Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[FromGermany1]

In my amateur opinion he’d been fantasizing about sa with young girl(s) for a very long time and that day decided to act on it. Who knows what he's done in the past and just was never caught? moo

On February 13th 2017 he may have been extremely tired of his life again. I can imagine him thinking "I urgently need to have a "great" se.ual experience, and if it goes wrong for some reason, I'm finally able to do the suicide, as I waited for it and the necessary courage anyway most of my time. I hopefully will have the courage after that, and I will be redeemed from my demons." Each risk would have been (and WAS indeed) accepted by him, because of his longing for death. RA was/is a coward, he said it himself. He needed extreme pressure to use his gun on himself one day.
I would like to know, how often during his last 20 years KA helped him to overcome his strong feelings of guilt, which he may have had quite rightly for molesting or even murdering innocent girls. I can't help but think again of 2012 in Iowa. MOO

 

[BUF]

Harshman says the specific confession from May 2023 had detail only the killer would know.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Day 12 of the Delphi Murders trial begins with the jury expected to hear two hours of audio.

www.wishtv.com

 

[steeltowngirl]

-Harshman said he believes Richard Allen’s voice is the same as Bridge Guy

-Rozzi brought up that Allen was psychotic when making those statements and was received Haldol shots
-He suggested that Haldol would’ve affected his speech
-He also pointed out that Harshman has no training in psychology or speech patterns

^Portions SBM

IMO, drinking alcohol could also affect RA’s voice.
Wouldn’t surprise me a bit if he sounded the same drunk as he did on Haldol.

jmo

 

[Spartygirl]

I wish we could hear because I've been curious if she's really in denial or if she wants him to stop talking because she knows the call is recorded and his words will hurt his case.

jmo

BOTH !! IMO

 

[Inthedetails]

Sounds like the twisted thinking of a man who sliced the throats of two young girls, wanting to be freed from the vivid memories of that, said pictures in his mind tormenting him, while being told to close the door on those memories and convince himself he didn't brutally murder them, when in fact he knows he did. My opinion...this demonic battle in the confines of this killers mind is the very source of his mentality.

I still am holding the idea that he does.not.care. I don't think here is a battle in his head or heart, though I do think his imprisonment depressed him (understandably). I think he cares what people think of him and has likely cared about that his whole life. But, I think that's it.

My opinion, subject to change if we learn something new.

jmo

 

[justtrish]

This bit of information does it for me. If LE investigators didn't know what type or color of vehicle BW was driving that day, but RA revealed it during his confession a year earlier, it's pretty conclusive.

How else would RA know he saw BW driving a white van that afternoon while RA was making the girls undress on the south side of Deer Creek?

It makes me wonder if, until LE heard RA's confession, they didn't realize that the van driving by interrupted the attack in progress and that was the reason the girls and RA went across the creek to the north side.

Based on the updates from court that @MassGuy just posted, I think this white van is very indicative that nobody knew about the color of this vehicle until the detective read the report in August of 2024 and went back to BW to clarify what vehicle he drove. I'd say RA confirmed a key detail that wouldn't have even been something that could be leaked prior to him mentioning it.

 

[Inthedetails]

in a marriage I think that there can be moments ( not murders) that a couple feels they must move past quickly and efficiently otherwise they might have a changed reality...so there are ways to subtly deny something and both partners are going to have an unspoken agreement to sweep the entire mess under the rug including learning an altered memory of the event ... ( I know! Psycho right?) I think with Kathy it's all an act. mOO

I think he's been doing things for her to sweep for a long time, not just in that phone call. Speculation, not fact.

jmo

 

[shonyakay]

It would have been almost impossible for her to convince him it was all in his head.
MOO

Impossible because the only one who knew a white van passed by on that private road (besides the driver) within 15 minutes of "BG" forcing the girls' off of that bridge is Richard Allen.

 

[Megnut]

Now would be a good time for the State to put a psychiatrist on the stand to explain dependency syndrome.

JMO

 

[Mitch1]

The hoops you have to jump through to believe RA is innocent of this crime just keep growing. What will it take for people to believe him when he says he did it? I will reiterate my belief that the only unlucky ones that day out of the three of them were Abby and Libby.

Perhaps it’s the hoops I need to
jump through to find him guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[gremlin444]

@MaxLewisTV

-Harshman believes Weber was driving up his driveway around 2:30 that afternoon which would match up with the confession
-Harshman said Weber’s van wasn’t mentioned in previous reports


-During cross, Brad Rozzi said that “Van” was mentioned hundreds of times in discovery which Allen would’ve received
-Rozzi asked if Harshman believed Weber was credible and he said yes
-Defense indicated yesterday that they might have evidence to contradict Weber’s story

I do hope that Rozzi then produced or was directed to produce evidence to his statement that it was mentioned hundreds of times in discovery, and it that evidence was also verified to be the same documents that the state provided in discovery. If you want to discredit a witness, you have to back up the claims, IMHO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

On February 13th 2017 he may have been extremely tired of his life again. I can imagine him thinking "I urgently need to have a "great" se.ual experience, and if it goes wrong for some reason, I'm finally able to do the suicide, as I waited for it and the necessary courage anyway most of my time. I hopefully will have the courage after that, and I will be redeemed from my demons." Each risk would have been (and WAS indeed) accepted by him, because of his longing for death. RA was/is a coward, he said it himself. He needed extreme pressure to use his gun on himself one day.
I would like to know, how often during his last 20 years KA helped him to overcome his strong feelings of guilt, which he may have had quite rightly for molesting or even murdering innocent girls. I can't help but think again of 2012 in Iowa. MOO

I think you are spot on @FromGermany1

This is also why I feel KA was in grave danger with RA. He acted out his impulse on 2/13/17. Had he not, a murder-suicide may have been his alternative.

He went on since then to lead a “normal” life. Ok, for how long would that last? When would his need to enact sexual violence rear its head again?

jmo

 

[helpfulcharlie]

I still don't think he has a conscience. I think he was concerned about what his wife thought of him rather than concern for his wife.

If something tells me differently, I'll change my mind, but that's how I'm reading him at the moment.

jmopinion

I'm with you on this. Conscience is not the same as worrying about your perception in the eyes of others. A lot of monsters are scared to death of the thought of being seen as monsters by others. Doesn't make them any less monstrous. Hiding vs self-reflection.

 

[BUF]

Don’t you wish we could hear RA on those calls? To hear the full context of those conversations…and also to hear his voice.

 

[Notthisshipsister]

Are you thinking that he kept/hid the one he used on the girls? I wonder where.

I apologize, I am a little late to the game here. I've been missing these boards! Was it specifically proven that a box cutter was used on the girls? As opposed to maybe a folding knife of some sort, which, generally speaking, guys often carry on their pocket?

 

[acehard]

-Rozzi tried to bring up a call Allen made earlier in the day on April 3 where he proclaimed his innocence and said he felt like he was in Guantánamo Bay
-McLeland objected

I guess the defense might play some calls where he declares his innocence later? MOO

 

[minor4th]

So all these lawyer's think that the Odinist theory is possible?

No. I’ve already answered this.

 

[shonyakay]

WOW! This is damning indeed and the timeline fits right on the money! RA COULD NOT HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THIS BY DISCOVERY!! This encounter happened, there's no other logical explanation, IMO. This is THE smoking gun that bolsters all the other witnesses AND confirms RA=BG...the white van....game over.

There's no reasonable doubt after this, IMO, there's NO doubt. AJMO

BARD for sure.

 

[MassGuy]

I guess the defense might play some calls where he declares his innocence later? MOO

Yes. We know there’s at least one they want to play when they get the ball.

 

[Betty P]

Based on the updates from court that @MassGuy just posted, I think this white van is very indicative that nobody knew about the color of this vehicle until the detective read the report in August of 2024 and went back to BW to clarify what vehicle he drove. I'd say RA confirmed a key detail that wouldn't have even been something that could be leaked prior to him mentioning it.

As he said in one of his confessions, when he saw the van, he knew his plans were ruined. After that he never really mentions the girls. He just said they went across the creek and he "cut the necks" because he didn't want witnesses. He completely depersonalized the girls, didn't even think of them as human, as most sociopaths, killers and pederasts do. The girls exist only for his sexual gratification, their lives were meaningless to him. They still are meaningless to him. He's not sorry for killing them. He doesn't care, isn't capable of caring.

BTW, I hope we soon get to hear the recordings of his voice on the phone calls or any recording of it at all.