4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[sunshineray]

Stmt by Mr. Goncalves'

snipped for focus @Cool Cats. Thx for posting link & quote from Mr. G.

Earlier Mr. & Mrs. G. criticized the prosecution on various points, even up to time 1122 King was razed. Maybe beyond?

Now, in a Jan 23 story? "We try to work with the prosecution to make sure that we’re all on the same page."

Try to work with the prosecution. TRY?
What "work" was Mr. G. referring to?

^ Suggests imo the G's may still have some unresolved concerns. ^
A bit puzzling but I may be misinterpreting.

The parents are devastated. All this, what I'd call baloney, stuff from the hearings has got to be very upsetting to them, I can't imagine. I think they want to know more than LE/prosecutors can share with them and that has put them at odds sometimes. I do think they support LE's efforts though even while hating the secrecy that's necessary. </3

 

[MassGuy]

I'm not disputing that. What I want to know is was the date changed before or after they identified BK? It makes a difference because it suggests that if they already had BK on their radar, then an argument can be made they changed the date to fit the suspect.



Well, you may think it's unsupported by "common sense," but given how many posters have now posted this, I completely disagree. I'd also add that I haven't seen anyone post that they received IGG back before changing the date. I asked if they had gotten the tip from WSU before changing the date. That is not the same.



That they changed a key piece of the case after a potential suspect was identified? I never stated that as fact. I asked it as a question and stated that it weakened the case if that was the case. You said LE changes things all the time, so I'm asking in which other cases have they changed things after ID'ing a suspect and been successful? Because if the answer is zero, then I maintain that it would hurt the case if that's what happened, IMO.



Assuming the killer is BK and BK alone.

MOO.

The AA doesn't even list a date. It says that WSU Police were looking for a white Hyundai Elantra, as Moscow Police requested.

On the 29th of November, they located that car, and identified it as belonging to BK.

It doesn't appear that anything happened with this until later, perhaps after IGG came back. But the fact remains, they came up with his name based on the information provided by MPD (even if the wrong year was provided at the time).

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

The AA doesn't even list a date. It says that WSU Police were looking for a white Hyundai Elantra, as Moscow Police requested.

On the 29th of November, they located that car, and identified it as belonging to BK.

It doesn't appear that anything happened with this until later, perhaps after IGG came back. But the fact remains, they came up with his name based on the information provided by MPD (even if the wrong year was provided at the time).

That wasn't my question. My question was the timing of the change of date. That's all. IMO, the date was changed AFTER the WSU tip. I can't find it in the MSM though.

MOO.

 

[Chimera]

IMO it would be fitting after he is convicted and sentenced to death his last meal should be a steak medium rare. Sorry but am out of sympathy for BK and these families have fought too long for justice. And apologies from the jail because we were out of vegan meals. Justice!

Agreed !
Anyway, why can't he just be served what the rest of the jail is served ?

Eta : Some people have an allergy where the food needs to be prepared with care lest the inmate fall ill.
IF BK doesn't have anything he's allergic to, he shouldn't be getting special treatment.
Omo.
Imo.

 

[Arkay]

I didn't dispute that. I said that information does not equal evidence. Not all information is evidence and in this case, just based on what's been released to the public, very little of the information is actual evidence.

MOO.

Not all information that is gathered produces valuable evidence, but it is certainly impossible to discern what is evidentiary without first combing through reams of precursory information.

Then LE has to separate the wheat from the chaff.

IMO we as outsiders really have no clue as to which information tumbles into the buckets of evidence vs. what is discarded.

A white Elantra is information. Pullman is information.

As LE fine-tunes the info that flows in, their case gets tighter. They study what at first is mere information and the picture becomes clearer…literally and figuratively. They have the opportunity to determine what year is correct for the Elantra as their experts clarify the videos. They realize Pullman is an easy drive from Moscow.

They sort through what is the likely weapon. They establish what DNA does not fit in that house by going through all that random information, and then alight upon foreign DNA in what should be an obscure snap on a knife sheath buried beneath a dead young woman.

Information leads to evidence.

I agree with those who believe LE has more evidence than we know about. They always do.

I do not believe they just decided to pick on some poor Ph.D student who has a disconcerting affect. I believe there is plenty of info turned evidence that will turn into justice.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

Agreed. I believe he is the main reason the gag order was required in the first place. JMO

Doubtful, IMO. Most likely the defense was first and foremost the reason. The families are just trying to find justice and justice moves very slowly. The toll that takes on them is overwhelming at times I'm sure </3

 

[iamshadow21]

Agreed !
Anyway, why can't he just be served what the rest of the jail is served ?

Eta : Some people have an allergy where the food needs to be prepared with care lest the inmate fall ill.
IF BK doesn't have anything he's allergic to, he shouldn't be getting special treatment.
Omo.
Imo.

If you're picturing delicious salads, that really isn't what he's getting.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/banfield/source-inmates-glad-kohberger-keeps-to-himself/

Vegan isn't really that big an accommodation, from what I've read. A lot of religious dietary needs are accommodated with a generic vegan option. So, vegans would be getting the same as Jewish people, Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus in a lot of places.

MOO

 

[Kemug]

I remember that Natalie Keepers (the Nicole Lovell murder) needs some special diet too. I wonder if she is getting it. Are there any special laws about this? Surely prison services can't be expected to provide special meals for every single person who wants them. And, IMO, why should their "human rights" be pandered to, when their victims had all their rights horrendously taken from them?

 

[Cool Cats]

What you said was "There is so much evidence that AT had mentioned having someone help her organize it."

Did AT say she had to have someone help her organize "evidence" or help her organize information? I don't recall her saying that.

It is called evidence/discovery in court. Yes, evidence/discovery is also known as information but courts call it discovery/evidence.

Bryan Kohberger's attorneys maintain DA is slow-walking evidence

Bryan Kohberger, who stands accused of killing four University of Idaho students, was in court Thursday for a pretrial hearing where witnesses testified about the collection of evidence and cellphone data.

www.fox13seattle.com

Defense attorneys for Kohberger have accused prosecutors of not turning over all the evidence they had during their discovery process, which the state denies. AT complains she needs to hire someone to sort the evidence for her because "it is like a snow globe

"Discovery is being given to us like we are living in a snow globe," a defense lawyer told Idaho Judge John Judge.

 

[Boxer]

Agreed !
Anyway, why can't he just be served what the rest of the jail is served ?

Eta : Some people have an allergy where the food needs to be prepared with care lest the inmate fall ill.
IF BK doesn't have anything he's allergic to, he shouldn't be getting special treatment.
Omo.
Imo.

He is arrested not convicted.

 

[Boxer]

It is called evidence/discovery in court. Yes, evidence/discovery is also known as information but courts call it discovery/evidence.

Bryan Kohberger's attorneys maintain DA is slow-walking evidence

Bryan Kohberger, who stands accused of killing four University of Idaho students, was in court Thursday for a pretrial hearing where witnesses testified about the collection of evidence and cellphone data.

www.fox13seattle.com

Defense attorneys for Kohberger have accused prosecutors of not turning over all the evidence they had during their discovery process, which the state denies.

"Discovery is being given to us like we are living in a snow globe," a defense lawyer told Idaho Judge John Judge.

As I recall they are asking for the enormous amount of data.

 

[snooptroop88]

BK's defense of "stargazing" reminds me of "Stargazy Pie".

Stargazy pie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You know, perhaps others resent the idea of pie with fish heads and their beady little eyes protruding from beneath the crust, staring up the diners as they attempt to stick a fork in... Some may feel this isn't appropriate in association with BK. I do, though. When I see those fish heads, I picture BK staring up at me as I'm about to dig my fork in.

It's not American pie. It's Stargazy pie!! Bye bye, Mr. Stargazy Pie...

Well again this is just my .02 , Bryan is waiting for his defense to come up with what could be a fabrication.
Or something.
The knife sheath is a big problem for BK.
I think his goose is cooked.
Sorry for the young victim's families to hear what BK's atty. comes up with.
Omo.

Agreed. That's why I think this stargazy pie is so apt. We can figuratively stick a fork in BK and his alibi, LOL. He can't even eat the stargazy pie, we'd have to find a vegan substitute for fish heads. (And cook it in specified pans.)

 

[Cool Cats]

As I recall they are asking for the enormous amount of data.

Yup.

information in digital form that can be transmitted or processed

 

[Chimera]

He is arrested not convicted.

Yes, you're right.
But the meal plans for BK don't need to be special.
That's what I was trying to point out.
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

You know, perhaps others resent the idea of pie with fish heads and their beady little eyes protruding from beneath the crust, staring up the diners as they attempt to stick a fork in... Some may feel this isn't appropriate in association with BK. I do, though. When I see those fish heads, I picture BK staring up at me as I'm about to dig my fork in.

It's not American pie. It's Stargazy pie!! Bye bye, Mr. Stargazy Pie...

Agreed. That's why I think this stargazy pie is so apt. We can figuratively stick a fork in BK and his alibi, LOL. He can't even eat the stargazy pie, we'd have to find a vegan substitute for fish heads. (And cook it in specified pans.)

Thought I knew quite a bit about food, as I love to cook and bake.
This is the first time I've heard of, 'Stargazey pie' !
So thanks for this vital bit of information.
Some small humor always helps.
Fingers crossed that the prosecutors have everything they need.
I do believe they have got their man.
Justice is coming.
Omo.

 

[mickey2942]

I remember that Natalie Keepers (the Nicole Lovell murder) needs some special diet too. I wonder if she is getting it. Are there any special laws about this? Surely prison services can't be expected to provide special meals for every single person who wants them. And, IMO, why should their "human rights" be pandered to, when their victims had all their rights horrendously taken from them?

It is annoying. I read that one state has done away with "last meals" for death row inmates. Why should they merit special treatment for their last meal?! It isn't like their victims were catered to, and pampered.

A last supper on death row: Should America give murderers an extravagant final meal?

What death row inmates can choose for their last meal varies a lot, highlighting American ambivalence around capital punishment.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Boxer]

Yes, you're right.
But the meal plans for BK don't need to be special.
That's what I was trying to point out.
Omo.

I mean MOO if a person who is arrested needs a special diet or etc. it seems reasonable to provide it.

 

[iamshadow21]

I mean MOO if a person who is arrested needs a special diet or etc. it seems reasonable to provide it.

An encarcerated person should receive a certain level of duty of care. They're in an institution, and their wellbeing is completely in the hands of that institution.

I have no problem with BK getting vegan meals. It's not like he's getting five star meals, he's getting rice and beans and vegetables that are probably boiled to greyness, in the fine tradition of institutions everywhere in the English speaking world. Powdered mashed potatoes and sad grey peas and not a herb or spice to be found.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

Ok, focusing on this one "Maybe that the blood of others at a murder scene be investigated more thoroughly?"

What do you mean by this? What specifically did they not do that you would have expected them to do?

This is a great point Mass.

Plenty of leads and theories go nowhere. Why do we even think the killer's blood would be at the crime scene?

 

[Nila Aella]

This idea that they miraculously got IGG back in two weeks, identified Kohberger,
and then settled on the precise model year, is utter nonsense, unsupported by evidence and common sense.

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There would be evidence of when IF the fbi would have saved their IGG work (like they are supposed to) and produced it in discovery. The agents who did this work know the date. The commuinications they had will show the date. Or do they all "not recall" the date of the most important turning point in their investigation?

Instead: No names on who did the work.
No date on when it was done.
No description of what was done.
Nye said in his argument: they didn't do anything wrong.
How does he know? Does he have more information?
Does he have information that the D doesn't have?

When did LE discover the Ridge Road image?

The first lab's invoice was dated Nov 29th.

JMO
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