Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

[Boxer]

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More than likely it wouldn’t be overly accurate due to the pixelated image. Where there should be definitive hard lines, you can get blurring making it even more difficult. That’s why the face is so difficult to make out.

ETA JMO

MOO a man glaring from under his brow is not hard to make out in the BG still.
MOO Also there is an outline of a deep grip tapering barrel frame handgun that is consistent with a SS P226, not hard to make out printing through the right pocket of BGs jacket (although the prosecution has not used this. https://www.guns.com/used-guns/p/sig-sauer-p226-elite?i=270837)

 

[fred&edna]

I don't think we're expecting such a dramatic moment - surely if the D had the phone and it could help clear RA, they'd have brought it out by now imo. However, just because they don't have it doesn't automatically make RA guilty imo.

Ahhh, okay... kinda like, absence of evidence is not evidence of guilt.

 

[mrjitty]

Yes. That one thing would change everything. It would take all the evidence so far that is perhaps in dispute, and show it in a brand new light.

His own words put him in this position, as they gave law enforcement the probable cause to move forward with a warrant, and ultimately, his arrest. They could very well bury him.

There is actually a crazy amount of direct evidence in this case

5 witnesses who saw Bridge Guy
A video of the killer
Ricks statements to Dulin
Ricks interviews
Ricks confessions/admissions to multiple people

Short of finding the bloody stained box cutter in his sock drawer, I am not sure what is more smoking gun that making incriminating statements on video to your mum

IMO

 

[sunshineray]

RA=BG=Killer has been my moniker since RA's arrest and the PCA was released.

RA puts himself there on that day out of his own mouth, at that time, dressed like the man witnesses saw on the bridge and saw the same girls that saw him as they passed on the Freedom Trail to MHB. He even remembered one of the girls being taller with brown hair after a quick, couple of seconds view is creepy in and of itself IMO.

RA's gun that he's never loaned out, or let anyone else borrow was matched by ejector markings from the round recovered between Abby & Libby's bodies on property he has said he's never been on or doesn't know the owner of. His car is seen on video from HHS arriving at the same time and just so happens to park backed in as far away from other vehicles as possible when the parking lot was basically empty.

BB and SC both testified they saw Bridge Guy at the times they stated and video of their vehicles arriving and leaving substantiate their claims. SC saw him muddy and bloody no less.

Now let's throw in the confessions by RA which trickled in at different times, even before RA saw the major discovery dump from the State. His own Defense never had an independent mental health expert examine RA from his incarceration at Westville in November and only started shouting mental duress and 'psychosis' in their Motions filed on April 5th. One day after he confessed to Wife and Mom from a monitored jailhouse phone line. Hmmmm

As a matter of fact, Rozzi and Baldwin had previously stated their client was adjusting as well as could be expected, was cooperating with them and always appeared friendly and helpful during their visits to Westville, which how many were there? 2, 3 maybe total during that 5-6 month period?? We've heard how taxing it was on them to drive that long distance and go through all of the pesky procedures in place to visit their factually innocent client accused of an atrocious double child homicide.

It doesn't make logical sense, it's too coincidental and even with the missteps made by LE, it still doesn't make RA NOT BG=Killer. It just doesn't.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

As always, MOO

Good post! One thing interesting from yesterday's testimony by ISP Holeman was when he and RA were talking guns, building rapport...RA said he always kept a round chambered in his gun. Made me wonder if on the bridge, when that gun is alleged to have been racked, an already chambered round ejected and landed visibly on the railroad and was picked up and pocketed by BG. It could then have possibly fallen out at the crime scene struggling chase with Libby and the bringing her back unnoticed and stepped on, pushed into the dirt as found. Just a thought.

 

[Cedars]

It was kind shocking to me tbh.

Yes, it's not a good idea to rely on headlines. IMO, following true crime is an education, rather than a team sport.

 

[KSwizzle]

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MOO a man glaring from under his brow is not hard to make out i the BG still.
MOO Also there is an outline of a deep grip tapering barrel frame handgun that is consistent with a SS P226, not hard to make out printing through the right pocket of BGs jacket (although the prosecution has not used this. https://www.guns.com/used-guns/p/sig-sauer-p226-elite?i=270837)

My opinion only and I’m not singling you out at all, but as per my last post, why not when you learn that RA has a 226, and you believe this unspent bullet was from a 226, why wouldn’t you at the very minimum canvas the town and try to find out if anyone else owns a 226?

At the very least you could say, under oath, we can confirm with a good degree of certainty that no one else in town owned a 226 at that time, and yes it could be a transient as in a freight driver, but, they wouldn’t have the knowledge you would need to navigate this area etc etc

To me these easily done investigations are the stacking blocks for circumstantial evidence to convict someone

 

[Kudzuu]

I wish I hadn't listened to to John Grisham's interview for his new book about innocent people in jail. He describes the phenomenon of false confessions and talks about the dirty tricks of getting them and LE and PA's pressure to solve high profile or crimes in general. Throw in a naive trusting jury and things can go sideways for an innocent person .

MOO.

I truly hope he is guilty. We don't need to add more to this horrific tragedy.

Having said that I am trying to straddle the fence, look at it from different points of view and stay open minded.

IIRC RA revealed to LE detail(s) only the killer could know. I apologize if I'm incorrect but there's been a lot of confusing statements in this arena.
IMO that will be the smoking gun.

 

[Boxer]

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I have a question that might have been answered and actually presented in court even, what was the height of bridge guy from the down the hill video, I understand the actual video is at times upside down, extremely shaky and whatnot but surely the fbi or some tech company could work it out

The FBI did a good job.
First wanted poster.

https://twitter.com/x/status/886993329312997376

 

[Cota332]

And if they have his DNA, they wouldn't be able to call that a match either. It would be a ratio, a statistical match perhaps to the octillions like BK.

JMO, but I don't think the firearm ejector marks are a fair comparison to touch DNA in this regard.
They're not even trying to 'ratio' it, because - to my knowledge - they didn't compare RA's firearm to the bullet at the scene. The only thing that has been concluded by LE about the bullet is that came from an unknown Sig Sauer P226, and that RA happened to own a Sig Sauer P226. I'd venture to guess that LE didn't feel the need to compare his firearm with the ejector markings, due to a substantial amount of other evidence.
A Sig Sauer P226, being one of the most popular Handguns in the US (it's even the Standard-Issue sidearm for the Navy Seals Teams)

Nevertheless, the point that I was making earlier is that pre-trial, publicly the bullet was considered to be what absolutely linked RA to the scene, with a high degree of probability, determined by science. It was portrayed as a central piece of evidence to the case. We did not get that.

By no means am I saying the bullet should be dismissed as evidence, but it's just not the piece of direct evidence we were hoping.

 

[Boxer]

JMO, but I don't think the firearm ejector marks are a fair comparison to touch DNA in this regard.
They're not even trying to 'ratio' it, because - to my knowledge - they didn't compare RA's firearm to the bullet at the scene. The only thing that has been concluded by LE about the bullet is that came from an unknown Sig Sauer P226, and that RA happened to own a Sig Sauer P226. I'd venture to guess that LE didn't feel the need to compare his firearm with the ejector markings, due to a substantial amount of other evidence.
A Sig Sauer P226, being one of the most popular Handguns in the US (it's even the Standard-Issue sidearm for the Navy Seals Teams)

Nevertheless, the point that I was making earlier is that pre-trial, publicly the bullet was considered to be what absolutely linked RA to the scene, with a high degree of probability, determined by science. It was portrayed as a central piece of evidence to the case. We did not get that.

By no means am I saying the bullet should be dismissed as evidence, but it's just not the piece of direct evidence we were hoping.

The bullet is not the lynchpin though, and taking it for what it is, a match to his type of handgun is worthwhile.
The lynchpin is the timeline.

 

[Boxer]

My opinion only and I’m not singling you out at all, but as per my last post, why not when you learn that RA has a 226, and you believe this unspent bullet was from a 226, why wouldn’t you at the very minimum canvas the town and try to find out if anyone else owns a 226?

At the very least you could say, under oath, we can confirm with a good degree of certainty that no one else in town owned a 226 at that time, and yes it could be a transient as in a freight driver, but, they wouldn’t have the knowledge you would need to navigate this area etc etc

To me these easily done investigations are the stacking blocks for circumstantial evidence to convict someone

MOO because Indiana is bristling with guns, and a big 2nd amnedment state.
Sheriff's asking if you have a specific gun in your home is not going to even jive with the ethics of the sheriff.

 

[Cedars]

dbm

 

[fred&edna]

Will there be enough circumstantial, self-reported/incriminating info, eyewitness reports and cartridge to gun evidence to exclude the killer being anyone else besides RA in the minds of the jurors? It's likely the jurors will acquit because they want more concrete evidence like fibers, dna, and tech data... maybe or especially because it's taken so long to even arrive at a trial.

jmo

 

[Bergmann]

His statements that "It doesn't matter. It's over" is more evidence

If you define that as evidence, then all I can say is we have different definitions of evidence.

JMO

 

[susane7]

I think Holeman wasn't good for the state yesterday. I believe RA is guilty but with so much mistakes in the investigation and the time that passed that allowed him to rid of the evidence, I am worried with a hung jury, honestly.

 

[shonyakay]

Libby and Abby didn't deserve what happened to them.

They were kidnapped.

They were stripped of their clothing.

They were brutally stabbed in their throats resulting in massive blood loss.

They lay on the cold ground for 5 to 10 minutes as their precious lives slowly left their bodies.

That is the cold hard truth and it upsets me greatly that there are those who minimize their suffering.

Everyone can have an opinion but I just ask that you please keep the families in mind when you post and these precious girls' whose absence from this world leaves a significant void that can never be filled.

Let us take comfort in the fact that they are no longer suffering.

"How you left them in them woods, is not what they are experiencing today." - Doug Carter


In loving memory of,
Liberty Rose Lynn & Abigail Joyce

 

[sunshineray]

Moot means subject to uncertainty. The 'physical evidence' bares similarities to RA, but is not conclusive to RA. These are not smoking guns.

Hopefully RA's own words will make clear and confirm a lot things. We may finally get to hear, via MM and others, what RA has to say, in depth, this week!

 

[Cota332]

MOO because Indiana is bristling with guns, and a big 2nd amnedment state.
Sheriff's asking if you have a specific gun in your home is not going to even jive with the ethics of the sheriff.

Just playing Devil's advocate here, but LE could have asked the ATF to pull files to see who in the area may have owned a P226. Of course, that does not include second hand purchases (if dealt out of a FFL), or straw man purchases.

 

[Rosegold68]

Trying to keep up with this from the U.K. and failing!!

However….one thing I wanted to say….the witness who saw BG and described him muddy and covered in blood…..would he not be soaking wet also from the creek?

Wet denim is very obvious. I find it interesting it’s mud/blood she described…. Not ‘wet’

 

[Dhighsmith]

Wait, it doesn’t make sense that the prosecution was super shocked the evidence they fought to get included was included?

Hmm.

JMO

I’m similarly confused that Defense was shocked or “rattled” (TMS) when Pathologist suggested wounds to Abby and Libby were likely caused by a box cutter. That information would have previously been shared by the Prosecutor.