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4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98
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Could you please link to the hearing with a time stamp to prove this assertion as I don't recall Sy Ray saying "All the phone data is exculpatory to BK". I think your specific assertion is likely misrepresenting what Sy Ray said and is false but ICBW so I am requesting a link and time stamp. TIA.
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I'm confused, why do you think BK left the house and then came in to go upstairs a second time?
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Thanks for clarifying
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1. Dylan did not say 5'10" or better - she said, "taller than me" (5'8") and skinny. There was no 'athletically built.' Not a match for Bryan, especially since she was unable to recognize him from a photo. In subsequent interviews Dylan said she really wasn't sure what she remembered, and may have been dreaming.
Irrelevant. All that matters is the man she saw is consistent with KB. Timing is also relevant.
2. Also, that shoe print, which was never matched to BK, was right along the threshold of her door - which is enough off the natural path, and almost stepping on her, that it looks to be her own shoe print after clean-up.
"Own shoe print after clean up?" Are you seriously accusing those witnesses of being killers?
3. If someone did go out the slider, then there is strong evidence of a second perp who exited the crime scene out the front door - there was a blood smear on the railing and the front door was seen standing wide open at around 8am by a neighbor.
There is no evidence of a second perp, and everything points away from it. A random, undated, smear of blood on a railing means nothing. If the perpetrator cut himself, then there should be blood in other locations, and not isolated to a railing. This argument will surely collapse once we hear the details. It was not "ignored" though, as people are baselessly claiming. There is nothing in the PCA about the front door being open. This sounds like something a neighbor reported, and we have no idea if it's even true (the time could be off).
4. The glove found in the front lot did have blood which did not match BK - or anyone else.
No evidence this glove is related, nor do we know what type of glove this was. Again, we'll be hearing a lot more about this, and it won't have the same weight once we do.
5. Also of interest is Brett Payne's (he no longer works for MPD,) admission that he only just recently received a letter calling for a hard SWAT entry to the home, when the original order was for a knock and announce.
I can't believe they ever considered a knock and announce, especially considering what they caught him doing when they did raid the house. You take him when he's outside, or you take him in the house with force. There's no in between. He's a potentially armed and dangerous quadruple murder suspect.
6. The FBI admitted to violating the terms of service for the private genetic genealogy websites.
Those terms are absolutely meaningless. They were legally allowed to do what they did, and I'm sure pretty much everyone is thrilled they pulled out all the stops here.
7. The PCA mis-stated (according to the state's own records,) the time when BK's phone went out of range, by seven minutes. They did not have the video for that intersection, in that timeframe which would indicate his direction, but instead drew a blue line on a map to suggest he drove to Moscow.
If I recall, the prosecution didn't get into the weeds by attacking the defense argument. They just said "even if this were true." That's not confirmation, and even if it was, those 7 minutes changed absolutely nothing. It's in no way exculpatory, as he had plenty of time to arrive at the house when the killings occurred.
8. <modsnip - OP was not an approved source>
9. Dylan heard Kaylee run downstairs and run back up again. The PCA had everyone in a deep sleep whereby BK could dispatch them quickly and silently - but that was not true.
She thought she heard this, and even if she did, it's what she interpreted occurring. Which is it? She's too drunk to be reliable or she's reliable when it's convenient?
10. Communications show that they were only able to identify the make and model of the white car from a single image on Ridge (I think,) which was a 2011-2013. Not BK's car?
It was dark, they had grainy footage, and the year was open to interpretation. They put out an interdepartmental message in regards to a white Hyundai, and WSU police came up with Kohberger's name about two weeks later.
11. Somehow the dog sat in a bedroom during all of it and never left the room with the door open. Didn't have a drop of blood on him.
So? regardless of who the killer is, this is what the dog did. Most of the time you would expect the dog to leave blood trails, but there are cases where that doesn't happen (like the Amanda Antoni case). Maybe the doors to the murder rooms were closed.
12. DM and BF it sounds like were texting each other while all of this was happening. 'If' this is true......did they attempt to text MM, KG, or XC during all of this?
Why does this matter at all?
Again, just my opinion and I am not saying BK is innocent
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Exculpatory evidence can show by the testimony of Sy Ray, CSLI expert. [Mr. Kohberger intends to offer testimony of Sy Ray, CSLI expert, (cell tower, cell phone and other radio frequency, curricula vitae is attached) to show that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device was south of Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow, Idaho on November 13, 2022; that Bryan Kohberger’s mobile device did not travel east on the Moscow-Pullman Highway in the early morning hours of November 13th, and thus could not be the vehicle captured on video along the Moscow-Pullman highway near Floyd’s Cannabis shop.]
Additional information as to Mr. Kohberger's whereabouts as the early morning hours progressed, including additional analysis by Mr. Ray will be provided once the State provides discovery requested and now subject to an upcoming Motion to Compel. If not disclosed, Mr. Ray's testimony will also reveal that critical exculpatory evidence, further corroborating Mr. Kohberger's alibi, was either not preserved or has been withheld.
This was from April 17th 2024.
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If you read back from OP, just theorising on who DM may have heard on the stairs per AT in latest hearings. A theoretical exercise.
1. Not irrelevant and may help the defense get the Franks hearing
2. Not accusing anyone but why only one latent footprint? Where is the track leading to that latent footprint?
3. There's literally blood DNA evidence of up to TWO other perps.
4. No evidence it the glove was not related.
5. - 11. just creating more reasonable doubt
12. It matters b/c the defense may be able to paint the picture that they knew what was going on and did nothing.
Look all I am doing is showing you that those hearings in my opinion could of helped the defense create reasonable doubt.
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For those who weren't able to watch any of the two-day semihearing, this is a good summary. 30 minutes.
".... every day and twice on Sunday...." Love, love, love this judge!
ETA to add the link
".... every day and twice on Sunday...." Love, love, love this judge!
ETA to add the link
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Please link to hearing with a time stamp.
As noted, you asserted:
"Sy Ray has already said under oath all the phone data is exculpatory for BK. "
Also where are you quoting from above? This text doesn't have Sy Ray saying "all phone data is exculpatory to BK". It looks like you may have taken the defense notice of alibi doc and passed it off as your own interp of that hearing without acknowledging that the above is actually from a filed court document?
So again, please provide a link to the unsourced filing above and also to support your original assertion.
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Snipped by me:
This is an argument being made here that even the defense isn't making. If they could, they would. One facet of Franks is to argue that the warrant was obtained with false information--if the PCA changed what DM actually said, the defense would be presenting it to argue for a Franks motion. They didn't.
JMO
We don't know that DM described BK as "skinny". AJ said this in court without DM's interview in front of her--she was paraphrasing what DM said. The defense took no issue with DM's description in interviews versus what was written in the PCA. That tells us the PCA is likely the correct summary of DM's description.
This is an argument being made here that even the defense isn't making. If they could, they would. One facet of Franks is to argue that the warrant was obtained with false information--if the PCA changed what DM actually said, the defense would be presenting it to argue for a Franks motion. They didn't.
But the defense says that KG or MM did not run downstairs and back up again. So do you believe DM or the defense?
JMO
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Hopefully the defense doesn't cite the following study...
"Our DNA can easily be transferred from item to item or from one location to another, even if we never touched the item ourselves or were never at the scene of the crime. One study showed that after two people shook hands and then each handled a separate knife, in 85% of cases, the DNA of the other person was transferred to the knife and profiled. In one-fifth of the samples, the DNA analysis identified this other person as the main or only contributor of DNA to the weapon."
Forensic Genetic Genealogy Searches: What Defense Attorneys & Policy Makers Need to Know
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That doesn't contradict what I said, IMO
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It's something some with OCD do, particularly a hoarding subtype.
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I request again that someone please cite another case in which this happened and they successfully got a conviction.
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Please don't misrepresent what I said. I didn't say LE gets only one shot. I asked if the car pointed to the suspect or if the suspect pointed to the car. That's a very different thing that LE getting only one shot or not understanding how investigations work.
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FWIW Mirphy may have absolutely in fact been in a room with an open door. Inside a crate.
Making the first statement technically true but a giant sin of omission.
AT may have provided the first statement for public consumption. Think about it. She hadn't even met the burden for a Frank's hearing, and IMO still hasn't. Yet she verily begged the judge to livestream the hearing, under the auspice of BK having a right somehow to counter public perception.
Look at all the new details she rolled out, conveniently outside the gag order.
The State isn't playing ball. Isn't trying their case in the court of public opinion nor in the intermediate hearing-court. They're waiting for trial. Where experts have been vetted, where evidence is deemed admissible, where witnesses are questioned under oath on cross and direct.
I have full confidence that, at trial, we will learn why Murphy didn't venture out that doo, we'll learn why two samples of male blood DNA weren't run through CODIS (or turned over to IGG) and my guess -- degraded, irrelevant (due to location) -- what path BK took in exiting the house and even whose blood was memorialized in that footprint.
For the purposes of a warrant, LE didn't need to emphasize every footprint left by the individual who stepped in blood. The significant one is the one outside DM's door, because it corroborates her recollection.
It's probably the case that the killer left bloody footprints down the hall, each getting less visible until invisible to the naked eye. It's not logical to assume LE found one and only one latent footprint. Or that it came from the direction of the survivor's own bedroom. LE simply highlighted the most relevant print, in a line of them.
It might be the case that LE doesn't have cinema-quality footage of the Elantra. That's not a fault of the investigation. Nor is it a basis for exculpation. It just means there are limits to quality. LE will buttress those images with timing, including the terminal ends which occur, start to finish, at the parking lot where BK lived. They apparently have daytime footage of BK at the store the following day, pairing him, his phone and his car, so the jury isn't left to speculate blindly. Solid inferences can be drawn.
It'll be the jury who decides what evidence is important and won't waste their time trying to invent doubt piece by piece. But will instead -- as instructed by the Court -- look at the totality of the evidence they value, hold it up against reasonable doubt, and render a verdict accordingly.
If BK bought a Kbar knife from Amazon, he'll save the jury about three days of deliberation.
BK left no room for the murderer to be anyone but himself.
JMO
Making the first statement technically true but a giant sin of omission.
AT may have provided the first statement for public consumption. Think about it. She hadn't even met the burden for a Frank's hearing, and IMO still hasn't. Yet she verily begged the judge to livestream the hearing, under the auspice of BK having a right somehow to counter public perception.
Look at all the new details she rolled out, conveniently outside the gag order.
The State isn't playing ball. Isn't trying their case in the court of public opinion nor in the intermediate hearing-court. They're waiting for trial. Where experts have been vetted, where evidence is deemed admissible, where witnesses are questioned under oath on cross and direct.
I have full confidence that, at trial, we will learn why Murphy didn't venture out that doo, we'll learn why two samples of male blood DNA weren't run through CODIS (or turned over to IGG) and my guess -- degraded, irrelevant (due to location) -- what path BK took in exiting the house and even whose blood was memorialized in that footprint.
For the purposes of a warrant, LE didn't need to emphasize every footprint left by the individual who stepped in blood. The significant one is the one outside DM's door, because it corroborates her recollection.
It's probably the case that the killer left bloody footprints down the hall, each getting less visible until invisible to the naked eye. It's not logical to assume LE found one and only one latent footprint. Or that it came from the direction of the survivor's own bedroom. LE simply highlighted the most relevant print, in a line of them.
It might be the case that LE doesn't have cinema-quality footage of the Elantra. That's not a fault of the investigation. Nor is it a basis for exculpation. It just means there are limits to quality. LE will buttress those images with timing, including the terminal ends which occur, start to finish, at the parking lot where BK lived. They apparently have daytime footage of BK at the store the following day, pairing him, his phone and his car, so the jury isn't left to speculate blindly. Solid inferences can be drawn.
It'll be the jury who decides what evidence is important and won't waste their time trying to invent doubt piece by piece. But will instead -- as instructed by the Court -- look at the totality of the evidence they value, hold it up against reasonable doubt, and render a verdict accordingly.
If BK bought a Kbar knife from Amazon, he'll save the jury about three days of deliberation.
BK left no room for the murderer to be anyone but himself.
JMO
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All I am sure of is that vegan diet may cause low iron, and low iron is implicated in OCD/tics. How it is implicated in his psychopathology I am not sure. BK has a history of opiate use. He said that Moscow was good for shopping. What would you shop for in Idaho as opposed to WA? Not marijuana. Maybe he was driving there at nights because of own relapse? That is not impossible. The rest is unclear. The behavior in cause of a relapse is not clear. We have a scanty PCA; the areas around fraternities are often problematic, Sunday is when people are partying.
The situation is very vague. I do feel that BK’s “utilization” of neighborhood dumpsters is related to OCD. And, I have a feeling that he might be of a “serial killer” type, but attacking four people is inexplicable, at least to me. We don’t know much about the case. Very sorry for the four kids, but because they do indeed need justice, this case needs to be reviewed very carefully, and all potential versions, never closed unless we know the truth.
@mickey2942 Thanks for reading & commenting on my post.
Did not intend to opine about what kind of food that BK or other inmates should or should not receive but to summarize court rulings requiring jails to make accommodations for inmates' of religions which dictate certain dietary restrictions.
These court rulings - good, bad, or indifferent - my input was not sought.
Yes, hard on the families.
Yes, in growing up, BK had many privileges.
Teacher in a prison years ago? I imagine it must have been very difficult and scary. Thank you very much
for doing that and for your kind gestures like baking cakes.[edited to remove an unrelated post which somehow wandered into my response. I was initially unaware of it]
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