Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #199

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Just so we're clear, standard anti-depressants like Lexapro, pain killers like oxycodone, and ADHD meds like Adderall are all psychotropic drugs. I'd wager (my opinion only) that 75% of us here are one at least one of these.

As always, JMO


75% of people are on OXY, Lexa-pro or pain killers????

I am not, no one in my immediate family is, nor are many in my wider family. My nephew was on anti-depressants for a little while, in his 20's. One uncle on pain killers for a bad back, is all I can think of. And My aunt, at one time on Oxy when she recovered from breast cancer. But certainly not 75% of the people I know are on psychotropics.
 
I want to HIGHLIGHT this^^^ great post once again because it shows us how phoney the Defense can be at times.

I read that the defense claimed that RA 'confessed' to killing his family. OK, that could be worrisome to the prosecution case.

THEN we hear the actual context, and it WAS NOT a confession. Not at all. And the defense clearly knows that. But it helps their case, they think, if they try and throw incorrect, misleading info out to the public.

I am happy to see this because it makes me remember that they are also probably misstating the 'hair in the fist' announcement too. JMO

Since none of us were there, in my humble opinion, it's completely impossible to know the context. We haven't seen (read) or heard the exact conversation, and likely never will. I understand hanging on to hope that it's what his words must have meant, but none of us knows. Going by what someone here heard from someone who attended the hearing and heard what someone else said they wrote in report after hearing what RA said........it's what, 3 or 4 people removed? It might mean that. Or he could have been in a state of psychosis. We will have to see how it plays out at trial. Or at the very least, read a transcript of the hearing.

As always, JMO.
 
75% of people are on OXY, Lexa-pro or pain killers????

I am not, no one in my immediate family is, nor are many in my wider family. My nephew was on anti-depressants for a little while, in his 20's. One uncle on pain killers for a bad back, is all I can think of. And My aunt, at one time on Oxy when she recovered from breast cancer. But certainly not 75% of the people I know are on psychotropics.

You disagree with my opinion. That's ok. :)

As always, JMO.
 
This scenario has two similarly dressed BGs, Killer BG and RA BG. Killer BG has passed RA undetected by RA. (And any of the other witnesses, unless some of them saw Killer BG but not RA BG. For sure, nobody still living saw two males.)

RA puts himself on the first platform. BB’s testimony seems to confirm this, and adds that Abby and Libby were approaching the bridge at that time. Neither RA nor BB has reported another male being there.

Killer’s options for passing RA from his perch on that first platform are very narrow. As narrow, in fact, as the MHB itself. We don’t call him Bridge Guy for nothing. He approached the girls from off of the bridge. Not from any other direction. That video shows him on the bridge. In short order, the same file, he’s ordering them down the hill.

Maybe he snuck by RA. The fish seen from that platform on the bridge were totally engrossing. Or maybe RA was on the bench watching stocks on his phone. Must have taken a lot of nerve for the killer to abduct two girls in broad daylight knowing there was another guy right there in easy hearing if maybe not direct line of sight. (Not sure where that bench is.)

I wouldn’t buy it even without the cartridge and the post-arrest confessions.
Passing RA on the bridge isn't necessary imo - IF - a person was ALREADY at the other end of the bridge then possibly RA wouldn't have seen him at all. My theory supposes exactly this - that someone COULD have been on the other end and that person COULD have pretended to pass them on the far end, then doubled back. I'm not saying it DID happen. Is just speculation on my part as to what the D may suggest to create reasonable doubt. mooooooooo
 
Passing RA on the bridge isn't necessary imo - IF - a person was ALREADY at the other end of the bridge then possibly RA wouldn't have seen him at all. My theory supposes exactly this - that someone COULD have been on the other end and that person COULD have pretended to pass them on the far end, then doubled back. I'm not saying it DID happen. Is just speculation on my part as to what the D may suggest to create reasonable doubt. mooooooooo
LE has the whole video. They know from which direction the man was approaching.

JMO
 
I know that if I was a juror about to be sequestered, I’d want the trial to start right away - not be sworn in at 9:00am and sent to the hotel for the next 24 hours.
I wouldn't. I'd want the entire day to move myself to the new location in Delphi and spend one last day with family or boyfriend/friends. Then early the next morning the trial starts.

They had to give everyone that full afternoon to do last minute errands /pack/ and travel to Delphi. IMO

The court had to busy itself with a hearing with no jury allowed, so it works out well, IMO
 
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my Part IV is a few short MOO observations:

1. For as many times as we've heard Delphi is a small town where everybody knows everybody, it often seems just the opposite. BP knowing RA (via the free photo development) seems to be the only positive identification where one party can name the other party. BB isn't able to identify by name either A&L or RA, saying only they looked like people from LE's photo releases. None of the 4 Freedom Bridge girls, or SC, can name RA, or that CVS worker, or BA's dad, or KA's husband....nor does he name (whether he could've or not) any of them. BB doesn't recognize the 4 girls on the overpass. DD can't recall RA as anyone important at the time of 2017 press conference despite interviewing him and hearing his admission of being onsite that day. We're not aware of anyone (though they could have) identifying RA specifically on the tipline. Despite RA having lived in Delphi for a number of years and being what should be a very noticeable short height, he seems to always go unnoticed. My experience of living in a small town is that not only did most people know most everybody else, they also knew what kind of vehicle everybody drove too - but again here in Delphi nobody IMO is making any positive vehicle identifications at CPS, Mears, etc.

2. I've never seen any posted photos where RA is wearing a wristwatch. If he never wears one and he conceivably wasn't carrying his phone on the trails that day, he may not have honestly known exactly what times various meetings or events occurred from the time he left his car (if he checked the clock) until the time he got back to his car (again if he checked). The sun could've given clues but IMO there's not much to notice with the sun from say 1230 to 1430 which are some of the times in question that he was asked about.

3. IF per the 3-day hearings LG was on the move when stabbed then dragged back a bit to a certain location, if not already deceased then likely close to it, how did the unspent bullet end up in the spot she was dragged back to?. Are we to assume (and for what reason?) RA cocked the gun/cycled the bullet through after the girls were deceased, unconscious, defenseless?

4. Unless it's a typo in the Affidavit for Search Warrant, it clearly states in the first full paragraph of page 2 that the bench photo taken by BW was not introduced until an interview in the year 2020, three years after it was taken. Also, BW, by having this and 1 other timestamped photo on her phone, seems to be the only one of the 4 Freedom Bridge girls who comments on this piece of newer evidence. While the exact time of the RA/4 girls encounter has not been reported, this IMO is another brick in the timeline wall that somewhat aligns with RA heading that direction from parking at CPS. Again though it's tricky in that BW indicates the encounter could've occurred as early as 1:28/1:29 which is impossible if RA was still in his car driving past the HH Camera at 1:27, or as late as 1:38 which puts a narrow window on the 4 girls hightailing it to the Old SR25 overpass which BB drives under around 1:44 & RA hiking to the first platform in time for BB to witness around 1:56
 
LE has the whole video. They know from which direction the man was approaching.

JMO
And there is more to the video than telling them to go down the hill. Abby asks Libby if that man is behind her and Abby tells Libby he has a gun. It's 43 seconds long, and as you say @Megnut LE knows exactly which direction RA was approaching.
 
my Part IV is a few short MOO observations:

1. For as many times as we've heard Delphi is a small town where everybody knows everybody, it often seems just the opposite. BP knowing RA (via the free photo development) seems to be the only positive identification where one party can name the other party. BB isn't able to identify by name either A&L or RA, saying only they looked like people from LE's photo releases. None of the 4 Freedom Bridge girls, or SC, can name RA, or that CVS worker, or BA's dad, or KA's husband....nor does he name (whether he could've or not) any of them. BB doesn't recognize the 4 girls on the overpass. DD can't recall RA as anyone important at the time of 2017 press conference despite interviewing him and hearing his admission of being onsite that day. We're not aware of anyone (though they could have) identifying RA specifically on the tipline. Despite RA having lived in Delphi for a number of years and being what should be a very noticeable short height, he seems to always go unnoticed. My experience of living in a small town is that not only did most people know most everybody else, they also knew what kind of vehicle everybody drove too - but again here in Delphi nobody IMO is making any positive vehicle identifications at CPS, Mears, etc.

2. I've never seen any posted photos where RA is wearing a wristwatch. If he never wears one and he conceivably wasn't carrying his phone on the trails that day, he may not have honestly known exactly what times various meetings or events occurred from the time he left his car (if he checked the clock) until the time he got back to his car (again if he checked). The sun could've given clues but IMO there's not much to notice with the sun from say 1230 to 1430 which are some of the times in question that he was asked about.

3. IF per the 3-day hearings LG was on the move when stabbed then dragged back a bit to a certain location, if not already deceased then likely close to it, how did the unspent bullet end up in the spot she was dragged back to?. Are we to assume (and for what reason?) RA cocked the gun/cycled the bullet through after the girls were deceased, unconscious, defenseless?

4. Unless it's a typo in the Affidavit for Search Warrant, it clearly states in the first full paragraph of page 2 that the bench photo taken by BW was not introduced until an interview in the year 2020, three years after it was taken. Also, BW, by having this and 1 other timestamped photo on her phone, seems to be the only one of the 4 Freedom Bridge girls who comments on this piece of newer evidence. While the exact time of the RA/4 girls encounter has not been reported, this IMO is another brick in the timeline wall that somewhat aligns with RA heading that direction from parking at CPS. Again though it's tricky in that BW indicates the encounter could've occurred as early as 1:28/1:29 which is impossible if RA was still in his car driving past the HH Camera at 1:27, or as late as 1:38 which puts a narrow window on the 4 girls hightailing it to the Old SR25 overpass which BB drives under around 1:44 & RA hiking to the first platform in time for BB to witness around 1:56
You are thorough! Love it.

As always, JMO.
 
I know, I was just being silly. I would follow the rules, but it would be very hard to be without my phone and internet!
You would be allowed to use the internet but it has to be while in the group, being supervised by a bailiff. So like after dinner, some jurors could choose to go to a community room, and they could use their tablets or laptops online, but a bailiff would be circling around, glancing at screens.

You wouldn't be allowed to look at CNN, twitter etc, but could check your emails, and IG, What's App etc.

And could probably log into sports or entertainment podcasts etc.
 
I am New to Websleuths. I have been following this case for a long time. I do believe that they have a lot of forensic evidence pointing to Mr. Allen. Just my opinion.
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Passing RA on the bridge isn't necessary imo - IF - a person was ALREADY at the other end of the bridge then possibly RA wouldn't have seen him at all. My theory supposes exactly this - that someone COULD have been on the other end and that person COULD have pretended to pass them on the far end, then doubled back. I'm not saying it DID happen. Is just speculation on my part as to what the D may suggest to create reasonable doubt. mooooooooo
If he’s been waiting there, lurking for some time… Why? Does he know they’re coming? If so, why not just take them down the hill right away when they arrive?

He goes out onto the bridge. Is he scouting the other side? If so, he sees RA on the first platform. It isn’t safe. And he’s leaving his intended victims unattended. Can he be sure they’re unsuspecting? The constraints on their flight are not physical.

Not buying. I know about other lines of evidence. I can see the outline of RA’s Sig printing through BG’s jacket pocket. I can do Occam’s Razor.
 
I want to HIGHLIGHT this^^^ great post once again because it shows us how phoney the Defense can be at times.

I read that the defense claimed that RA 'confessed' to killing his family. OK, that could be worrisome to the prosecution case.

THEN we hear the actual context, and it WAS NOT a confession. Not at all. And the defense clearly knows that. But it helps their case, they think, if they try and throw incorrect, misleading info out to the public.

I am happy to see this because it makes me remember that they are also probably misstating the 'hair in the fist' announcement too. JMO
There is no link in the post you are quoting. The video has nothing to do with RA's confessions.
So, no.. unfortunately we don't hear the actual context.
IMO
 
What are they going to put KA on the stand for? If the defense was calling her to the stand I could easily think of reasons why. I'm a bit stumped about why the State is calling her. Anybody have Prosecution case-affiliated reasons?

Maybe to verify where she was at the time the crimes happened. <modsnip: Removed hearsay> Maybe asking her to identify weapons and clothing RA owned.
 
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