4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[girlhasnoname]

The Bundy thing is really interesting, because when he committed the Chi Omega murders he was in a decompensation phase. He was melting down, and was no longer the meticulous, organized killer he was prior to that. That's not someone anyone would want to model themselves after, as it was a frenzied, high risk attack by an emotionally unraveling psychopath; he was so unprepared that he used a piece of wood that he came across, as a murder weapon.

Like Bundy, Kohberger entered and exited through an unsecured door (faulty lock for Bundy) in the rear of the house, and both had multiple victims.

What's interesting, is that serial killers tend to research other serial killers -at least the organized ones do. So I guess it's possible that Kohberger modeled his attack after Bundy's, but with a much higher level of planning.

What I lean towards though, is this accidentally becoming Bundy like, and then Kohberger embracing it after the fact.

Yes, and after that murder Bundy deviated even more from his MO (dark haired, similar looking college age students) to picking up that very young girl (11-13?) and killing her. Decompensating is a great way to phrase it Massy. BK seems to have been doing that on many levels at the time of the murders.

Decompensating refers to a state in which an individual or system can no longer maintain effective functioning due to overwhelming stress or demands. This term is often used in medical, psychological, and social contexts.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

What I lean towards though, is this accidentally becoming Bundy like, and then Kohberger embracing it after the fact.

I agree. If BK had studied Bundy, he would have known the Chi Omega murders were a chaotic mess done when Bundy was falling apart. It seems unlikely he would want to emulate that for his first murder. Then again, maybe he thought there was something "cool" about re-enacting it.

Question: Does anyone think he was already planning other murders in the future? He probably assumed he wouldn't be caught after this "spree" and began thinking about his next attempt?

 

[girlhasnoname]

I agree. If BK had studied Bundy, he would have known the Chi Omega murders were a chaotic mess done when Bundy was falling apart. It seems unlikely he would want to emulate that for his first murder. Then again, maybe he thought there was something "cool" about re-enacting it.

Question: Does anyone think he was already planning other murders in the future? He probably assumed he wouldn't be caught after this "spree" and began thinking about his next attempt?

I do believe he would have continued on murdering had he not gotten caught here.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I agree. If BK had studied Bundy, he would have known the Chi Omega murders were a chaotic mess done when Bundy was falling apart. It seems unlikely he would want to emulate that for his first murder. Then again, maybe he thought there was something "cool" about re-enacting it.

Question: Does anyone think he was already planning other murders in the future? He probably assumed he wouldn't be caught after this "spree" and began thinking about his next attempt?

Maybe he fancied himself smarter than Ted Bundy. Learn from him, correct his mistakes get away with it.

Thought crossed my mind he wanted to create a crime scene.

But mostly I think he's just not inventive. Sexually motivated violence by virtue of targeting a sleeping female victim in bed when she'd be most vulnerable and least able to fight back.

And he'd do it again.

JMO

 

[SteveP]

I agree. If BK had studied Bundy, he would have known the Chi Omega murders were a chaotic mess done when Bundy was falling apart. It seems unlikely he would want to emulate that for his first murder. Then again, maybe he thought there was something "cool" about re-enacting it.

Question: Does anyone think he was already planning other murders in the future? He probably assumed he wouldn't be caught after this "spree" and began thinking about his next attempt?

If BK was not already seriously thinking about attempting additional murders before the morning at King Road, I believe he very likely was after. I think murdering those innocent victims may have been the most exhilarating feeling he had ever experienced. You could almost see it in that creepy selfie that he took mere hours after leaving the bloodbath. I believe that he wanted more of that.

I believe King Road was something almost akin to an audition, trying out for a role he may want to continue playing. I believe that he eventually would have. JMO

 

[Betty P]

I do believe he would have continued on murdering had he not gotten caught here.

JMO

I agree. Like other SKs, I think he got a kick out of planning murders and re-experiencing them. That was the whole point of pursuing degrees in criminology - to get his kicks while learning more about how to do it without getting caught. It's present in his questioning of subject for his research project.

 

[MassGuy]

I agree. If BK had studied Bundy, he would have known the Chi Omega murders were a chaotic mess done when Bundy was falling apart. It seems unlikely he would want to emulate that for his first murder. Then again, maybe he thought there was something "cool" about re-enacting it.

Question: Does anyone think he was already planning other murders in the future? He probably assumed he wouldn't be caught after this "spree" and began thinking about his next attempt?

History says that he wouldn’t be planning to immediately attack again, as there is a psychological cooling off period, as well as practical reasons not to do that (fear of getting caught).

So if he was thinking about doing it again (I’m sure he would have), I don’t think he was remotely close to actively planning another one.

 

[Kudzuu]

Per Ethan's injuries it would make sense that BK would want to neutralize him immediately because of his size. In the dateline podcast of the documentary the guy explaining the psychological side of BK's attacks he mentioned that EC, being perceived as one of the 20 per cent of men who were attractive to most women BK had a special kind of hatred for him, hence the careful mutilation.

IMO, BK has some perverted sexual issues and that is why he had a big ultra masculine knife and perhaps, the way he used it.

Also if his intention was to kill 1 he had to be exhausted after killing 4. He may have needed some time to just get grounded and tune into escape mode .

IMO EC probably never knew what hit him. BK left his mark on him after the frenzy of killing like a brand of some sort. EC was in a house full of beautiful women. 2 of them he possibly didn't know were there. Imagine the rage, the jealousy from all his manosphere brainwashing. He gave them what they deserved in his twisted mind.

Ugh. Then he took a celebratory selfie.

 

[Megnut]

History says that he wouldn’t be planning to immediately attack again, as there is a psychological cooling off period, as well as practical reasons not to do that (fear of getting caught).

So if he was thinking about doing it again (I’m sure he would have), I don’t think he was remotely close to actively planning another one.

Agreed.

Plus he managed to blow up his public life. BTK managed a double life, doubtful BK could.

Look how much negative attention he drew to himself in a very short span of months at WSU. He's no TB, no BTK. He's nothing but an aspiring SK who has just enough knowledge to believe he knows everything.

And that is dumb.

JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

In my mind, if he went upstairs first, that would indicate he didn't plan on killing everyone. Footsteps and noises above are louder than those from below.

Just my 2 cents worth.

I still go with the common theory that he intended to kill one girl in bed but was surprised by the second one being there and made so much noise it brought attention from downstairs and those two were collateral damage so to speak.

JMO

It’s one or the other.
Sadly, either way, the result was the same.

 

[browneyes]

Oh I'm still leaning towards this being a single victim, but I do think he enjoyed the other killings, if not at the time, then after it was done. He would have relived this over and over during those ensuing weeks, and certainly still does.

KG's presence makes her collateral damage, and him bumping into Xana creates two more victims.

There are other possibilities though. I just can't fathom him thinking he could sneak from room to room, killing people without anyone else knowing. But I do think it's possible he intended to kill MM and KG in their respective rooms. That's something he could realistically expect to pull off, although it's still risky.

For all his surveilling, it would still be impossible to know exactly who slept where, and if they were prone to having overnight guests. That's why I really lean towards a single planned killing (just way too many variables).

I agree 100%. But I still can’t believe this cretin wasn’t smart enough to surveil the house on the night of the murders. There were 2 unknown vehicles parked there. It just boggles my mind that he would take that chance. I hate to break it to him, but he’s no Ted Bundy, thank god, however they both were caught. He’s messed up.

 

[browneyes]

If BK was not already seriously thinking about attempting additional murders before the morning at King Road, I believe he very likely was after. I think murdering those innocent victims may have been the most exhilarating feeling he had ever experienced. You could almost see it in that creepy selfie that he took mere hours after leaving the bloodbath. I believe that he wanted more of that.

I believe King Road was something almost akin to an audition, trying out for a role he may want to continue playing. I believe that he eventually would have. JMO

Not to mention, the news coverage. I’m sure he loved that.

 

[MassGuy]

I agree 100%. But I still can’t believe this cretin wasn’t smart enough to surveil the house on the night of the murders. There were 2 unknown vehicles parked there. It just boggles my mind that he would take that chance. I hate to break it to him, but he’s no Ted Bundy, thank god, however they both were caught. He’s messed up.

I think he kind of did surveil it, as he made multiple passes prior to the murders. I think he saw that the lights were off, and decided he was going to make his move.

 

[Megnut]

Plus he made a damning error IMO. He did see the DD vehicle and it's what caused him to adjust his approach, those three-point turns which reversed his vehicle in front of the security camera. Memorializing a white Elantra without a front license plate.

So, he may have been right that the DD was not apparently an adverdary, he was so very wrong.

He locked in timestamps.
He revealed no front plate, plus make and model and range of years
One roommate received a DD meal and wasn't asleep.

IMO when BK left Pullman and turned his phone off, he was committed to his mission. It must have had to be that night. Perhaps before his job completely imploded or before students started leaving early for Thanksgiving or before his birthday or while there was moonlight or before there was ample snow cover.

I don't know what was it was, but I believe he had a reason.

Pass 1, 2, 3 and part of 4 must have had obstacles -- party stragglers, lit windows, poor parking, DD....

And it was now or never for him. That house, that night, that room.

JMO

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Plus he made a damning error IMO. He did see the DD vehicle and it's what caused him to adjust his approach, those three-point turns which reversed his vehicle in front of the security camera. Memorializing a white Elantra without a front license plate.

So, he may have been right that the DD was not apparently an adverdary, he was so very wrong.

He locked in timestamps.
He revealed no front plate, plus make and model and range of years
One roommate received a DD meal and wasn't asleep.

IMO when BK left Pullman and turned his phone off, he was committed to his mission. It must have had to be that night. Perhaps before his job completely imploded or before students started leaving early for Thanksgiving or before his birthday or while there was moonlight or before there was ample snow cover.

I don't know what was it was, but I believe he had a reason.

Pass 1, 2, 3 and part of 4 must have had obstacles -- party stragglers, lit windows, poor parking, DD....

And it was now or never for him. That house, that night, that room.

JMO

Absolutely it had to be that night, a weekend night where he knew there would have been alcohol involved, making it a bit easier for him to complete his mission.
And the holiday was fast approaching, it was basically now or never.
Since he downloaded photos of friends of the girls off of Instagram, he certainly was aware of Maddie, who I think he was drawn to.
He probably didn't care about the extra cars, assumed they'd likely be asleep. I do find it puzzling why he'd enter the house when he did because of the DD car. Why not wait a little bit longer?
And I do believe he'd have gone on to murder again.

 

[Justice101]

He's no TB, no BTK. He's nothing but an aspiring SK who has just enough knowledge to believe he knows everything.

And that is dumb.

JMO

Quote of the week.

 

[Justice101]

Do we know as a fact (or thru logic) that BK would have seen the door dash driver's car?

Timeline?

 

[Megnut]

Absolutely it had to be that night, a weekend night where he knew there would have been alcohol involved, making it a bit easier for him to complete his mission.
And the holiday was fast approaching, it was basically now or never.
Since he downloaded photos of friends of the girls off of Instagram, he certainly was aware of Maddie, who I think he was drawn to.
He probably didn't care about the extra cars, assumed they'd likely be asleep. I do find it puzzling why he'd enter the house when he did because of the DD car. Why not wait a little bit longer?
And I do believe he'd have gone on to murder again.

Rbbm

I think he misjudged it. Decided it had nothing to do with 1122.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Do we know as a fact (or thru logic) that BK would have seen the door dash driver's car?

Timeline?

GH times it out. His theory is that it's the DD vehicle that accounts for BK's movements on his 4th approach.

If GH is right about the coordinates for the DD delivery aligning with the slider, it might further support why BK decided the DD vehicle was not a threat if the DD driver parked in the very place BK later parked. MOO

BK should be looking between houses, not being a great look and making a couple of passes



22 minute video

 

[Kudzuu]

Rbbm

I think he misjudged it. Decided it had nothing to do with 1122.

JMO

Good point. I think DDers drive their own vehicle. They hop out of the car run up and leave the food, take pic or not and dash away.

BK may not have seen him do that and not have realized JIB was delivered to the sliding glass door.

I may have that out of sequence with the 3 point turn.
Moo