CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[dotr]

May 7 2025 re-post. rbbm.

What to know about search for 2 missing siblings in rural Nova Scotia | Globalnews.ca

Around 150 people have been searching daily in Pictou County for Lily and Jack Sullivan since they disappeared nearly a week ago. The search has now been scaled back.

globalnews.ca

“They hate being wet and cold, so they immediately would have come back into the house. The only two (foot) prints are right beside the house facing the road and that’s it,” he said.''

'Jack Sullivan has short, blond hair and is wearing blue dinosaur boots. Martell said he had not seen Jack on Friday morning, but believed he was wearing a brown shirt and pants with a pull-up diaper underneath.'

 

[TardisGirl]

Ive been following this from the UK hoping for a positive outcome .
These are just my opinions and questions I have.
How long were the kids really up and about that morning?
The garden seems fenced off, would they need to climb over fence to get out?
Have they ever tried to leave garden before?

I question the timing because realistically could 2 young children cover so much ground in harsh conditions in little time, going by parents timeline the search party was there within an hour. I know kids hide but I just can’t imagine how they wouldn’t have been found,

My opinion in all of this is they sadly didn’t leave the property alive. I don’t know who caused this, family or intruder/abductor. Just my opinion.

 

[iamafiusny]

Ive been following this from the UK hoping for a positive outcome .
These are just my opinions and questions I have.
How long were the kids really up and about that morning?
The garden seems fenced off, would they need to climb over fence to get out?
Have they ever tried to leave garden before?

I question the timing because realistically could 2 young children cover so much ground in harsh conditions in little time, going by parents timeline the search party was there within an hour. I know kids hide but I just can’t imagine how they wouldn’t have been found,

My opinion in all of this is they sadly didn’t leave the property alive. I don’t know who caused this, family or intruder/abductor. Just my opinion.

There is a huge gap in the fence the kids could technically get out of.

But I don't believe the kids were there at all. There's no way a four-year-old wouldn't go into their parents bedroom for something by 10 am, not to mention at least one adult should have gotten out of bed.


Moo

 

[Lucy6226]

Ive been following this from the UK hoping for a positive outcome .
These are just my opinions and questions I have.
How long were the kids really up and about that morning?
The garden seems fenced off, would they need to climb over fence to get out?
Have they ever tried to leave garden before?

I question the timing because realistically could 2 young children cover so much ground in harsh conditions in little time, going by parents timeline the search party was there within an hour. I know kids hide but I just can’t imagine how they wouldn’t have been found,

My opinion in all of this is they sadly didn’t leave the property alive. I don’t know who caused this, family or intruder/abductor. Just my opinion.

RBBM

That's a valid point you've made. How far could they have got on their own? Not that far I expect.

I also would have expected a Welly boot to be found, those things fall off for fun, let alone over uneven ground or potentially running or hiding. Moo

 

[AIGT]

Ive been following this from the UK hoping for a positive outcome .
These are just my opinions and questions I have.
How long were the kids really up and about that morning?
The garden seems fenced off, would they need to climb over fence to get out?
Have they ever tried to leave garden before?

I question the timing because realistically could 2 young children cover so much ground in harsh conditions in little time, going by parents timeline the search party was there within an hour. I know kids hide but I just can’t imagine how they wouldn’t have been found,

My opinion in all of this is they sadly didn’t leave the property alive. I don’t know who caused this, family or intruder/abductor. Just my opinion.

The dispatch logs show that around time the search started the police had determined that they could’ve travelled up to 6kms. That would be if the kids both walked together in a straight line and left the minute after the parents claim to have seen them last(which at the time police were going off that being 8am per dispatch logs).

Realistically they know they wouldn’t have made it 6km but at the time that’s the max distance they set.

 

[Ontario Mom]

RBBM

That's a valid point you've made. How far could they have got on their own? Not that far I expect.

I also would have expected a Welly boot to be found, those things fall off for fun, let alone over uneven ground or potentially running or hiding. Moo

So many missing kids cases in the past where kids "wandered off" and were found far, far outside the area all trained searches ever expected tells me... never assume kid's can't go very far.

Really there's only 2 reasonable options. They wandered got lost, perished and are hidden somehow, or they didn't wander at all but were removed by someone. I have full confidence in the investigation and suspect it won't take much longer to hear an update on which direction this is headed from an LE standpoint.

 

[iamafiusny]

RBBM

That's a valid point you've made. How far could they have got on their own? Not that far I expect.

I also would have expected a Welly boot to be found, those things fall off for fun, let alone over uneven ground or potentially running or hiding. Moo

There should have been something. There's one case of a little boy, I think he was 3, that did actually wander off. I'm sure the dogs helped lead the way, but they also located spots where it looked like he had curled up to sleep so they knew they were on the track. He was found alive

So even if Lilly and Jack managed to hold on to all their belongings there should be scent and signs of the path they took.

Moo

 

[TMich6811]

It does seem extremely strange. I would not have thought the children would have had any clothes the parents were unaware of so by the process of elimination should have been able to work out what both would have been wearing down to their underwear.

I’m not sure I’m understanding this correctly. Are you saying that by process of elimination of the clothes and underwear still
In the home, the parents could determine what they had on?

Like by going through the clothes left in the home they could know their exact outfits and underwear?

 

[paris_paris]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if something happened to them right after their last day at school.

I think that too. I’ve thought from the beginning that something happened in the days before that they were trying to cover up. And for some reason the backpack had to be disappeared as well.

 

[Skigh]

I’m not sure I’m understanding this correctly. Are you saying that by process of elimination of the clothes and underwear still
In the home, the parents could determine what they had on?

Like by going through the clothes left in the home they could know their exact outfits and underwear?

What is so difficult about doing exactly that ?

 

[Andromeda]

Would the parents be able to receive criminal charges without having found the children or remains?

I agree the state of that property speaks volumes

I think if all investigators had was circumstantial evidence, no, because if the bodies were ever recovered and they had already been through the judicial process and lost, they could never retry. That would be double jeopardy. Also, police have to prove there was a crime. No Lilly or Jack means no crime has been committed. Just that they “wandered off”. I imagine, if/when Lilly and/or Jack are recovered, we’ll see lightning speed movement. moo/jmo

 

[iamafiusny]

What is so difficult about doing exactly that ?

I would be surprised if law enforcement didn't ask them to do exactly that. Pretty standard.

Moo

 

[Andromeda]

This has been weighing on mind and I have to ask,is it possible the scent they had picked up and ended at the road could have been from where the kids get on and off the bus and not a route they supposedly took? I'm starting to get a feeling they never left that property. I feel they should take a cadaver dog all over that property,the homes and that camper.

I agree with you. It would be where the kids catch their bus. I’m thinking the reason police had the dogs follow that way was to ascertain whether either of them crossed the road on foot. jmo/moo

 

[iamafiusny]

I agree with you. It would be where the kids catch their bus. I’m thinking the reason police had the dogs follow that way was to ascertain whether either of them crossed the road on foot. jmo/moo

Maybe they left on ATV

Moo

 

[MistyWaters]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if something happened to them right after their last day at school.

Yes it’s weird, so the story goes that Lilly was too sick to go to school on Thursday or Friday yet nobody payed any attention to her on that Friday morning to see if whatever was wrong with her or if her illness had gotten worse. It’s as if the offhand comment that she had a cough was conveniently included in the storyline just to account for why nobody was up and helping her to get ready for school or seeing her off that morning.

Neglect is considered a form of child abuse and in this case the harm that resulted from the children being essentially ignored was they (presumably) wandered into the forest and perished. I’d really have to question if baby M has been allowed to remain with the mother while investigators are attempting to determine what really happened. The reason DM claimed he wasn’t allowed to see the child has a ring of truth. JMO

Child Abuse and Neglect - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

Abuse is considered an act of commission, while neglect is an act of omission in the care of a child, potentially leading to actual harm.
JMO

 

[Lucy6226]

What is so difficult about doing exactly that ?

Honestly I don't think I'd be able to work out what my children were wearing based on what was left in their drawers and washing. I do have twins in nursery though so there are a LOT of clothes!

I always think if my children or partner went missing would I be able to remember what they were wearing that morning?! Maybe it's just a statement of my awful recall skills though

 

[TMich6811]

What is so difficult about doing exactly that ?

I mean I couldn’t even do that for myself let alone the 8363926429 clothes my kids have. Sure - is there something obvious not here but I couldn’t pin point a shirt, pants or underwear

 

[AIGT]

I think if all investigators had was circumstantial evidence, no, because if the bodies were ever recovered and they had already been through the judicial process and lost, they could never retry. That would be double jeopardy. Also, police have to prove there was a crime. No Lilly or Jack means no crime has been committed. Just that they “wandered off”. I imagine, if/when Lilly and/or Jack are recovered, we’ll see lightning speed movement. moo/jmo

If the police have evidence that the parents failure to provide the necessaries of life (example supervise) let to the children going missing then there is a criminal charges that can be brought without a body.

In these cases police usually are strategic about this though if they believe something worse happened. Sometimes charging a parent with this can lead to the parents no longer talking to police about anything (once they invoke rights to counsel). Other times in an effort to claim their innocence for the lesser charge they start talking more, spilling the beans on the other parent etc.

Investigators have a lot to consider in situations like that and its case by case.

 

[Pseudonymph]

I have been idly wondering if maybe the reason Lily kept coming into their room was to tell them that Jack had left. They shooed her away and she never told them. Then she put on her backpack to go get him. Just a possibility. I don't know how that would help us though.

 

[iamafiusny]

I have been idly wondering if maybe the reason Lily kept coming into their room was to tell them that Jack had left. They shooed her away and she never told them. Then she put on her backpack to go get him. Just a possibility. I don't know how that would help us though.

It's a good thought, but there really should be traces of them.

Moo