Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

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The prosecution asks Bozinovski about the July 11, 2017 report on swabs from tree branches. She tells the jury these were done at the ISP post in Lafayette Ind. She says she converted a conference room into an exam room there. She tells the jury she examined branches for blood and skin cells and took several swabs and did lab testing at her main office.

Bozinovski said she found most of the branches did not have conclusive DNA and that 2 swabs tested positive for Libby’s blood profile.

Bozinovski told the jury how difficult it was to get swabs and recover DNA from the creek and says the challenge of testing hair was that it needs to have a skin tag at the root and that natural shedding doesn’t have much of a possibility for DNA testing.

She told the jury she did send a sample of human hair to the FBI that consisted of 72 hairs. The FBI told Bozinovski that 3 of the hairs were “not consistent” with Libby or Abby. She told the jury she chose not to test using “rootless” hair testing as there was not enough hairs to even send and there was a low success rate for the testing.

She could have sent the "rootless" hairs to the lab in Texas where the hairs in the Morgan Nick case were tested. It seems like the lab has good success rate...if they can extract DNA from hair that are decades old.
 
I get that but I'm still unsure as to whether the state's theory is that this was planned or not - IMO this is significant in terms of types of proof offered.

I know that the planned vs unplanned thing has been grossly speculated upon from the get go 7 years ago!
It’s likely they don’t have enough evidence to prove pre-planned else he’d have been charged with conspiracy to commit murder also. Conspiracy charges are harder to prove from my understanding but IIRC correctly carry some fairly stiff penalties. Don’t take my word on the penalties, not a lawyer & may vary by state.

JMO
 
Sounds like the DNA testing was thorough and painstaking; but technologies are still evolving (rootless hair), and some DNA that was obtained was degraded or not plentiful enough to be conclusive.

Kind of explains the dodgy comments about DNA that were reported in media through the years.

They had DNA, but it didn’t advance the case as they had hoped.

jmo
 
sorry, that is not a pistol IMO. When someone puts a pistol in their pocket, they put the barrel into the pocket first and the butt last, so their hand can grip the pistol butt and pull the firearm from the pocket ready to use. In the photo of BG, the butt went first and the barrel last. Nobody pocket-carries like that, so whatever is in that pocket, it is not a pistol. JMO

Reasonable doubt for me. BG isn’t moving his mouth in the video. We don’t see him tell the kids anything. We hear the words. Could be anyone who spoke them. Moo based on testimony last week.
There's more to come but alittle over a week into trial and prosecution needs more to get a unanimous jury in my opinion. The "enhanced" video only shows that BG was on the bridge in my opinion and RA said he was at the bridge. And we know other people were in the area that day evidenced by the testimony of the witness who said she went past the parking lot a few times. The gun is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be RAs gun and nothing at the scene of the killing to tie directly to RA. Prosecution needs more. So far what's in evidence is LE saying RA saying many times during his interrogation that he didn't kill the girls so we shall see what else prosecution has that gets admitted today and however many more days before it gets turned over to defense and for the jury to hear or see. It isn't over until it's over, but right now for me it's uphill for prosecution.
 
Latex gloves, layered clothing, trash bags in trunk of car which was backed in. Arrive to car, use key fob to pop trunk, peel off outer layers, gloves, shoes, throw in trash bag, get spare slip on shoes & get in car & drive away. Not even five minutes, if that I’d bet.

JMO
Wonder if they had collected the key fob for testing.
Evidence ( like germs) can lurk in the most overlooked places.
Jmo
 
It’s likely they don’t have enough evidence to prove pre-planned else he’d have been charged with conspiracy to commit murder also. Conspiracy charges are harder to prove from my understanding but IIRC correctly carry some fairly stiff penalties. Don’t take my word on the penalties, not a lawyer & may vary by state.

JMO
Conspiracy requires two people.

 
Wonder if they had collected the key fob for testing.
Evidence ( like germs) can lurk in the most overlooked places.
Jmo
One could go through list of seized items & see.

I would imagine since he cleaned up so well at CS he would have taken off the gloves well before getting to the car. They would easily float downstream & be tough to locate. Unsure of how fast current might be there. Other possibility is gloves were shoved in jacket pocket. Once he’s out of there, fingerprints are of little consequence, it’s the blood transfer about which he’d need to worry.

JMO

ETA first sentence
 
If he was covered in blood like he “slaughtered a pig” there surely would have been DNA in his car

Clotting generally begins within three to 15 minutes, although actual times vary by the amount of blood, surface type and environment. Mixed levels of clotting can indicate that multiple blows or gunshots occurred over time [sources: Dutelle, Wonder].Jan 20, 2022
 
She could have sent the "rootless" hairs to the lab in Texas where the hairs in the Morgan Nick case were tested. It seems like the lab has good success rate...if they can extract DNA from hair that are decades old.
@othram aka DNA Solves is doing incredible work, right?! That’s why I’m happy to see their ads here, instead of irrelevant (to true crime) ads. I also love that they are member(s) of WS, and we can read what they share about the cases they’re working on, the ones they’ve solved, and the ones they still need funding for.
Yes, othram was on my mind, too, while I was reading about the dna analysis (lack thereof).
MOO
 
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It’s likely they don’t have enough evidence to prove pre-planned else he’d have been charged with conspiracy to commit murder also. Conspiracy charges are harder to prove from my understanding but IIRC correctly carry some fairly stiff penalties. Don’t take my word on the penalties, not a lawyer & may vary by state.

JMO
Usually conspiracy charges are for when the thing didn’t actually happen, but there was planning and effort to make it happen. The murders happened, so he would be charged with murder. Which he has been.

JMO
 
I concur. If he did care, he wouldn't have come forward at the beginning of the case, putting himself in the wooded area when Abby and Libby were there. He wasn't trying to "clear" his name, I think, he wanted to get caught.

I think he was trying to tell a half truth to give him cover that he was there...
 
Finger print powder is manipulating the evidence... so yeh, to the Defense team: Things evolve, science exists
The current judicial trend is to exclude enhanced video.


 
The current judicial trend is to exclude enhanced video.


That’s AI though, which is completely different than the processes that have been used for decades.

It’s a brand new technology.
 
Luminol can detect blood UP TO 8 years in ideal circumstances.

But this being surface smear blood if that was transferred somewhere in the car seat or seatbelt, I would think that would last much less. The heat an sun in a car would surely degrade it, especially if he tried to clean it way back then.
 
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