Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #199
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MOO RA was referring to how he had ruined (killed) his family and friends with his actions and later arrest for the girls' murders. I think he was speaking figuratively when he uttered those words to Wala. But as usual, DT thinks they've found the smoking gun to disprove RA's guilt. Lookey here, see he even confessed to killing people who aren't even dead!
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The gag order is not applicable to any media, from my understanding. It just prohibits folks from talking to the media.
As always, JMO.
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I believe this as well
He is toast.
My opinion only:
Way back, when the Superintendent said "all we need is a name"... that means a lot to me.
To me, that means they have a lot of evidence... they just can't find the perpetrator to tie it to.
Here's is what we know they have from publicly released info:
1) Video of BG walking across bridge to L&A and saying "down the hill" along with "gun" - so we know BG was apart of the murders.
2) Audio of BG. Will they be able to compare samples of his voice previously recorded versus BG. <looks iffy to me)
3) 4 eyewitnesses who will testify BG was wearing same clothes as witness #5 (Richard Allen) himself says he was wearing at the time he was on the bridge.
4) Semi-solid evidence that a bullet matched his caliber and ejection markings.
5) Confessions by Richard Allen.
6) Any other circumstantial or semi-solid evidence gathered from his residence including coat, boots, bullets, gun, knife, notes in diary, etc. or whatever if anything they have.
The key question for me is how do they prove that RA is BG.
And also like you said, we don't even know what else the prosecution has.. and they might decide NOT to use some of the weaker evidence like the shell ejection markings because they already have a strong case.
In mini openings NM said BG followed the girls from the Northside of the bridge to the Southside. He kidnapped them at gunpoint and made them go down the hill. He started to have his way with them on the dth side of the creek . They were interrupted by someone/something and he forced the girls to cross the creek. Then he removed their clothes and murdered them.
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MOO RA was referring to how he had ruined (killed) his family and friends with his actions and later arrest for the girls' murders. I think he was speaking figuratively when he uttered those words to Wala.
as always JMO
Exactly how the ones who attended the hearing took that to mean too and I agree it makes sense.
Edited: To snip the part of the post I was replying to.
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I really question why the defense would wait to bring up exculpatory hair evidence not in the Franks motions, not in any other filings, not even in the mini opening on day one of voir dire, but on day two. Why. What part of their strategy for choosing jurors changed overnight from day one to day two. That's the answer for what is going on with the hair in Abby's hand.
But as we know, opening statements (mini or otherwise) are NOT evidence, the judge will caution all the jurors on that. In watching other trials, I have heard things in opening statements that were never shown or referred to again in testimony. It's just a matter of if the idea has already prejudiced anyone who was chosen to serve.
But as we know, opening statements (mini or otherwise) are NOT evidence, the judge will caution all the jurors on that. In watching other trials, I have heard things in opening statements that were never shown or referred to again in testimony. It's just a matter of if the idea has already prejudiced anyone who was chosen to serve.
I can actually offer clarification!I'm trying to find more information about what was said in the mini-opening statements and this came up.
What would that have anything to do with this case?!
Delphi murders case jury selection ends with 16 jurors - Daily Journal
By Áine Cain and Kevin Greenlee | The Murder Sheetdailyjournal.net
If you listen to The MS Jury Selection Day 1 -> The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Jury Selection: Day One
NM opening to the potential jurors has consistently been a bit, where he asks the potential jurors to tell him, if they think he is an attorney.
It goes like: Who here thinks I am an attorney?
(Most of them say he is.)
Why would you think it? You see no proof?
(The answer, well, the Judge lets you on the floor, etc)
See, sometimes there is no absolute proof, but you can still be certain of something BARD.
That has been NM's BARD prep speech for the potential jurors, and after the first round (or the second day? Not certain), the MS observed that AB for the D, started telling the story of that young man in the law office that APPEARED to be an attorney, but was not. Auger also adopted the same story to directly go against NM's BARD 'bit'. Later, BR objected to NM 'Do you think I am an attorney' bit. The MS found it curious that the D was that fired up about the whole 'Am I an attorney' bit, but they assumed it is because it was maybe very effective?
All MOO / my interpretation of the podcast.
I believe it was the state that did the analogy for the potential jurors where they questioned if they (the jurors) believe he was a lawyer. They said yes.. he asked why do you believe that without me showing you I graduated from law school or my test results from passing the bar, etc.. one person said because the judge allowed him to be there talking to them today.. Something like this.. I'm paraphrasing here..
So I'm sure the defense said that little bit about someone posing as a lawyer in response to day 1 when the state was trying to make a point that sometimes you know things like this guy is a lawyer because he's in court acting as a lawyer.
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Ahhhh, that makes sense. Thank you for explaining!
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I thought they seated the jury remarkably fast, I was sure it would take the whole 3 days. There was no Court yesterday, but maybe JG ruled on some Motions. Today are jurors sworn in, and will travel to Delphi.
Friday is Opening Statements and Court will be in session on Saturdays as well. I believe JG is doing a good job so far of keeping things on the timeline.
This case has become overly expensive, I will bite my tongue from saying why that is IMO, but what price is Justice?
It's been ongoing for 7 1/2 years. The killer of Abby & Libby has remained unpunished and hiding in plain sight.
Defendant Allen will be brought before a jury of his peers to decide his innocence or guilt as is his Constitutional Right.
The families and the community as a whole may be able to begin the healing process, and an accused child murderer will be held accountable for his actions when it is concluded IMO.
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That certainly makes more sense than what they wrote in the article. Now I see the point MS was attempting to make. Thank you.
TBH I am shocked they are able to write anything coherent/accurate, with how many hours they spent waiting outside the court before it opens, and then the hours spent inside without technology.
Only saying this to highlight that being allowed one official audio source would go a long way to avoid little slips of misinformation that are bound to happen with the small number of press attending.
Which I understand, just need to be very aware that phrasing might be lost during the trial, and waiting for a couple of press sources before we make up our minds might go a long way. (That's mostly a reminder to myself, I got very shocked by what I read in tweets, only to read clarifications and realise it was a nothingburger).
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I would venture, yes, there would be an uproar were Richard Allen acquitted, IMO
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Oh the irony...It was raised by two defense attorneys.
From the article:
Defense attorneys Andrew Baldwin and Jennifer Auger also conducted a single round on each day...
...Reminding the prospective jurors to remain skeptical and open-minded, both attorneys referenced an instance where an unnamed Greenwood man posed as an attorney without actually being admitted to the bar.
Delphi murders case jury selection ends with 16 jurors - Daily Journal
By Áine Cain and Kevin Greenlee | The Murder Sheet
As an observer, the MW correlation/connection was not lost to me. I don't know if the jurors will ever know about that leak, and perhaps they shouldn't if it doesn't pertain to RA's guilt, but I gasped.
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I know that if I was a juror about to be sequestered, I’d want the trial to start right away - not be sworn in at 9:00am and sent to the hotel for the next 24 hours.
I know, I was just being silly. I would follow the rules, but it would be very hard to be without my phone and internet!
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ETA: Media still reporting as shown, this may have been sorted out in prior posts here as the offer of proof. Confusing. jmo
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The ride from Fort Wayne to Delphi is two hours, not counting loading up baggage on the bus/van, etc. And I am under the impression there is work to be done in the courtroom that the jury wouldn't hear today anyway.
FWIW, I'm trusting the court personnel who handle these logistical situations to know what they are doing and are being thoughtful both to the judicial process and to the jurors.
Yet, still, some people think the case should start Monday and others say today. Despite differing opinions in the public, the trial starts Friday.
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