Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

[shonyakay]

I will apologize right now as this has likely been answered many times in earlier threads but I cannot remember the answer. LE mentioned a backpack when these murders occurred. What happened to the backpack? Was it first believed the girls might have had one but actually they didn't? OR was the killer believed to be carrying a backpack? My mind is no steel trap but I distinctly remember a backpack was mentioned by LE. No, I don't believe this backpack has anything to do with the case nor the trial... but I would love additional info if anyone remembers. (It's the little things that stick with me, sometimes) TIA!

Post in thread 'IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #146' Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #146

 

[FromGermany1]

I know Libby was familiar with the trails. I wasn't aware Abby was. That was Abby's first time actually walking across the Bridge though.

I always thought, it was only the bridge-crossing, which was Abby's first time.

 

[Yemelyan]

I think it's possible they are hearing from Maj. Patrick Cicero, blood spatter expert, this afternoon.

 

[SeattleStew]

I remember this. There was an article way back and in it LE asked if anybody saw anybody throw a backpack away and that they would be interested in this.

Duffle bag.

"We're trying to get people that were driving down the Hoosier Heartland, that were on the interstate, that were in Logansport that might have saw somebody walking, hitchhiking-- if they saw a duffle bag laying somewhere, anything. We're just reaching out for people that saw anything within that distance," Riley said.

Tips pour in after suspect identified in Delphi double homicide

The search continues for the person who killed two teenage friends in Delphi one week ago.

www.wthr.com

 

[joe jones]

We have no idea if RA was wearing "the coat" when he entered his vehicle after killing Abby and Libby.

I doubt he took his jeans off, again all predicated on whether you believe state witness who testified about enough blood he looked like he had slaughtered an animal

 

[Yemelyan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850996793720365519

#DelphiTrial Abby’s hands had no blood on them at the crime scene, something blood pattern expert Patrick Cicero says he’s never seen before. Basically, her death would not have been instant, so it’s unusual she didn’t reach for her neck.
@ABC57News

 

[Dhighsmith]

I’ve been thinking back over earlier possible witnesses and evidence that was discussed over and over, one being the couple claimed to have been near the bridge area who (adult male) purportedly witnessed suspect walking opposite direction of the cemetery. Such claim lead many to believe he left the way he arrived. There’s been no further mention of this adult male and female. I immediately rejected the idea that BG retreated by any means other than areas of woods or cemetery due to risk of being seen by witnesses, his clothing would no doubt be wet and show signs of blood.

 

[Ravenmoon]

I will apologize right now as this has likely been answered many times in earlier threads but I cannot remember the answer. LE mentioned a backpack when these murders occurred. What happened to the backpack? Was it first believed the girls might have had one but actually they didn't? OR was the killer believed to be carrying a backpack? My mind is no steel trap but I distinctly remember a backpack was mentioned by LE. No, I don't believe this backpack has anything to do with the case nor the trial... but I would love additional info if anyone remembers. (It's the little things that stick with me, sometimes) TIA!

One week later, no arrests in Delphi killings

"We want to look at any aspect of what somebody might have seen," Riley said, adding that if someone saw a person throwing away a backpack, they'd be interested in"

EBM
Quoted the wrong part of the article

 

[shonyakay]

I always thought, it was only the bridge-crossing, which was Abby's first time.

The first time she crossed the bridge for sure. Thinking back, Abby probably was familiar with the area because her mother had a picture of the bridge on her FB page.

 

[Spartygirl]

It happens despite our (me included) desperate need to have it. I can name 3 cases right off the top of my head where no physical DNA was found: Morphew, Murdaugh, Redwine none had DNA linking them to the victims, but 2 of those were found guilty, just waiting on a retrial for the other.

It seems easier to accomplish when it's a killing done outside of the home, which makes sense.

JMO

Chad Daybell also.. no DNA from him but found guilty !!!

and those victims didn't have a video of him !!

Our Hero Libby actually had the foresight to take one of her and Abby's murderer and all the evidence will tie RA=BG=Killer

 

[tlcya]

We have no idea if RA was wearing "the coat" when he entered his vehicle after killing Abby and Libby.

agree. further, we have no idea if he opened his trunk upon arrival at his backed into the parking spot car at the back of the lot and removed the top (bloodied) layer of clothing and put them all in a hefty bag prior to getting into his car.

 

[Spartygirl]

The first time she crossed the bridge for sure. Thinking back, Abby probably was familiar with the area because her mother had a picture of the bridge on her FB page.

Abby lived right by the bridge with her mom

while she may not have ever crossed it before, she definitely would have been to the trails as their property is right there.

jmo

 

[Melted]

Disclaimer- my theory only!!
I think RA was involved in CSAM either on his own or maybe through his contact in Peru. I think he did go to the trails to meet up with the girls although they certainly were not expecting anyone like him. I think he might have brought the knives and gun as a protection for himself and not knowing what to expect. Something happened- he felt rejected and irate.. the rest is history

If Richard Allen was into CSAM they would have recovered from one of his devices and made it very clear in no uncertain terms during their opening statements.

JMO

 

[FromGermany1]

I remember this. There was an article way back and in it LE asked if anybody saw anybody throw a backpack away and that they would be interested in this.

I remember "the hitchhiker" and "the duffle bag" ....

 

[Yemelyan]

Following testimony from a DNA expert with the Indiana State Police, the state called Maj. Pat Cicero to the stand. Cicero is a LaPorte County sheriff’s major with previous experience as a crime scene investigator. Cicero said his specialty while as a CSI was blood stains.

Cicero explained to the jury how blood stains work and how investigators look at stain shape to pull information about the case. He also explained how CSIs reconstruct scenes.

Cicero was asked to assist with the Delphi murders until Feb. 12, 2024. He didn’t visit the scene until April 4.

The state shared a number of exhibits which showed stains found at the scene and a diagram of where the bodies were found. He pointed out a blood stain on a tree, explaining that it was a transfer stain. Transfer stains are left behind when a bloodied object comes into contact with another. After showing the jury the stains and explaining how CSIs use chemicals to make blood stains stand out, Cicero said all of the stains found at scene were transfer stains.

Cicero then explained the blood stains found on Libby German’s body, including a transfer stain on her foot, lightened blood on her face, and blood found on her thighs. Cicero said due to the altered blood patterns, he believes at one point Libby was sat upright, but then moved after dying. He also added that blood found on the tree belonged to Libby.

He said he did not believe Abby Williams was moved after injury. Williams did not have blood on her hands, which Cicero said could have been due to her possibly being restrained or unconscious.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 9 live blog

Follow the trial of Richard Allen, accused of the Delphi murders, as it continues in the Carroll County Courthouse. Stay updated with WISH-TV's live blog.

www.wishtv.com

 

[sunshineray]

He may have cut the gloves into little pieces with his boxcutter, quick done at the end of his murder session, and scattered them into the creek.

Apropos "quick - quickly": Do you all remember, that LE (DC?) said at the time, that the murderer "quickly came around"? How was it meant, when we now think of RA? No alibi, but somewhere he must have been without knowing by LE, that it was him?? Ruminating a bit ....

Now I think maybe they may have meant, he was interupted and it all escalated from there. He killed Abby quickly and Libby ran, he had to kill her as well, no sexual assault/rape. Then there was time to contemplate, rearrange and cover. JMO

 

[shonyakay]

Abby lived right by the bridge with her mom

while she may not have ever crossed it before, she definitely would have been to the trails as their property is right there.

jmo

What is the street name?

 

[SeattleStew]

I doubt he took his jeans off, again all predicated on whether you believe state witness who testified about enough blood he looked like he had slaughtered an animal

With all my respect to a fellow WS'er, my opinion is that if he could strip Abby and Libby, and re-dress Abby; he could have taken any or all of his clothes off. He certainly would be capable of it.

 

[shonyakay]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850996793720365519

#DelphiTrial Abby’s hands had no blood on them at the crime scene, something blood pattern expert Patrick Cicero says he’s never seen before. Basically, her death would not have been instant, so it’s unusual she didn’t reach for her neck.
@ABC57News

Someone here mentioned she may have fainted. Which would be understandable under the circumstances.

 

[Dhighsmith]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850996793720365519

#DelphiTrial Abby’s hands had no blood on them at the crime scene, something blood pattern expert Patrick Cicero says he’s never seen before. Basically, her death would not have been instant, so it’s unusual she didn’t reach for her neck.
@ABC57News

Based on theory of interruption the time frame was likely significantly shortened than what was originally planned. There’s no evidence onsite of restraints but that’s the only thing I can think of limiting her ability to reach for her throat unless she was somehow subdued.