Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

[photographer4]

This is why it’s good the Judge is allowing the jury to view the entire video, so they can form their own opinion. They won’t hear outsiders shrieking about it.

I agree! Too bad they didn’t get to see it yesterday. When the D moved to admit the interview video, NM jumped up and demanded a sidebar. They had their sidebar. When they came back, JG admitted the videos but didn't show them yesterday (why? the presenter did not know why so it sounds like the judge did not issue a reason imo). Doesn't sound like the State was very happy about the idea of the video being admitted into evidence. LMAO.

(around 1 hour 53m in).

 

[Boxer]

I like your list.

For a brutal and frenzied double murder in broad daylight I'd have also wanted -

1. Direct evidence tying the accused to the crime scene
2. Direct evidence linking the victims to the accused
3. This includes DNA, fingerprints, blood contamination, digital forensics, cell phone tracking etc
4. Witnesses that could identify the accused rather than the guy on the video
5. More witnesses seeing the murder exit the scene and escaping covered in blood
6. More factual info about time and cause of death
7. An actual murder weapon (linking back to #1&2)
8. A more compelling investigation & presentation of the infamous DTH video

I concede that I obviously know I'm not going to get much if any of the above from what we have seen so far IMO.

Pretty disappointing for $4m IMO.

Crimes do not always have the all the evidence you seek.
Just a lynchpin piece that ties the other evidence together.

MOO they have allowed the defense to build up a straw man of the bullet evidence to be pulled down.
Hopefully they can repair the scope of what the bullet does show.

MOO In this case the lynchpin is the time line. The time line establishes BARD that RA is the man on the bridge.

MOO
He provided the correct time that he arrived to DD when he thought he had been or would be recognized by the teens he passed by Freedom Bridge.
With the correct time, his lie about not seeing Abby and Libby is glaring.

Additionally, a man matching his clothing seen on Platfrom 1, he is missing his phone for 2/13/17 although all other phones have been kept, a bullet consistent with his gun was found at the CS, a Ford Focus with spoked wheels consistent with his vehicle is seen on camera passing HH at correct time not at the revised time.

Other notes, MOO any blood was dry or matted by the time he got back to car, and a quick strip to skivvys and hopping in the car - a plastic bag or not would contain the DNA till home.
Rapists get lucky about not leaving evidence all the time.

Talking about absence of "expected" evidence is a defense techniquto build up the expecratiin beyond the scope of what the evidence shows in order to it tear down, giving the inpression the evidence shows less than what it does show.
Impulsive stranger crimes hardest to solve.

MOO This case has all they need for conviction if they stick to their evidence.

 

[MassGuy]

I agree! Too bad they didn’t get to see it yesterday. When the D moved to admit the interview video, NM jumped up and demanded a sidebar. They had their sidebar. When they came back, JG admiteted the videos but didn't show them yesterday (why? the presenter did not know why so it sounds like the judge did not issue a reason imo). Doesn't sound like the State was very happy about the idea of the video being admitted into evidence. LMAO.

(around 1 hour 53m in).

Interview videos are almost always played in court, and I can't fathom the prosecution being surprised; there's no legal basis to exclude them. They had no time to play them yesterday. Saturday is a short day, and the witness took up too much time.

 

[m00c0w]

Interview videos are almost always played in court, and I can't fathom the prosecution being surprised; there's no legal basis to exclude them. They had no time to play them yesterday. Saturday is a short day, and the witness took up too much time.

Wait, it doesn’t make sense that the prosecution was super shocked the evidence they fought to get included was included?

Hmm.

JMO

 

[KSwizzle]

I have a question that might have been answered and actually presented in court even, what was the height of bridge guy from the down the hill video, I understand the actual video is at times upside down, extremely shaky and whatnot but surely the fbi or some tech company could work it out

 

[Cota332]

Additionally, a man matching his clothing seen on Platfrom 1, he is missing his phone for 2/13/17 although all other phones have been kept, a bullet consistent with his gun was found at the CS, a Ford Focus with spoked wheels consistent with his vehicle is seen on camera passing HH at correct time not at the revised time.

Sbm

The 'spokes' evidence is moot imo due to those exact spokes being mass produced by Ford for that make/model/year vehicle; meaning that it's a fairly common vehicle configuration.

Also, the 'bullet at the crime scene is consistent with his gun' is also moot imo, because they were unable to trace that bullet to HIS firearm, just the make and model. Further, the crime lab stated that they HAD to fire a gun in the lab to reproduce the same marking on the bullet, as they were unable to reproduce it by 'racking the firearm' so to speak, as 'racking' would've been the cause of the marks on the bullet at the scene on the crime.

 

[Cota332]

I have a question that might have been answered and actually presented in court even, what was the height of bridge guy from the down the hill video, I understand the actual video is at times upside down, extremely shaky and whatnot but surely the fbi or some tech company could work it out

Essentially, LE said they they didn't want to spend the money on getting a height from BG in the video due to excessive fees, and that it would only be near 2" of accuracy.

 

[INfisherman]

I have a question that might have been answered and actually presented in court even, what was the height of bridge guy from the down the hill video, I understand the actual video is at times upside down, extremely shaky and whatnot but surely the fbi or some tech company could work it out

More than likely it wouldn’t be overly accurate due to the pixelated image. Where there should be definitive hard lines, you can get blurring making it even more difficult. That’s why the face is so difficult to make out.

ETA JMO

 

[Betty P]

Money cannot buy things that do not exist.

You sit back and do nothing; letting this case go without a resolution forever.

Or you move forward with what you have.

You go to trial with the evidence you have, not the evidence you want.

 

[Boxer]

Sbm

The 'spokes' evidence is moot imo due to those exact spokes being mass produced by Ford for that make/model/year vehicle; meaning that it's a fairly common vehicle configuration.

Also, the 'bullet at the crime scene is consistent with his gun' is also moot imo, because they were unable to trace that bullet to HIS firearm, just the make and model. Further, the crime lab stated that they HAD to fire a gun in the lab to reproduce the same marking on the bullet, as they were unable to reproduce it by 'racking the firearm' so to speak, as 'racking' would've been the cause of the marks on the bullet at the scene on the crime.

MOOT would mean these things are nothing, which MOO is not true.
The physical evidence presented
points to, and is not exculsionary of RA.

 

[scapa]

I have a question that might have been answered and actually presented in court even, what was the height of bridge guy from the down the hill video, I understand the actual video is at times upside down, extremely shaky and whatnot but surely the fbi or some tech company could work it out

IIRC there was quite a bit of (often technical) discussion about this early on and some interesting attempts to derive height from environmental factors. Don't recall seeing this info presented to date in the State's case but perhaps it's yet to come or by the bye since it was useful to investigative process but not as important following the arrest of RA.

I've relief on the Wish.tv summaries, so entirely possible that I've missed this avenue of discussion.

If I'm the State, I'm not eager to explore a broader discussion of BG height as estimated vs. actual RA height unless it's helpful for BG = RA arguments.

 

[girlhasnoname]

RA put himself on the bridge. On the trail, checking stock tickers. On the bridge, watching fish.

No he hasn’t been on the stand himself. But that was the story he gave LE and the jury has heard it.

He is indeed on the bridge.

RA=BG=Killer has been my moniker since RA's arrest and the PCA was released.

RA puts himself there on that day out of his own mouth, at that time, dressed like the man witnesses saw on the bridge and saw the same girls that saw him as they passed on the Freedom Trail to MHB. He even remembered one of the girls being taller with brown hair after a quick, couple of seconds view is creepy in and of itself IMO.

RA's gun that he's never loaned out, or let anyone else borrow was matched by ejector markings from the round recovered between Abby & Libby's bodies on property he has said he's never been on or doesn't know the owner of. His car is seen on video from HHS arriving at the same time and just so happens to park backed in as far away from other vehicles as possible when the parking lot was basically empty.

BB and SC both testified they saw Bridge Guy at the times they stated and video of their vehicles arriving and leaving substantiate their claims. SC saw him muddy and bloody no less.

Now let's throw in the confessions by RA which trickled in at different times, even before RA saw the major discovery dump from the State. His own Defense never had an independent mental health expert examine RA from his incarceration at Westville in November and only started shouting mental duress and 'psychosis' in their Motions filed on April 5th. One day after he confessed to Wife and Mom from a monitored jailhouse phone line. Hmmmm

As a matter of fact, Rozzi and Baldwin had previously stated their client was adjusting as well as could be expected, was cooperating with them and always appeared friendly and helpful during their visits to Westville, which how many were there? 2, 3 maybe total during that 5-6 month period?? We've heard how taxing it was on them to drive that long distance and go through all of the pesky procedures in place to visit their factually innocent client accused of an atrocious double child homicide.

It doesn't make logical sense, it's too coincidental and even with the missteps made by LE, it still doesn't make RA NOT BG=Killer. It just doesn't.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

As always, MOO

 

[Cota332]

MOOT would mean these things are nothing, which MOO is not true.
The physical evidence presented
points to, and is not exculsionary of RA.

Moot means subject to uncertainty. The 'physical evidence' bares similarities to RA, but is not conclusive to RA. These are not smoking guns.

 

[EllaMinnowP]

Headscratcher for RA too. "If that's from the girls' camera, that's not me." Then who is, RA?

Very respectfully snipped from your poignant post

Is this response from RA one of the ones captured on video, so that jurors can evaluate the context of the conversation? If you know off the top of your head, or if someone else who sees this knows, I’d like to know, too, please.

Out of everything presented at trial thus far, this is the one that sticks in my craw the most when I am evaluating RA as an innocent witness. It has me questioning what action I would take (knowing I’m innocent of any wrongdoing that day) if I had already come forward and advised LE of my presence and even given them my cellphone information, and subsequently I see grainy pictures/video on TV, billboards, flyers that I believe may be of me.

I’d like to think I’m calling up LE for a chat, and trying to get those images out of the investigation; not just for my sake, but because I know that a picture of me isn’t going to help catch the killer. I think the best course of action, would have been to get an attorney involved at that point. I don’t know how comfortable people are contacting attorneys, however.
I cannot picture me just letting it fly, though.

I’m very uncomfortable with RA saying if it’s from the victim’s camera, then it can’t be him. I also do not like that he can’t produce the phone he says he had with him on that fateful day.

MOO

 

[photographer4]

Interview videos are almost always played in court, and I can't fathom the prosecution being surprised; there's no legal basis to exclude them. They had no time to play them yesterday. Saturday is a short day, and the witness took up too much time.

I didn't say the State was surprised - I said what the presenter said - that when the D moved to have the video admitted into evidence, NM jumped up and demanded a sidebar. He clearly has some concerns about whatever that video shows or doesn't imo...

 

[MassGuy]

I didn't say the State was surprised - I said what the presenter said - that when the D moved to have the video admitted into evidence, NM jumped up and demanded a sidebar. He clearly has some concerns about whatever that video shows or doesn't imo...

But that makes no sense though. We must be missing important context.

 

[Vern]

More than likely it wouldn’t be overly accurate due to the pixelated image. Where there should be definitive hard lines, you can get blurring making it even more difficult. That’s why the face is so difficult to make out.

ETA JMO

Overpixelated, shuffling along with his slumped shoulders, hat on, hood up ... head down. Not seen standing upright at all.

As the witnesses descibed him.

Oh and always those hands in his pockets.

The sole man seen that day on the trails. Uncannily overdressed in the same manner as RA at the time and place RA self-admittedly puts himself there.

All minor inconveniences and sheer coincidence as RA is the unluckiest guy in Delphi's history with such a vastly corrupt investigation involving multiple LE organizations, the State judicial system, both Judges and not a single witness who isn't willing to perjure themselves to ensure they snag little CVS guy.

Yeah, simply nothing to see here folks except the echo of the continual battering of the red herrings. IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

it really is bizarre that the defence lied about so many things if the case is so weak?

MOO

And how they wrote 57 Franks Memos, 4 really, to get the evidence from the Search Warrant tossed. Why, if you're so sure that your client is factually innocent, what could be found in a SW that would have you in such a panic?

MOO

 

[photographer4]

Very respectfully snipped from your poignant post

Is this response from RA one of the ones captured on video, so that jurors can evaluate the context of the conversation? If you know off the top of your head, or if someone else who sees this knows, I’d like to know, too, please.

Out of everything presented at trial thus far, this is the one that sticks in my craw the most when I am evaluating RA as an innocent witness. It has me questioning what action I would take (knowing I’m innocent of any wrongdoing that day) if I had already come forward and advised LE of my presence and even given them my cellphone information, and subsequently I see grainy pictures/video on TV, billboards, flyers that I believe may be of me.

I’d like to think I’m calling up LE for a chat, and trying to get those images out of the investigation; not just for my sake, but because I know that a picture of me isn’t going to help catch the killer. I think the best course of action, would have been to get an attorney involved at that point. I don’t know how comfortable people are contacting attorneys, however.
I cannot picture me just letting it fly, though.

I’m very uncomfortable with RA saying if it’s from the victim’s camera, then it can’t be him. I also do not like that he can’t produce the phone he says he had with him on that fateful day.

MOO

I just wanted to point something out here that a lawyer pointed out to me... just because LE did not locate the phone that RA had on him when he was at the bridge that day does not mean that RA does not have it. He is not required to provide it to them. You'd think that if there had been anything worrisome on it though he wouldn't have handed it to Mr. Dullin when they met in the parking lot imo. I don't find it all that weird that LE didn't find the device - perhaps they missed it or perhaps RA lost it or traded it in or whatever. Its really not that odd so much as unfortunate if he doesn't still have access to it and it could have potentially helped clear him. MOOOO.

 

[INfisherman]

Moot means subject to uncertainty. The 'physical evidence' bares similarities to RA, but is not conclusive to RA. These are not smoking guns.

Isn’t most evidence subject uncertainty? Otherwise juries wouldn’t be instructed the behind a reasonable doubt but rather, we want you to be certain. Doesn’t matter what we say or think. We could all be in agreement that the accused is innocent & the jury could still render the opposite verdict.

The P had 2 years to vet how many black Foci were in a radius of Delphi. They didn’t present enough additional evidence to pad that particular point, that I am aware.

ETA JMO