4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[Boxer]

I've always wondered if he took his phone because he wanted to take pictures / video recordings?

I don't think his intention was to set out and murder four people, or maybe even one person. It's possible he wanted to creep in only the room of one person whom he thought was sleeping and maybe harm that person, maybe taking photos? Would he have been known as the masked knifepoint attacker in his 'vision' of how it went down?

Agree with it probably started as the idea of a hot prowl rape.
But the surprised by two people instead of one, he found was good at killing defenseless people, and it escalated before getting out of the area became his focus.

MOO about the phone though, he would know if the phone is on its doing things, but he seems to have missed that the police also look for windows of phone off time coinciding with a crime.

 

[Sor Juana]

What I THINK I recall immediately after the murders is all the talk of its being a party house, with innumerable people coming and going. I also THINK I recall that most of the guests had been tested for DNA.

Even if I’m mixed up about this, yes unknown bloody male DNA seems startling at first glance. However, blood could come from anything at a party house, and to me the integral puzzle piece is WHERE Bryan’s DNA was found.

You’d really have to go out of your way, if you’re innocent, to get your DNA on the sheath snap of the murder weapon found tucked underneath one of the victims.

RSBM.

When DNA matches, it can be disputed if it comes from skin cells or similar sources. If the DNA is from blood or bodily fluids, it carries more weight. Surface DNA is easily transferable by objects or clothing, making it a debatable topic in court. JMO.

 

[schooling]

Yes it is new info (to me at least) that 2/3 of the unknown male DNA samples were from blood.
I don't discount the sheath DNA, and agree that is the main one. I am just shocked that unknown blood samples at the scene weren't more thoroughly investigated.

There’s also a good 10,000 other Elantra’s they could have looked into too. If you listen to the defense 100,000 white cars. Dozens of people driving around that night. Thousands with their phones turned off. Hundreds in that house at one point or another.

You go where the strongest leads tells you to go because you can’t possibly go everywhere. If that was the case, almost every person currently incarcerated would have a case.

If and when (I believe he will be) BK is convicted he’ll have the appeals court. I’m of belief that the appeals court looks at this and says that the rest of the evidence is compelling enough to say that he’s at least 1 of the killers (I believe he’s the only one) and nothing material would change at trial.

MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

RSBM.

When DNA matches, it can be disputed if it comes from skin cells or similar sources. If the DNA is from blood or bodily fluids, it carries more weight. Surface DNA is easily transferable by objects or clothing, making it a debatable topic in court. JMO.

I doubt it.

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[MassGuy]

RSBM.

When DNA matches, it can be disputed if it comes from skin cells or similar sources. If the DNA is from blood or bodily fluids, it carries more weight. Surface DNA is easily transferable by objects or clothing, making it a debatable topic in court. JMO.

I've followed cases where I've said myself that touch DNA doesn't carry a lot of weight, based on what the item was, who reasonably could have come in contact with it/transferred someone else's DNA onto it.

This is not one of those cases. Not by a mile.

That DNA was limited to a snap on the sheath, and there is no plausible way it could have somehow been transferred. There is no connection to that house, nor to the victims.

In cases where touch DNA becomes dubious, the case gets weaker when you dig into a potential suspect. Here, it only got stronger and stronger.

 

[mickey2942]

Why did BK waive his right to a speedy trial? He is a young man, languishing time in prison. Surprised he didn't want his trial as soon as possible. After all, if he is innocent, he would not have anything to worry about...

Idaho Murder Suspect: What We Know About Bryan Kohberger

Bryan Kohberger is charged with murdering four Idaho University students. Here is what we know so far about the Idaho murder suspect, who studied criminology.

people.com

 

[Cool Cats]

Why did BK waive his right to a speedy trial? He is a young man, languishing time in prison. Surprised he didn't want his trial as soon as possible. After all, if he is innocent, he would not have anything to worry about...

Idaho Murder Suspect: What We Know About Bryan Kohberger

Bryan Kohberger is charged with murdering four Idaho University students. Here is what we know so far about the Idaho murder suspect, who studied criminology.

people.com

I can't think of any DP cases that did not waive speedy trial. They are so darn slow and complicated. Usually the attorney convinces the client they need alot more time to raise a credible defense and research all the evidence plus do a million other things.

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[gremlin444]

This is exactly the sort of thing I would love to know. Is there some aspect that would allow them to determine if blood has been there for hours/days as opposed to months/years? I really don't know anything about that sort of testing. It would be fantastic to have @10ofRods input on the matter.

So, it doesn't appear, in my research, that there are many standard ways of evaluating the age of a blood stain because of how temperature, surface and storage affect the sample. Multiple kinds of tests are being worked on and are used by different labs. However, there is one fact that seems to be pretty standard:

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/pr/160880_unit_2.pdf pg 113

" older stains gave more intense and longer-lived luminescence than fresher ones, because more met-Hb and hematin has formed in the older stains." re: using luminol to detect blood

other tests being evaluated:
2024 a listing of current methods being looked into

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169743924001126

2023 the dipeptide Phenylalanylalanine (PheAla) can be considered as a promising candidate for Time since Deposition prediction.

https://analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dta.3480

2021 age estimation of bloodstains by exploiting the color variations over time due to the oxidation of the blood

Short and Long Time Bloodstains Age Determination by Colorimetric Analysis: A Pilot Study - PMC

Bloodstains found at crime scenes represent a crucial source of information for investigative purposes. However, in forensic practice, no technique is currently used to estimate the time from deposition of bloodstains. This preliminary study focuses ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I feel badly for the parents of the victims. Their children's killer sits in jail, demanding vegan food, and other accommodations, while his attorney does everything possible to get evidence dismissed.

That would be so frustrating and difficult.

Oh I agree, and I too feel awful for all of them, but my original post still stands. SG was incredibly vocal and didn't seem able to take into account the damage his actions could possibly cause for the State's case, understandle in his grief, but still at least one of the reasons for the gag order IMO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Yes, and it's not even remotely close. Are you saying they should have done the IGG on blood on a banister, as opposed to an item the killer absolutely had to touch?

SBMFF. I'm not seeing anyone say "as opposed to..." I think the argument comes back to what some of us have been saying since January 2023. I, for one, hope that LE was thorough and exhaustive in its investigation and didn't just zero in on BK because he drove an Elantra and was weird. MOO

 

[Sundog]

Well - AT is going to try and destroy evidence, and witnesses. So i think the jury will understand the defense is doing that.
Her sighting was confirmed by latent footprints.

I don't believe that AT is going to try to destroy witnesses. She will acknowledge that DM said in her own words that she wasn't sure about what she heard that night. It will be up to the jury to decide on the witness' credibility.

Edited to complete the post.

 

[MassGuy]

SBMFF. I'm not seeing anyone say "as opposed to..." I think the argument comes back to what some of us have been saying since January 2023. I, for one, hope that LE was thorough and exhaustive in its investigation and didn't just zero in on BK because he drove an Elantra and was weird. MOO

They zeroed in on a guy who left his DNA on an item directly related to the murders. His car fit, his cell phone data was beyond damning, and then it got super weird from there (when they dug into his background).

Which is kind of what you'd expect, when you're talking about a quadruple murderer with no connection to the victims.

The process they went through to find him is so logical that it makes my heard hurt that people could argue otherwise. That's the world I live in though, logical reasoning based on evidence. It works.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Information is the foundation of evidence...verified. Many small but verified pieces of information can prove motive and guilt. MO

I didn't dispute that. I said that information does not equal evidence. Not all information is evidence and in this case, just based on what's been released to the public, very little of the information is actual evidence.

MOO.

 

[Chimera]

I've followed cases where I've said myself that touch DNA doesn't carry a lot of weight, based on what the item was, who reasonably could have come in contact with it/transferred someone else's DNA onto it.

This is not one of those cases. Not by a mile.

That DNA was limited to a snap on the sheath, and there is no plausible way it could have somehow been transferred. There is no connection to that house, nor to the victims.

In cases where touch DNA becomes dubious, the case gets weaker when you dig into a potential suspect. Here, it only got stronger and stronger.

Bbm.
Agreed.
Imo-- it places him at the scene 100 %, since obviously no one else in the house knew him and would've brought BK's knife sheath inside the house, nor anywhere near it.
There is no reason for anything of Bryan's to be in that house.
Omo.

 

[iamshadow21]

I think if she wasn't sure at the time if what she was seeing was real, which I believe is what happened, I can see her trying to explain that later when she found out what had happened, to explain why she hadn't called LE or come out of her room to check, but I think it's safe for us to assume now, after we know what happened in the house, that her basic statement is correct. She thought she saw a man in black walk past her door at a certain time, and we know that she did.
I mean what are the chances of her coincidentally hallucinating or dreaming about a man all in black, about the same build as BK, with bushy eyebrows, at the exact same time as her room mates were murdered, and a sheath containing none other than BK DNA is left underneath the body of one of said roommates, right around the same time that BK is coincidentally driving around the neighbourhood?
I mean, really?



Exactly!



I think they decided the footprint was important because it was right outside the door where one of the surviving roommates reported seeing an intruder.

The footprint was in blood.

We know this because they used Amido black to develop it.

And you can bet they know that it's victim blood, through DNA testing.

That makes it relevant not just through where it was found, but that whoever left it trod in wet victim blood, enough of it to leave a footprint some distance from either of the rooms where the victims were.

Every single person who entered that house that morning, civilian and LE, would have had their shoes checked to account for footprints left in the initial response period.

They know this footprint was left by the person the surviving housemate saw, because there isn't anyone else unaccounted for.

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

I didn't dispute that. I said that information does not equal evidence. Not all information is evidence and in this case, just based on what's been released to the public, very little of the information is actual evidence.

MOO.

I respectfully disagree in that information builds/create evidence so it winds up being evidential, when verified. That's how I look at it anyway, MO

 

[Chimera]

Why did BK waive his right to a speedy trial? He is a young man, languishing time in prison. Surprised he didn't want his trial as soon as possible. After all, if he is innocent, he would not have anything to worry about...

Idaho Murder Suspect: What We Know About Bryan Kohberger

Bryan Kohberger is charged with murdering four Idaho University students. Here is what we know so far about the Idaho murder suspect, who studied criminology.

people.com

Well again this is just my .02 , Bryan is waiting for his defense to come up with what could be a fabrication.
Or something.
The knife sheath is a big problem for BK.
I think his goose is cooked.
Sorry for the young victim's families to hear what BK's atty. comes up with.
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

The footprint was in blood.

We know this because they used Amido black to develop it.

And you can bet they know that it's victim blood, through DNA testing.

That makes it relevant not just through where it was found, but that whoever left it trod in wet victim blood, enough of it to leave a footprint some distance from either of the rooms where the victims were.

Every single person who entered that house that morning, civilian and LE, would have had their shoes checked to account for footprints left in the initial response period.

They know this footprint was left by the person the surviving housemate saw, because there isn't anyone else unaccounted for.

MOO

Bbm.
I was under the impression that LE have the shoes BK was wearing that night ?
I'm reading back through this and other threads to try to catch up.
Imo.

 

[arielilane]

-- BK the suspect accused of murdering four University of ID students
-- BK changed his license plates just a few days after the crime was committed
-- BK’s DNA found on the knife sheath at the King Rd residence.
-- The vehicle was in the area of the King Rd residence, where the murders occurred, early morning hours of Nov. 13.
-- BK was allegedly rummaging through his garbage (putting his trash into separate Ziplock baggies) wearing latex gloves in his parents’ PA home when police arrested him on Dec. 30.
-- BK tried to evade LE by putting his trash from his parents’ home into neighbor’s trash bin.

I cant imagine traces of BK aren’t all over the crime scene. Come trial, we shall see.

All an opinion

 

[Chimera]

@arielilane ; If LE had more dna or other evidence of BK at the scene, would they have released it by now ?
I'm also assuming prob. not, the prosecution would hang onto it until trial.