

JMO
 
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Ghostwheel said:
That is the theory. I'm not sure the theory might not fall apart in a mass murder scenario. Similar to leaving the knife sheath behind. And leaving a shoe print that had at some point been through blood behind. (Assuming it was the killers) ;)
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Yes! Unless BK planned to leave behind the sheath and kill four people that morning, then he responded to a chaotic situation he hadn’t expected or prepared for.

Who knows what he was thinking as he sat on Xana’s chair in a state of adrenal exhaustion (per Gary Brucato in Dateline). He might have felt a sudden urge to get out of his kill suit, especially if he had just seen himself in the bathroom mirror next to Xana’s bedroom, as hypothesized by Gray Hughes in his animated reenactment of the murders.

IMO
 
Ghostwheel said:
That is the theory. I'm not sure the theory might not fall apart in a mass murder scenario. Similar to leaving the knife sheath behind. And leaving a shoe print that had at some point been through blood behind. (Assuming it was the killers) ;)
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Still, MOO i think he would "peel" by his car where a big hefty bag sat opened flat waiting for him.
 
PunishThenForgive said:
Yes! Just because BK didn’t buy the replacement knife on Amazon, doesn’t mean he didn’t buy it elsewhere.

Also, if BK kept the murder weapon, then why would he search for a replacement knife on Amazon?

I guess he might have wanted a spare knife in case he had to suddenly dispose of the murder weapon but still wanted to murder at will.

Or perhaps he needed a replacement knife so he could enshrine (but not bury) his original murder weapon, never planning to use it again.

Either of these scenarios could explain how LE found the murder weapon at BK’s family home, yet he searched for (but didn’t buy) a replacement.

JMO
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So it would not be suspiciously gone. He is surprisingly uneducated about online tracking.
 
Boxer said:
Still, MOO i think he would "peel" by his car where a big hefty bag sat opened flat waiting for him.
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We do know that BK had on the balaclava as he exited the house as DM saw him. I don't see him risking undressing inside either. It kind of defeats the purpose of suiting up to prevent DNA transfer.

BK was probably overwhelmed physically and emotionally (by adrenaline) and worried about the barking dog(s) and noise. Maybe he thought that one of the roommates DM, Xana, or even a neighbor may have called LE. He sure spun out tire tracks getting out of there.

What a cruel, evil coward BK is to attack sleeping victims. No criminal mastermind genius IMO.

JMO
 
PunishThenForgive said:
Same here! I also wonder how he would do all this undressing at his car if he parked close to the back patio instead of up the incline, behind the house. Anyone driving to the next door apartments might see him.

I hope we find out everything at trial. This whole experience of wanting to know exactly what happened, being a bit obsessed about it over the past 2.5 years, helps me almost understand the tragic hero of the (original) Franco-Dutch film, The Vanishing. At least I don’t have to perish at the hands of a sociopathic chemistry professor to have my questions answered.
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If he fancies himself smartest, perhaps he was foolish enough to remove his coveralls at the scene, and only accidentally stepped in a small amount of blood as he exited XK's room, resulting in the treadprint by DM's door.

JMO
 
AT said one person couldn't have done this crime and certainly not clumsy BK and cited cleaning up, implying that would be monstrous time consuming.

Did artful AT turn evidence around?

A missing towel purpose?

Which would support DM's impression of the murderer as he passed by her door. Carrying what she described as a handheld vacuum. Maybe a handheld knife, wrapped in a towel.

Did AT try to rewrite history, as if the killers grabbed a bath towel to clean mirrors, toilets and whatever else takes much time, when in actuality, a towel was missing?

Another Locard fail on BK's part?

Jmo
 
More new docs, nothing on continuance motion. Still getting the vibe that it's business as usual and there's a good chance the trial won't be delayed. Jmo



The Order below relates practical matters; jury questionnaire distribution at Ada County Court House prior to Voir Dire.




 

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger


5/28/2025


5/27/2025


5/23/2025



5/22/2025

5/14/2025


5/22/2025
5/21/2025

5/20/2025



6/2/2025
CANCELED Jury Trial (8:30 AM) (Judicial Officer: Christensen, Richard S. ;Location: Courtroom 3)
Vacated

6/18/2025
Hearing Scheduled (12:30 PM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

7/21/2025
CANCELED Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)
Vacated

7/30/2025
Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)


8/11/2025
Jury Trial (8:30 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)
 
Boxer said:
So it would not be suspiciously gone. He is surprisingly uneducated about online tracking.
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He never thought he would be identified.

If the killer stays unidentified, then no warrants issued...and thus no scrutiny of online searches.

The fatal mistake he made was leaving a tiny bit of his DNA on the sheath. He should have unsnapped it and submerged the whole sheath in alcohol.

However, he didn't do that. LE found the DNA so so the house of cards fell apart once they knew who to investigate.

it seems like there are a lot of cases where LE has A LOT of evidence.... just can't narrow the search enough to find who to investigate.
 
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Megnut said:
AT said one person couldn't have done this crime and certainly not clumsy BK and cited cleaning up, implying that would be monstrous time consuming.

Did artful AT turn evidence around?

A missing towel purpose?

Which would support DM's impression of the murderer as he passed by her door. Carrying what she described as a handheld vacuum. Maybe a handheld knife, wrapped in a towel.

Did AT try to rewrite history, as if the killers grabbed a bath towel to clean mirrors, toilets and whatever else takes much time, when in actuality, a towel was missing?

Another Locard fail on BK's part?

Jmo
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BK didn't need to wipe down anything un the house.. .except himself at the car.
 
I just cannot buy into the idea that BK stripped off his coveralls while still in the house. He was a criminology doctoral student. I have never taken a single class in criminology, but even I would know to take as many precautions as possible, not to leave my identity at the crime scene. Why even bother to buy the coveralls, if he was going to take them off before leaving the house? I think he got out of the house before he shed his killing attire, likely into a big contractor size trash bag, or into the shower curtain that was laid on the ground, and then it was carefully wrapped and thrown into the trunk of the Elantra. I cannot explain the single bloody footprint, but while I think it may have, I am not 100% sure that belonged to BK either.

I am also not convinced that it was BK that left the blood print on the chair or ottoman, or whatever it was. Not sure how likely he would have been to have enough blood on his backside to leave an impression. I think the blood more likely may have come from Xana, who may have stumbled onto the seat, after being initially wounded. JMO
 
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Ghostwheel said:
We discussed that a bit back. Why not? It would have been faster to strip down in the house and bundle everything up (in a bag even) than leaning against a car and trying to balance. Short of having the entire interior of the car covered with fairly heavy plastic, plus the door handle and his keys and, and and... he would be less likely to bring anything from the house into the car if he stripped before leaving.
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SteveP said:
I just cannot buy into the idea that BK stripped off his coveralls while still in the house. He was a criminology doctoral student. I have never taken a single class in criminology, but even I would know to take as many precautions as possible, not to leave my identity at the crime scene. Why even bother to buy the coveralls, if he was going to take them off before leaving the house? I think he got out f the house before he shed his killing attire, likely into a big contractor size trash bag, or into the shower curtain that was laid on the ground, and then carefully wrapped and thrown into the trunk of the Elantra. I cannot explain the single bloody footprint, but while I think it may have, I am not 100% sure that belonged to BK either.

I am also not convinced that it was BK that left the blood print on the chair or ottoman, or whatever it was. Not sure how likely he would have been to have enough blood on his backside to leave an impression. I think the blood more likely may have come from Xana, who may have stumbled onto the seat, after being initially wounded. JMO
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does anything think if XK would have played dead after the initial attack she may have survived?
 
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Justice101 said:
BK didn't need to wipe down anything un the house.. .except himself at the car.
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Didn't need to, (as a criminology student) should know not to, not what I'm suggesting is that AT didn't entirely invent cleaning up, that she she might be taking something real from the real evidence column, moving it over to her column to pretend it's something it's not. So I'm eager to see what truth comes out at trial that AT commandeered to support "cleaning up". Evidence he was in the bathroom, evidence of a towel or clothing missing, something.

I don't think for a second he did any actual cleaning, but he may have done something that AT is trying hard to re-frame.

JMO
 
MassGuy said:
Updated case summary:

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arielilane said:

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger


5/28/2025


5/27/2025


5/23/2025



5/22/2025

5/14/2025


5/22/2025
5/21/2025

5/20/2025



6/2/2025
CANCELED Jury Trial (8:30 AM) (Judicial Officer: Christensen, Richard S. ;Location: Courtroom 3)
Vacated

6/18/2025
Hearing Scheduled (12:30 PM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

7/21/2025
CANCELED Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)
Vacated

7/30/2025
Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)


8/11/2025
Jury Trial (8:30 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)
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As @MassGuy let us know yesterday afternoon by sharing a screenshot of the Current Case Summary, Anne Taylor submitted the Defendant’s Evidence in Support of Offer of Proof RE: Alternative Perpetrators by the deadline (last Friday, May 23).

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It doesn’t show up on the Idaho Cases of Interest page since it is sealed. If you only check that page, it’s not obvious that the motion and order to seal exist, either, since they are simply labeled Motion and Order to Seal Defendants Evidence.

Here’s the order to seal Taylor’s evidence in support of there being alternate perpetrators:


I had checked the Current Case Summary each day since the evidence was due, so I’m pretty sure it didn’t appear on the page until yesterday (two days after the Memorial Day holiday), when @MassGuy gave everyone the heads up.

So now we wait. Does Hippler accept the evidence as admissible? Will he wait to decide until the June 18 hearing?
 
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SteveP said:
I just cannot buy into the idea that BK stripped off his coveralls while still in the house. He was a criminology doctoral student. I have never taken a single class in criminology, but even I would know to take as many precautions as possible, not to leave my identity at the crime scene. Why even bother to buy the coveralls, if he was going to take them off before leaving the house? I think he got out of the house before he shed his killing attire, likely into a big contractor size trash bag, or into the shower curtain that was laid on the ground, and then carefully wrapped and thrown into the trunk of the Elantra. I cannot explain the single bloody footprint, but while I think it may have, I am not 100% sure that belonged to BK either.

I am also not convinced that it was BK that left the blood print on the chair or ottoman, or whatever it was. Not sure how likely he would have been to have enough blood on his backside to leave an impression. I think the blood more likely may have come from Xana, who may have stumbled onto the seat, after being initially wounded. JMO
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He'd have to be an absolute moron to strip off his coveralls inside the house, let alone inside a the crime scene, and a body one at that. It defies the very countermeasure he took. It asks Locard on a date and marries him.

But... if BK got bloodier than he ever intended, maybe something overrode his book learnin'. Akin to a panic attack. Get it off me, get it off me. Spot, spot, be gone. Why he wouldn't fear more witnesses, maybe it's just that whatever he was experiencing completely overcame him. He knew the door was open (unless XK closed it) so, if he was capable of calculation, maybe his calculus convinced him he was home free, no surfaces to touch, no blood to step in.

Maybe.... maybe he layered up, and peeling off the outermost layer left him with another layer he had been careful to protect. Lycra running suit. House was quiet, for the second, maybe he thought he'd killed everyone, undresses while rolling that layer around his knife, stripping again by his car and donning a fresh outfit before being into his car. Triple sterile protocol...

This is someone who brought his phone part way, turned it off, drove his own car to the crime scene, brought an apparently loose sheath which he left behind along with his own DNA, left a search history, bought a knife on Amazon with his own account and own gift card, left a worn trail between his house and 1122, searched for a replacement knife and sheath even before such a topic his MSM, and turned his phone back on, memorializing the exact time bracket during which the crimes occurred.

So I can't say he wouldn't be dumb enough to step out of his coveralls in the house.

He might be that dumb.

JMO
 
PunishThenForgive said:
Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article272531864.html#storylink=cpy

There may have been speculation about this here in the early days after BK’s arrest, but how do you think BK funded his “marijuana habit” and heroin addiction back in PA?

We know he was arrested at age 19 for stealing his sister’s phone to fund his heroin addiction.

Source: Idaho murders suspect was arrested in 2014 over sister's iPhone

I imagine him breaking into homes to steal, but there’s no record that he was caught that I know of.

Of course, he may have been a juvenile when he started needing extra money.

I suppose such break-ins are low priority and that few resources are expended to solve them. In that case, we shouldn’t be surprised that LE apparently found no evidence linking BK to prior crimes in PA once he was identified as the suspect in the Idaho murders.

Anyway, the subject of one of the videos that Dateline claimed BK watched was hot prowler extraordinaire, the Original Nightstalker (aka the Golden State Killer, Joseph DeAngelo).

DeAngelo wasn’t identified until 2018, so he may have been an early, mysterious role model for BK. If so, how fitting that BK, too, was eventually identified the same way—by investigative genetic genealogy.

IMOO
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www.spokesman.com

Pennsylvania friends, neighbors recall Moscow homicide suspect Bryan Kohberger's past

A dense, gray cloud settled above Monroe County in the first days of February, blocking the sun’s attempts to break through. More than a month since the U.S. shifted its gaze to this rural region, a shame has fallen over its residents, the result of an incomprehensible crime on the other side of...
www.spokesman.com www.spokesman.com

According to this article, BK worked at a pizzeria in 2013 and 2014. Also worked for a short period of time at the fish market. I've also read elsewhere that he worked at a BJ's Wholesale Club, in the produce and meat departments. I think that was in his job application for the LE position in Pullman. So that's the source of funds to purchase drugs.

Then the article goes on to say that he told a friend that he hadn't used drugs since 2016. Remember, he had just come home from rehab when he stole his sister's phone in 2014. He went to rehab twice, so the second time worked.


Kohberger worked at a roadside pizzeria formerly called the New York Pizza Girl in 2013 and 2014, Rich Pasqua, a Pleasant Valley High School graduate a few years older than the suspect, told Fox News and the New York Times last month.


Pasqua, 31, who today works at a drug rehab clinic in the area, said he and Kohberger would use heroin together.


“He didn’t have many friends, so he would do anything to fit in,” Pasqua told Fox News. “He was a big heroin addict, and so was I. … I work in treatment and everything, but back then I was using, and so that’s how I know for a fact he was using. I got high with him a couple times.”
 
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