4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #99

[MassGuy]

Tonight's episode of 20/20 involves touch DNA, in case anyone is interested. A man was murdered, and his wallet stolen. Police swabbed the victim's pocket, because they figured the killer would have reached in there to remove it.

All they had to go on at the time was a white Ford Focus, which was seen driving suspiciously around the time of the murder. They chased down those cars, but to no avail. Eventually they got a CODIS hit on the DNA, and further research indicated that the contributor was involved in a traffic stop a couple weeks after the murders. That car was also a white Ford Focus (he was the passenger).

Things snowballed from there...

What does that case sound like? White car spotted near the scene of a murder. Touch DNA on an item the killer had to touch...

ETA: In that one, the odds of the DNA matching anyone other than the suspect was 1 in 270 quadrillion. In this case, we're talking about 5 quintillion. A quintillion, is a billion times larger.

Testing has come a long way in the past 15 years.

 

[Sor Juana]

Lol. They have him dead to rights. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean the majority of people can. This all fits together perfectly. The more you dig, the better the case gets. The opposite should happen if that DNA means nothing.

BBM

Well, luckily, criminal cases aren't decided by majority vote.

 

[Gigiky]

BBM

Well, luckily, criminal cases aren't decided by majority vote.

Hmmm, Is it not the majority vote of a jury of 12 that decides a criminal cases outcome. JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Hmmm, Is it not the majority vote of a jury of 12 that decides a criminal cases outcome. JMO.

Has to be unanimous. I mean, that's technically a majority, but you'd never word it that way.

 

[Gigiky]

BBM

Well, luckily, criminal cases aren't decided by majority vote.

I know it has to be Unanimous. But a vote no less.

 

[al66pine]

Aug 21, 2022 Traffic Stop.

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665 / Latah County CR29-22-2805

Case Summary (Updated 02/06/25)

• 02/04/2025 Notice of Intent to Use IRE 404b Evidence

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

@arielilane Thanks for the update & link.

There was a traffic stop vid of BK in Pullman/Moscow area by a female LEO IIRC. The recording captured BK saying basically he didn't think he committed a violation, trying to worm out of a citation by MANSPLAINING to her that Penn. traffic laws were different, etc. Again, IIRC.

The stop above would seem to be a different one from the stop by Corporal Darren Duke in the Notice below. Anyone see the vid below or know what BK was cited for below?

Or could I be misremembering the vid I saw a looong time ago? Anyone?

From AJ's Notice in link by @arielilane:
"Video of traffic stop occurring at West Pullman Road/ Farm Road in Moscow, Idaho on August 21, 2022, involving Bryan Kohberger and Latah County Sheriff’s Office Corporal Darren Duke (discovered as AV000100);
"• Citation LTC3290000084 issued regarding same traffic stop (discovered as Bates 13012-13013)."

 

[MassGuy]

Many of the cases we follow have staggering coincidences when it comes to the accused, all of which you'd have to believe are merely coincidences.

Here we have:

Kohberger's DNA on the knife sheath.
He drives a white Hyundai, and a white Hyundai is spotted on camera.
He just so happens to be out driving within the time window that would allow him to commit this crime, and it's the middle of the night no less.
His cell phone happens to go dark during the beginning and end of his trip, which coincides with the timing of the murders.

And there's more where that came from...

This should say “his cell phone happens to go dark BETWEEN the beginning and end of his trip.

Regardless, we’re playing “the coincidence game” we always play in cases like this.

At some point even the most skeptical person has to realize that these aren’t coincidences.

We’ll get there.

 

[Megnut]

Aug 21, 2022 Traffic Stop.

@arielilane Thanks for the update & link.

There was a traffic stop vid of BK in Pullman/Moscow area by a female LEO IIRC. The recording captured BK saying basically he didn't think he committed a violation, trying to worm out of a citation by MANSPLAINING to her that Penn. traffic laws were different, etc. Again, IIRC.

The stop above would seem to be a different one from the stop by Corporal Darren Duke in the Notice below. Anyone see the vid below or know what BK was cited for below?

Or could I be misremembering the vid I saw a looong time ago? Anyone?

From AJ's Notice in link by @arielilane:
"Video of traffic stop occurring at West Pullman Road/ Farm Road in Moscow, Idaho on August 21, 2022, involving Bryan Kohberger and Latah County Sheriff’s Office Corporal Darren Duke (discovered as AV000100);
"• Citation LTC3290000084 issued regarding same traffic stop (discovered as Bates 13012-13013)."

He was stopped for turning on a red light. Different than the stop the Prosecution plans to use for trial iiuc.

Keep talking, Bryan.

 

[INfisherman]

Aug 21, 2022 Traffic Stop.

@arielilane Thanks for the update & link.

There was a traffic stop vid of BK in Pullman/Moscow area by a female LEO IIRC. The recording captured BK saying basically he didn't think he committed a violation, trying to worm out of a citation by MANSPLAINING to her that Penn. traffic laws were different, etc. Again, IIRC.

The stop above would seem to be a different one from the stop by Corporal Darren Duke in the Notice below. Anyone see the vid below or know what BK was cited for below?

Or could I be misremembering the vid I saw a looong time ago? Anyone?

From AJ's Notice in link by @arielilane:
"Video of traffic stop occurring at West Pullman Road/ Farm Road in Moscow, Idaho on August 21, 2022, involving Bryan Kohberger and Latah County Sheriff’s Office Corporal Darren Duke (discovered as AV000100);
"• Citation LTC3290000084 issued regarding same traffic stop (discovered as Bates 13012-13013)."

You’re not misremembering. He was pulled over for entering the intersection too soon, before oncoming traffic had exited the intersection & turned on the red light.

ETA Megnut beat me to it.

 

[Megnut]

Maybe no one ever told him he couldn't enter people's houses at night.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe no one ever told him he couldn't enter people's houses at night.

JMO

Maybe that's something they do in Pennsylvania, like the intersection law he talked about to the police officer.

You creep around strangers homes at night, and leave them a little present in their bed. Like a sheath or something. That explanation for his DNA being there would be just as useless as what he has now, which is nothing.

I've got to think the gears are spinning in his head, and he's trying to figure out a way to explain that.

 

[Megnut]

Maybe that's something they do in Pennsylvania, like the intersection law he talked about to the police officer.

You creep around strangers homes at night, and leave them a little present in their bed. Like a sheath or something. That explanation for his DNA being there would be just as useless as what he has now, which is nothing.

I've got to think the gears are spinning in his head, and he's trying to figure out a way to explain how he could explain that.

Which came first? I've often wondered if he purchased the knife in order to commit a crime or if purchasing the knife led him to it. I like to think he's haunted by that DNA. It seems to me, if the crime was already in his mind when he purchased the knife, he'd have taken impossible care not to touch it ungloved. If however he got the knife before he confidenced to use it to kill, he may have caressed it plenty -- careful, Bryan, you'll go blind -- and then cleaned it within an inch of its life prior to carrying out his mission. I can imagine him striving to keep it pristine... except for (my speculation) that One Time when he first got it, when that snap was unforgiving and he had to slip off a glove just to break that initial snap, sometimes things like that can be so damn stubborn, straight from the tanning factory.

Snap, crackle, pop.

Next thing you know, you're in jail. Hate that when your DNA tells on you.

JMO

 

[SlimPickens]

The DNA could quite possibly be excluded. Allegedly was obtained without a warrant and from a genealogy source that explicitly doesn't permit law enforcement to utilize it. If the DNA is ultimately excluded, then *everything* that stems from it is excluded. "Fruit of the poisonous tree". He will not be convicted without it. JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

The DNA will quite possibly be excluded. Appears it was obtained without a warrant and from a source that explicitly doesn't permit law enforcement to utilize it. If the DNA is ultimately excluded, then *everything* that stemmed from it is excluded. "Fruit of the poisonous tree". He will not be convicted without it. JMO.

There is zero chance of that. You do not need a warrant to test DNA that is left at a crime scene, and the FBI merely violated the terms of service of two genealogy websites. It's completely legal for them to have done that, and the judge made no secret that he was skeptical of the defense arguments here. I honestly don't think that could have possibly gone any worse for them.

This is no different than what has been done in hundreds of murder cases now.

 

[MassGuy]

I've often wondered if he purchased the knife in order to commit a crime or if purchasing the knife led him to it. I like to think he's haunted by that DNA. It seems to me, if the crime was already in his mind when he purchased it, he'd have taken impossible care not to touch it ungloved. If however he got the knife before he confidenced to use it to kill, he may have caressed it plenty -- careful, Bryan, you'll go blind -- and then cleaned it within an inch of its life prior to carrying out his mission. I can imagine him striving to keep it pristine... except for (my speculation) that One Time when he first got it, when that snap was unforgiving and he had to slip off a glove just to break that initial snap, sometimes things like that can be so damn stubborn, straight from the tanning factory.

Snap, crackle, pop.

Next thing you know, you're jail. Hate that when your DNA tells on you.

JMO

I think he purchased the knife in the fantasy phase, when he had yet to formulate an actual murder plan. That's why I think there is going to be a purchase record. I can imagine him dressing up in his little outfit, and staring in the mirror holding the knife, fantasizing about stabbing college students to death.

He actually may not have been overly concerned about DNA on the sheath itself, as he had no intention of leaving it behind. That snap was just the perfect place to have captured his DNA, and I imagine that transfer happened just before he left his apartment that night (prior to putting gloves on).

 

[SlimPickens]

There is zero chance of that. You do not need a warrant to test DNA that is left at a crime scene, and the FBI merely violated the terms of service of two genealogy websites. It's completely legal for them to have done that, and the judge made no secret that he was skeptical of the defense arguments here. I honestly don't think that could have possibly gone any worse for them.

This is no different than what has been done in hundreds of murder cases now.

If the DNA source submitted his sample to a database that offers an explicit guarantee that law enforcement cannot source or use said sample for investigative purposes without a judicial order, and they did so anyway, then there is more than one Kohlberger whose rights could've been violated here.

This is not as clear cut as you suggest.

JMO.

 

[Megnut]

I think he purchased the knife in the fantasy phase, when he had yet to formulate an actual murder plan. That's why I think there is going to be a purchase record. I can imagine him dressing up in his little outfit, and staring in the mirror holding the knife, fantasizing about stabbing college students to death.

He actually may not have been overly concerned about DNA on the sheath itself, as he had no intention of leaving it behind. That snap was just the perfect place to have captured his DNA, and I imagine that transfer happened just before he left his apartment that night (prior to putting gloves on).

Then he's a moron.

 

[GreatAgain]

Bryan Kohberger is absolutely positively guilty. Police have the right guy. [mod snip insults not allowed]

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

If the DNA source submitted his sample to a database that offers an explicit guarantee that law enforcement cannot source or use said sample for investigative purposes without a judicial order, and they did so anyway, then there is more than one Kohlberger whose rights could've been violated here.

This is not as clear cut as you suggest.

JMO.

Respectfully, and I apologize as I am slightly confused by that statement. Granted this case is under IIUC a partial gag order, so hard to know or be sure…… But IIRC the DNA source used was for a relative of the accused suspect defendant BK? And genealogical comparison was what gave an apparent link to BK.

And if so, it would not appear accurate to refer to ‘his sample’ of a DNA source as offering the link. Now the apparent source on the knife sheath’s snap is a different matter. MOO

 

[Megnut]

If the DNA source submitted his sample to a database that offers an explicit guarantee that law enforcement cannot source or use said sample for investigative purposes without a judicial order, and they did so anyway, then there is more than one Kohlberger whose rights could've been violated here.

This is not as clear cut as you suggest.

JMO.

If that were the case, the breach belongs to the company for violating its own TOS, and grievance belongs to individuals who have issue with the company. BK has no standing in any of that.

JMO