Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #199

[Cyber sleuth]

Upon looking at the sketch, BB told the sketch artist that the illustration was a "10 out of 10" for accuracy.


Roughly two years later, in March 2019, BB met with Tony Liggett, frustrated that her sketch (sketch #2) had not been released to the public. BB was frustrated because sketch #1, which had been released to the public almost two years before, did not match the man that she (BB) observed on the high bridge. BB even commented that sketch #1 was "wrong." <snip>

RSMB/BBM
For illustration purposes I have cut your post down to the only 2 direct quotes by BB in the Franks memorandum you cited.
“10 out of 10” is a quote which the defense infers means is reference to BB’s overall description of accuracy of the Sketch #2.
Ok, well then why not quote her entire description? It is sourced in the footnotes as being quoted as part of a whole paragraph in incident report No. 17-0091-S03 on page with other paragraphs.
So why only 3 words are used of this very pivotal evidence? It’s not because they had a word limit to the Franks memo.

My opinion. Because it’s not at all what her full name statements infer. She may have been just talking about one feature such as an eyebrow or nose or wrinkle
That would be incredibly sneaky, but legal.

Which leads me to this point.

Please look at the second phrase “wrong “. Which defense infurs is BB’s description of Sketch #1.
But look down at the footnotes and you will see footnote 147 actually refers to BB stating the golf hat was “wrong “. Not the whole sketch as the defense would have you believe.
Now why would defense take one word out of context like that? Because they can. Because it tricks people just enough without crossing the line.
FINAL DRAFT - 9.17 at 6.30 pm - Delphi Franks brief.pdf | PDF Host

So I can understand why someone could be confused with the PCA when BB’s words were used out of context by the Franks. And honestly can see why BB might have an issue with the hat as many of us have in comparing the sketch to the video.
( some see hair some see hat)
But the PCA makes it pretty clear that BB said that the man she observed on MHB that day matched the man in Victim 2’s video.
Seems straightforward to me.

All my opinion.

https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2022/11/Probable-Cause-Affidavit-Richard-Allen.pdf

 

[TTF14]

Are they posting video of testimony each day online after court is over or are there no cameras allowed during this trial? I could’ve sworn I read that cameras are allowed during this one.

No video, no photos, no audio. And, I believe, no sketch artists, but I definitely could be wrong about that.

As always, JMO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Will there be audio analysis of the "down the hill" recording and RA's actual voice?

(Sorry if this has been previously discussed. I have been in and out of these threads over the years but am catching up now that we are on the eve of the trial.)

TIA.

I had wondered about that too. I guess it’s possible, but an audio forensics expert from the Garrett Discovery Lab in Orlando was asked by Inside Edition to do a voice comparison with James Chadwell. Said audio file was a little too short.

When I call my bank, they verify it’s me through voice recognition. So, seems it should be possible.

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[sunshineray]

MOO is I don't want people there to forget this is about Libby and Abby. These were their favorite colors. I cannot be upset with those who want to honor these beautiful girls.

There's nothing they can do, should do, for those outside on the sidewalks if they want to wear those ribbons and carry signs with the girls photos. Just not on the courthouse or in the courtroom. JMO

 

[TTF14]

I had wondered about that too. I guess it’s possible, but an audio forensics expert from the Garrett Discovery Lab in Orlando was asked by Inside Edition to do a voice comparison with James Chadwell. Said audio file was a little too short.

When I call my bank, they verify it’s me through voice recognition. So, seems it should be possible.

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I just went on vaca and you can now step in front of a camera for one second and they sync your face to your passport! It's kinda scary what's possible now!

I find it shocking we have no better photo of "BG" with the technology that's available today.

As always, JMO.

 

[MiniMoo]

The man in the video isn’t proven to be RA.

Hopefully, if they had a still from the video clearer than an 8 bit video game from before I was born they would have posted it and arrested him years ago? Just my opinion.

Actually, for someone in plain sight according to LE, two composites plastered everywhere and the CVS being the only place to get prescriptions, photos and what have you in Delphi - why is it no one recognised Richard Allen as being BG?!

Not one person in 5 years.

That is one thing that really does stand out for me in all of this.

Day One of the trial isn't coming quick enough is all I have to say!

JMT

 

[TTF14]

There's nothing they can do, should do, for those outside on the sidewalks if they want to wear those ribbons and carry signs with the girls photos. Just not on the courthouse or in the courtroom. JMO

BBM. Exactly.

I can't believe we agree on something!

As always, JMO.

 

[sunshineray]

It's on the courthouse. It's (almost) literally making a statement that the COURTHOUSE/(judge, jury, etc.) is on board with this man being charged with this crime.

I am shocked this is happening in my America. Just my opinion.

As always, JMO.

It will be addressed before tomorrow I'm sure. The local community wants to honor the girls. It's to be exspected and they will, just not on the courthouse. It will all work out, IMO

 

[scapa]

I expect disagreement with my opinion, but I think the trial is a time for decorum, not decorations.

I accept others will disagree.

jmo

Tend to agree -- but then I'm based in the UK, so unsure about the proprieties. Also wondering what a defence team might make of the stage set thusly.

It's outside, I guess.

Is this sort of "dressing the courthouse" common in US-based cases?

 

[Shadowtrix]

No video, no photos, no audio. And, I believe, no sketch artists, but I definitely could be wrong about that.

As always, JMO.

Wow, thank you, I somehow missed that and I’ve been trying to follow this case closely for years. That’s disappointing.

 

[Inthedetails]

Tend to agree -- but then I'm based in the UK, so unsure about the proprieties. Also wondering what a defence team might make of the stage set thusly.

It's outside, I guess.

Is this sort of "dressing the courthouse" common in US-based cases?

No, it is not common.

jmo

 

[Warwick7]

There's nothing they can do, should do, for those outside on the sidewalks if they want to wear those ribbons and carry signs with the girls photos. Just not on the courthouse or in the courtroom. JMO

I've watched courthouses put yellow ribbons up. I just googled it and there are tons pictures there too. So that is acceptable.

Also wearing of little red flowers on those who work at the courthouses honoring those who died is acceptable.

MOO is, this falls under the same principle.

 

[TTF14]

Tend to agree -- but then I'm based in the UK, so unsure about the proprieties. Also wondering what a defence team might make of the stage set thusly.

It's outside, I guess.

Is this sort of "dressing the courthouse" common in US-based cases?

NO!

As always, JMO.

 

[TTF14]

Wow, thank you, I somehow missed that and I’ve been trying to follow this case closely for years. That’s disappointing.

Oh, and no electronics/phones, etc. (or water to drink, as an aside) so only paper and pen notes are allowed. Reporters will update on breaks/lunch/evening.

As always, JMO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I just went on vaca and you can now step in front of a camera for one second and they sync your face to your passport! It's kinda scary what's possible now!

I find it shocking we have no better photo of "BG" with the technology that's available today.

As always, JMO.

Libby’s phone just didn’t have that high-quality resolution. If it was today’s tech, they could likely zoom in without the pixelation.

I don’t fault LE, they worked with it, sent it to NASA. I certainly don’t fault Libby for not having a professional 35mm camera handy that day. That she captured him at all on film is nothing short of a miracle.

jmo

 

[twall]

Could be worse. Quinton Simon trial right now, they've got what I call church pews. No cushions.

That is what the Indiana county courthouse has where I live. I had to sit on it for 3 hours during jury selection and suffered for days after due to having permanent lumbar nerve pain from a spine issue. I recall seeing footage of a person who attended a pre-trial hearing walking out of the CC courthouse with a seat cushion in hand. I see an amended trial courtroom decorum in the near future-Absolutely no pillows or cushions allowed! And I see people are already lining up 12 hours before the trial. Someone in the gallery falls asleep and snores and JG hears it. Another decorum addendum stating no sleeping. JMO

 

[Seattle1]

It's on the courthouse. It's (almost) literally making a statement that the COURTHOUSE/(judge, jury, etc.) is on board with this man being charged with this crime.

I am shocked this is happening in my America. Just my opinion.

As always, JMO.

I understand and respect OP is viewing this from the perspective of the defendant's due process in the American Justice System. In this case, I believe we are seeing the County Courthouse being allowed to represent the residents and/or constituents including the victim advocates where the colorful ribbons are symbols in memory of the victims. I don't think honoring their memory is intended to take away from the rights of the defendant for a fair trial but I can understand how it might appear so to outsiders. IMO, I don't think the Court will object unless this were to come inside the building and somehow disturb the Courtroom decorum Order .

I've seen this come up before not only with criminal trials. For example, I've noticed similar objections when smaller counties, in rural areas especially, decorate their Courthouse buildings and grounds for Christmas holidays to the loud objections of mostly non residents, and where the locals generally prevail on the grounds that it's their tax dollars that's funding the facility and maintenance budget hours expended for the "winter tree festival." JMO

 

[Seattle1]

Judge in Delphi Murders trial says she will 'run a tight ship', even on election day

The Delphi Murders trial begins tomorrow with Richard Allen accused of killing two teenagers. Judge Fran Gull discusses rules and logistics.

www.wishtv.com

10/17/24

Judge Fran Gull met with members of the credentialed press to discuss how the trial will unfold, the rules she plans to enforce and the logistics of the jury and the gallery.

Gull said she plans to ‘run a tight ship’, including holding court six days a week and won’t even stop for election day.

Jurors were told to vote before arriving in Carroll County and are now sequestered under the supervision of the sheriff’s office.

Gull told the media the jury will have no contact with the internet, radio or television that isn’t supervised. Jurors will be able to meet with family on weekend, under supervision. Jurors will be able to make calls, again under supervision.

Gull also told the media there are 72 seats in the courtroom. 30 of those seats are reserved for the family, 12 for the media and the rest for the public.

Photos at link.

 

[Warwick7]

Libby’s phone just didn’t have that high-quality resolution. If it was today’s tech, they could likely zoom in without the pixelation.

I don’t fault LE, they worked with it, sent it to NASA. I certainly don’t fault Libby for not having a professional 35mm camera handy that day. That she captured him at all on film is nothing short of a miracle.

jmo

Totally agree! It is just amazing that she captured what she did.

 

[sunshineray]

I'd be mad, too .

Livestreaming would solve this whole problem.

As always, JMO.

I think it's not thought of as a problem by the court. Media will be there, they will report. A handful of states don't allow cameras in the courtroom. Neither does the District of Columbia, The Supreme Court and federal courtrooms. Because of the way communications is now rule of thumb, we forget justice was served when there were no cameras ever in courtrooms. It's an inconvenience for sure for a public that has the world's news at our fingertips, in a moment.
AJMO