4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[Dotta]

Yep, the whole case hinges on DM's testimony, right???

Guys, please!
I'm only a messenger!
Help!

Aaaargh

 

[Cool Cats]

I've been thinking about this too. This has been used primarily in cold cases until now. Could they obtain warrants for an active case if all they have is the unknown DNA at the scene? Does it need to pass the constitutional hurdle first to do that? Have warrants been obtained in cold cases? I'm not sure. I think there may have been a few attempting to gain access to commercial databases like ancestry but that's the extent of it.
JMO

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• MadMcGoo
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[MassGuy]

Yep, the whole case hinges on DM's testimony, right???

I know, it’s insane. So what if her account was clouded by alcohol? It was a tiny piece of the puzzle, and not something I’ve ever cited in regards to his guilt.

 

[sunspun]

If BK had been stargazing throughout Moscow on a dozen other nights, why did he turn his phone off this night? That's a problem.

What I wonder is why he didn't just leave his phone back in his apartment when he allegedly drove to Moscow and committed quadruple murder? If he had left his phone at home, wouldn't LE just see that his phone stayed in one place all night long and it was his apartment where it was? You know, like most people's phones generally do all night every night, when most people sleep. If his phone data had shown them that it had stayed home all night, would they have been as sure about the rest of their (perfectly valid) circumstantial evidence pointing to him? Would they have been as confident in saying that blurry grainy car in the videos was a 2015 Elantra? (or whatever year it was)

What could have been SO crucial that BK couldn't have left his phone at home that night? I figure he wanted it for GPS, so he could take an unfamiliar route home and not get lost. And maybe he had found a place earlier to ditch some evidence, but needed to use his phone maps to get back to it. What else would he need it for?

Whatever it was, seems like he could have figured out a way around it without having to take his phone along for the ride. What would it matter if he got lost on his way home? Pretty sure he could eventually find his way home without his phone, even if it did take more time and effort. And if he really was THAT dependent on phone GPS or some other feature only his phone has, he could always have just bought a quick burner phone for the use of that night only and destroyed it. And then came home to his apartment without it, where he'd find his own phone patiently waiting there for him, having got a good night's sleep, instead of relentlessly recording incriminating data on his travels like it would if he took it with him. Like he did.

Wouldn't you have expected him to leave his phone at home that night? Or am I the only one who finds that surprising. Am I wrong in thinking that would have been the best thing for him to have done w/his phone that night?

Maybe he never thought to leave it at home that night, because he seriously never thought it would matter. Because he truly thought he would never be a suspect, much less THE suspect!

 

[SpiderFalcon]

Guys, please!
I'm only a messenger!
Help!

Aaaargh

I LOVE YOU!!!!! My typing fingers have a smart mouth, tho.....

 

[Cool Cats]

I know, it’s insane. So what if her account was clouded by alcohol? It was a tiny piece of the puzzle, and not something I’ve ever cited in regards to his guilt.

They are talking about what she heard, what she saw helped LE identify BK from his drivers license photo and license description. Her description fit BK to the point he could not be ruled out and made him become a suspect or person of interest.

And that's a fact Jack.

2 Cents

 

[sunspun]

@kfixler

ICYMI — Before Friday evidence hearing for #BryanKohberger, here's what happened yesterday in #Idaho4 case. The defense and prosecution said the @FBI did #DNA-IGG on 4 ancestry websites, and broke terms of service on 2, but is that a constitutional issue?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1882815897217491338

Why did they have to use all 4 of those sites? Just to be extra sure, like getting a 2nd opinion? (and 3rd and 4th)

Did each site all give them the same results?

ETA Reading a few more posts, I think my question here didn't make sense. They couldn't get same results from all 4, because he would've only used one site, right? So a result would've only come from one site and not the others? And so that's why they used all 4 sites was because they were trying to find the one that had results for him? I.e., the one that he had used himself?

Maybe I'm still in the dark, but I think that made sense now, unlike before. Maybe someone'll let me know though!

 

[Cool Cats]

Guys, please!
I'm only a messenger!
Help!

Aaaargh

Point taken

 

[MassGuy]

What I wonder is why he didn't just leave his phone back in his apartment when he allegedly drove to Moscow and committed quadruple murder? If he had left his phone at home, wouldn't LE just see that his phone stayed in one place all night long and it was his apartment where it was? You know, like most people's phones generally do all night every night, when most people sleep. If his phone data had shown them that it had stayed home all night, would they have been as sure about the rest of their (perfectly valid) circumstantial evidence pointing to him? Would they have been as confident in saying that blurry grainy car in the videos was a 2015 Elantra? (or whatever year it was)

What could have been SO crucial that BK couldn't have left his phone at home that night? I figure he wanted it for GPS, so he could take an unfamiliar route home and not get lost. And maybe he had found a place earlier to ditch some evidence, but needed to use his phone maps to get back to it. What else would he need it for?

Whatever it was, seems like he could have figured out a way around it without having to take his phone along for the ride. What would it matter if he got lost on his way home? Pretty sure he could eventually find his way home without his phone, even if it did take more time and effort. And if he really was THAT dependent on phone GPS or some other feature only his phone has, he could always have just bought a quick burner phone for the use of that night only and destroyed it. And then came home to his apartment without it, where he'd find his own phone patiently waiting there for him, having got a good night's sleep, instead of relentlessly recording incriminating data on his travels like it would if he took it with him. Like he did.

Wouldn't you have expected him to leave his phone at home that night? Or am I the only one who finds that surprising. Am I wrong in thinking that would have been the best thing for him to have done w/his phone that night?

Maybe he never thought to leave it at home that night, because he seriously never thought it would matter. Because he truly thought he would never be a suspect, much less THE suspect!

I like the idea of him maybe needing it for GPS or something. Had he left it at home, he'd have a much better shot here (he'd still be screwed by the DNA, but it would help). He could claim he was sleeping, and the car caught on surveillance wasn't his.

I think he had some sort of post murder staging area, a location where he could dispose of evidence. He might have even had a couple locations. I can't imagine he hadn't thought this part through. So maybe he needed his phone for that or something.

 

[MassGuy]

Guys, please!
I'm only a messenger!
Help!

Aaaargh

HAHAHA. Nothing to do with you. I was about to post that article myself, which is why I had that screenshot ready.

 

[iamshadow21]

Why did they have to use all 4 of those sites? Just to be extra sure, like getting a 2nd opinion? (and 3rd and 4th)

Did each site all give them the same results?

Every site has a different pool of users, and therefore a different pool of DNA profiles.

MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

Idaho killings: Victim’s father reacts to DNA evidence challenge​

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/kohberger-evidence-dismissal-steve-goncalves/

“They’re definitely throwing everything out and trying to get some chance,” Goncalves said. “That is (his lawyer’s) job. She has to do everything. She has to exhaust every avenue that she possibly has, so we don’t take it personal.”

He said he thinks Thursday’s hearing was favorable for the prosecution.

“We try to work with the prosecution to make sure that we’re all on the same page. And yeah, I think they have a strong case,” Goncalves said.

 

[Cool Cats]

And look at all the stuff the defense is trying to keep out. It doesn’t end there…

Judge will end it I believe.

 

[LinasK]

I don't know if this will be helpful or not, but I thought I'd ask AI about this issue. (I used Copilot for the first time; I've only used ChatGPT before. Didn't see any difference, if you're interested!)
And I'm a few pages behind in the thread, so by the time you read this, you may already have moved on from this topic or whatever, so sorry if this isn't relevant anymore! I'm catching up!)
So here's the conversation we had:
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me:Well, I had a question about forensics.

Forensics can be a fascinating and complex field! What specific question do you have about forensics? Are you interested in crime scene investigation, forensic science techniques, digital forensics, or something else? Let's dive into the details you're curious about.

me:This is pretty specific... if a piece of evidence in a murder case is made of leather, and they test it for DNA, will the results returned ever include bovine DNA?

Yes, it's possible for DNA testing of leather evidence to include bovine DNA. Leather is often made from animal hides, including those of cows (bovine)1. When forensic scientists test leather for DNA, they might indeed find bovine DNA, especially if the leather comes from cowhide.

However, the type of DNA that survives in leather is usually mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) rather than nuclear DNA, as mtDNA is more resilient and can be amplified for testing. This means that while bovine DNA can be detected, it might be limited to mitochondrial DNA rather than the full genetic profile1.

Does this help clarify your question, or is there something more specific you'd like to know about forensic testing of leather?



me:Would the results ever mention bovine DNA that might have been found, when they release and publish the results? Or would they not mention it because it's irrelevant to a murder case in which no cows are suspected?

In most cases, the forensic report would focus on human DNA evidence that's relevant to the investigation. However, if bovine DNA were detected during the testing process, it might be mentioned in the technical details or the methodology section of the report to ensure transparency and accuracy in the documentation. This information could be important for understanding the source and condition of the evidence.

That said, if bovine DNA is deemed irrelevant to the case (i.e., no cows are involved in the murder), it would likely not be highlighted as a significant finding in the conclusions or summaries of the report.

Forensic scientists strive to provide clear and relevant information to assist in legal proceedings, so they would prioritize evidence that directly pertains to the case.

Is there a specific scenario or detail you're curious about in relation to this? I'd be happy to dive deeper into the topic.

me:So if bovine DNA is not mentioned in the published results, that shouldn't mean they didn't actually find any?

Correct, the absence of a mention in the published results does not necessarily mean that bovine DNA wasn't detected. The focus of forensic reports is usually on evidence directly relevant to the case. If bovine DNA is considered irrelevant to the investigation, it might not be highlighted in the summary or conclusions of the report. However, it could still be documented in the technical details or methodology section.

Forensic scientists aim to provide a comprehensive and clear picture of the evidence that directly impacts the case. So, if bovine DNA doesn't contribute to solving the crime, it might not make it to the final report's main findings.

Are you curious about a specific case, or is this more of a general inquiry? I'm here to help with any other questions you might have!

me:It's the Kohberger quadruple murder case from Idaho, where the state claims they found his DNA on a knife sheath found under a victim's dead body.

Ah, the Bryan Kohberger case. It's a high-profile investigation involving the tragic deaths of four University of Idaho students. The prosecution claims they found Kohberger's DNA on a knife sheath at the crime scene2. The defense is challenging the use of Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG) to identify Kohberger as a suspect, arguing that it violated his constitutional rights2.

In this context, if bovine DNA were found on the knife sheath, it might not be mentioned in the published results unless it was relevant to the case. The focus would be on the human DNA evidence that ties Kohberger to the crime scene.

Thank you! Hopefully this clears up this discussion.

 

[katydid23]

What I wonder is why he didn't just leave his phone back in his apartment when he allegedly drove to Moscow and committed quadruple murder? If he had left his phone at home, wouldn't LE just see that his phone stayed in one place all night long and it was his apartment where it was? You know, like most people's phones generally do all night every night, when most people sleep. If his phone data had shown them that it had stayed home all night, would they have been as sure about the rest of their (perfectly valid) circumstantial evidence pointing to him? Would they have been as confident in saying that blurry grainy car in the videos was a 2015 Elantra? (or whatever year it was)

What could have been SO crucial that BK couldn't have left his phone at home that night? I figure he wanted it for GPS, so he could take an unfamiliar route home and not get lost. And maybe he had found a place earlier to ditch some evidence, but needed to use his phone maps to get back to it. What else would he need it for?

Whatever it was, seems like he could have figured out a way around it without having to take his phone along for the ride. What would it matter if he got lost on his way home? Pretty sure he could eventually find his way home without his phone, even if it did take more time and effort. And if he really was THAT dependent on phone GPS or some other feature only his phone has, he could always have just bought a quick burner phone for the use of that night only and destroyed it. And then came home to his apartment without it, where he'd find his own phone patiently waiting there for him, having got a good night's sleep, instead of relentlessly recording incriminating data on his travels like it would if he took it with him. Like he did.

Wouldn't you have expected him to leave his phone at home that night? Or am I the only one who finds that surprising. Am I wrong in thinking that would have been the best thing for him to have done w/his phone that night?

Maybe he never thought to leave it at home that night, because he seriously never thought it would matter. Because he truly thought he would never be a suspect, much less THE suspect!

It would have been a smart move----maybe. But once they found his DNA, even if his phone was there charging all night, they'd have looked at ring cameras and cctv and interviewed neighbours, and likely would have established that his car was gone from his personal spot. And if he was out driving at 3am, but left his cell at home, that'd be very suspicious too.
And with his DNA, they'd be able to get warrant to check his car. There might be indications within computer system that his car was used the night before. He could try and claim it was stolen, and someone else used it. But would a car thief return it?

I'm not sure it would have helped him that much in the end.

 

[INfisherman]

Yet

No. God, please, just no.

 

[girlhasnoname]

And yet many murderers purchase their murder weapons and cleanup supplies on surveillance cameras at Walmart. We have a running joke about that now when we shop at Walmart.

Agreed, Walmart surveillance video has single handedly help convict a large number of them, yet they continue to go there to purchase their supplies. I guess they're trying to save a dollar in the commission of their crimes.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yet

I can't even stand the thought of it going there. I don't think Judge Hippler would put up with any shenanigans by the Defense like we recently encountered in another case. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

"New court testimony
that could see Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger
walk free at trial."

New court testimony that could see Bryan Kohberger walk free

Alleged Idaho quadruple-killer Brian Kohberger's defense team is fighting to get the roommate of the victims' testimony thrown out of his murder case in a move that could help him walk free.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Clickbait Headlines IMO, but they do get the best pictures. BK still gives me goosebumps looking at his eyes.

 

[Kemug]

And yet many murderers purchase their murder weapons and cleanup supplies on surveillance cameras at Walmart. We have a running joke about that now when we shop at Walmart.

I remember David Eisenhauer & Natalie Keepers. Brian Walshe. Who else?