4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #108

[LeahBee]

Yes! That clears the mystery of why he didn't see her . He was laser focused on leaving and didn't expect anyone else to be on that floor.

Poor DM!

He might have also had literal tunnel vision from an adrenaline rush. I've had several adrenaline rushes and the most intense one I literally lost my peripheral vision. I could only see my hands moving in front of me, like in a first-person shooter game. I was still "calm" in that I methodically took steps and actions to try to protect myself and other train passengers in a very horrifying situation, but all the edges of my vision were just blurred. Even in my memories of the event, it's quite bizarre. I had to Google it after and it's definitely a thing - BK could have been having a crazy adrenaline rush after what he did and not seen DM.

JMO

 

[gremlin444]

Thank you for this. But the time MM &KG were dropped off was later than when they were picked up. I'm thinking around 2 am.

Sorry, that was a typo due to trying to type around a cat hanging over my forearms.

around 1:40 MM and KG on Grub truck video.
around 1:45 KG texts the rideshare driver
1:53 rideshare driver picks girls up
1:55 or 1:56 MM & KG dropped off at home (Grub truck was less than a mile from house)
2:44 WSU surveillance cameras see BK's car leaving apartment area
2:47 last time BK's phone connects to cell network near his apartment and then shuts off

 

[AcerPacer]

Google says there is a RV who is associated with an HVAC company not far from BK’s hometown. No idea if it’s the same person. That could be interesting if related to the HVAC company being seen at 1122 in the days after the murders. I don’t think we have a clear reason why they were there.

And a MS who attended University of Washington and lives in Alameda?

 

[Megnut]

HVAC is more likely associated with his coursework when he switched to that field of study. JMO

 

[Megnut]

Is AT trying to line up everyone she can find who has something nice or neutral or not bad to say about BK? These new names have the defense stamp all over them IMO. BK had problems wherever he went, it seems. Awkward, aggressive, unwelcome with his advances... I don't see what value these witnesses would have for either the State or BK. Which is why it feels like it's got to be a defense move. And weak, at that.

However, if these are State's witnesses, perhaps they are on the list, to refute specific claims if AT makes them. As she suggests BK is incapable of certain skilled maneuvers, the State can bring in witnesses to refute it, all things BK may have done. In fact, I think this is a real possibility and it's AT who wants them suppressed.

HVAC.
Boxing.

Will there be anyone from the fish job he had?

This could get interesting.

Can't tie his shoelaces but he could gut a crappie.

JMO

 

[realanastasia]

Is AT trying to line up everyone she can find who has something nice or neutral or not bad to say about BK? These new names have the defense stamp all over them IMO. BK had problems wherever he went, it seems. Awkward, aggressive, unwelcome with his advances... I don't see what value these witnesses would have for either the State or BK. Which is why it feels like it's got to be a defense move. And weak, at that.

However, if these are State's witnesses, perhaps they are on the list, to refute specific claims if AT makes them. As she suggests BK is incapable of certain skilled maneuvers, the State can bring in witnesses to refute it, all things BK may have done. In fact, I think this is a real possibility and it's AT who wants them suppressed.

HVAC.
Boxing.

Will there be anyone from the fish job he had?

This could get interesting.

Can't tie his shoelaces but he could gut a crappie.

JMO

Interesting comments on social media (can’t link, with repect to TOS) suggesting RV may have been connected to BK’s purchase of the Elantra.Waiting for MSM confirmation but there is an RV who was a used auto salesman in the area where BK lived before moving to WA: Thinking of buying a used car?

 

[MassGuy]

Reading this, it appears these are defense witnesses. https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/med...4,2025-petition,summons,exhibits(vecchio).pdf

 

[Megnut]

Reading this, it appears these are defense witnesses. https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/med...4,2025-petition,summons,exhibits(vecchio).pdf

Then I'm calling it. She submitted a list with no instances to what they're going to testify to, resulting in this hearing at which AT will have to produce something, some good faith proffer that they have relevant testimony. That it needs a hearing says a lot. She's floundering.

JMO

 

[cujenn81]

I have thought a lot about this "carving" of Ethan. It gives me the heebie-jeebies to even suggest it, but what if the carving was not carving, as in initials or symbols, but was carving, as in a roast or turkey, literally slicing his calves, in multiple cuts, almost in layers. Not like one of his idols, perhaps, but every bit as evil, and possibly not quite as time consuming . JMO

I don’t know where I heard or read this (and it’s quite possible that my brain just made it up!), but I could have sworn something was said about Ethan’s Achilles tendons being cut. Like BK intentionally cut deep into that area of his legs to ensure Ethan couldn’t come after him. TBH, that actually makes a lot more sense to me — than random carvings. So maybe my brain did make it up ?

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Then I'm calling it. She submitted a list with no instances to what they're going to testify to, resulting in this hearing at which AT will have to produce something, some good faith proffer that they have relevant testimony. That it needs a hearing says a lot. She's floundering.

JMO

Are we surprised? One reason she's squawked about the Dateline episode is that it lays out a very compelling case that doesn't leave much room for a defense. He was there at the time of the murders based on his vehicle's movements and he was circling the house; he had a knife capable of the killings that matches a sheath with his DNA found under a victim; and a witness describes someone with his physical characteristics leaving the scene. And that doesn't account for forensic evidence that we don't know about that will come out at trial. Learning about the blood stain on the chair makes me wonder what else we don't know about. And I've never been convinced that anyone dumb enough to drive his own car, with a discernible difference to other cars of that make and color, over and over across state lines (hello FBI), to a neighborhood where he knows no one and has no business, didn't leave a trace of blood somewhere.

 

[iamshadow21]

Are we surprised? One reason she's squawked about the Dateline episode is that it lays out a very compelling case that doesn't leave much room for a defense. He was there at the time of the murders based on his vehicle's movements and he was circling the house; he had a knife capable of the killings that matches a sheath with his DNA found under a victim; and a witness describes someone with his physical characteristics leaving the scene. And that doesn't account for forensic evidence that we don't know about that will come out at trial. Learning about the blood stain on the chair makes me wonder what else we don't know about. And I've never been convinced that anyone dumb enough to drive his own car, with a discernible difference to other cars of that make and color, over and over across state lines (hello FBI), to a neighborhood where he knows no one and has no business, didn't leave a trace of blood somewhere.

Richard Allen didn't, and he's not exactly a brains trust. It's just luck, sometimes, not cleverness or finesse. Sometimes, the killer just wins out. Like a murderous Mr McGoo, not Moriarty.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Bryan Kohberger's past life looms with new witnesses in Idaho trial

In a new court document filed in Pennsylvania, five individuals were summoned to appear for a hearing to show why they should not be called to testify in the high-profile trial in Idaho this summer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Bryan Kohberger's past life is set to fall under the spotlight in his upcoming capital trial with several people in Pennsylvania now called to appear as witnesses in the case.

In a new court document filed in Pennsylvania, five individuals including his former professor at DeSales University and a woman who works at a boxing gym where he used to train were hit with summons connected to the trial.

The group was ordered to appear for a hearing on June 30 to show why they should not be called to testify in the high-profile trial in Idaho this summer.

Among the names on the list are DeSales University Professor Michelle Bolger - who taught the accused quadruple killer during his criminal justice Masters degree.

Others summoned as witnesses include Ann Parham, who was an advisor at Kohberger's school, and Jesse Harris, who works at a boxing gym where the suspect used to work out.

Two other mystery individuals - Ralph Vecchio and Maggie Sanders - have also been summoned.

It is not clear from the court documents what the purpose of their trial testimony would be - or whether they are being sought as witnesses by the defense or prosecution.

Woohoo, I've been waiting on this. Can't wait to hear what the Prof from DeSales has to say.

 

[girlhasnoname]

HVAC is more likely associated with his coursework when he switched to that field of study. JMO

BK was forced to switch to HVAC because of the incident with the female student which caused him to be expelled from the class he was taking. Red flags everywhere.

IMO

 

[Boxer]

Woohoo, I've been waiting on this. Can't wait to hear what the Prof from DeSales has to say.

What can she say?...On Zoom he was a model student.

 

[girlhasnoname]

What can she say?...On Zoom he was a model student.

Did BK never attend a class in person? She can testify to the content of his coursework and thesis. His general behavior while interacting with staff and students online? Had an abnormal fixation on MM and/or SK even for a CJ student?

I don't know, but I hope it helps paint a clearer picture of BK's mindset during that time.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Did BK never attend a class in person? She can testify to the content of his coursework and thesis. His general behavior while interacting with staff and students online? Had an abnormal fixation on MM and/or SK even for a CJ student?

I don't know, but I hope it helps paint a clearer picture of BK's mindset during that time.

JMO

True. His focus will be important. No one would think twice about his specific interests as a criminology student or suspect he was seeing things from the criminals persective.

 

[Megnut]

I could be wrong but these sound like character witnesses which I don't think have a place in the guilt phase of a trial.

The judge is generous IMO to give AT a hearing to whine it out.

I leave it to him to find a clever way to say, "save them for sentencing, Sister" for our book of happy Hipplerisms.

If the State can't bring in every person who had a weird encounter with weird BK, why would he allow the Defense to parade a bunch of people from BK's past who probably haven't got anything evidentiary to say?

BK is innocent because he came across as not unlikable a couple of times?

(Is it a sealed hearing?)

JMO

 

[pseudo_hum]

What can she say?...On Zoom he was a model student.

True, and that he never had a Jeffrey Toobin moment. IMO.

 

[Justice101]

I could be wrong but these sound like character witnesses which I don't think have a place in the guilt phase of a trial.

The judge is generous IMO to give AT a hearing to whine it out.

I leave it to him to find a clever way to say, "save them for sentencing, Sister" for our book of happy Hipplerisms.

If the State can't bring in every person who had a weird encounter with weird BK, why would he allow the Defense to parade a bunch of people from BK's past who probably haven't got anything evidentiary to say?

BK is innocent because he came across as not unlikable a couple of times?

Sealed hearing?

JMO

Totally agree with you.

Immaterial at this point for heresy witnesses not directly involved in the incident... months beforehand.

As we've all said, AT is fighting hard but has very very little to work with. BK probably told her anecdotally that these people would support him saying they couldn't believe he could be a murdered. Again, immaterial!

 

[minazoe]

new witnesses are going to be coming out in this case according to the DM. with more intimate deets on his life to be revealed.

Bryan Kohberger's past life looms with new witnesses in Idaho trial

In a new court document filed in Pennsylvania, five individuals were summoned to appear for a hearing to show why they should not be called to testify in the high-profile trial in Idaho this summer.

www.dailymail.co.uk