CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[iamafiusny]

I have been idly wondering if maybe the reason Lily kept coming into their room was to tell them that Jack had left. They shooed her away and she never told them. Then she put on her backpack to go get him. Just a possibility. I don't know how that would help us though.

It's a good thought, but there really should be traces of them.

Moo

 

[tlcya]

Agreed.
It sounds like both little kids were fairly stay-at-home ?
No one knows Jack and Lily like DM and their mom.
Kids can certainly surprise you but iirc, they weren't allowed to play outside even in the back yard of the compound, without someone being there ?
It sounds like just grandma M. and a brother of DM lived in a camper on the property -- was there anyone else living there -- even temporarily -- in a different camper or whatever ?
Asking for a reason.
Imo.

My understanding is that they are likely hunting cabins or shacks, not equipped with running water, electricity, or meant for permanent housing but more a temporary stay. I have no doubt the the search responders probably checked the area of these cabins very closely since DM made a point of telling everyone about them.

 

[branmuffin]

ok I get jordans rule is not just for indigenous, and then there is. jordan principle that is,
This is what bothers me, we do want people to be educated about all this stuff, but I wish they wouldnt make it so confusing, Make it so people want to learn about it.

I think what people are forgetting is the clock starts ticking only after charges have been laid. So the 30 months for Federal Cases and the 18 months for Provincial Cases don't start until someone is actually charged with a crime. It's one of the reasons LE keep information to themselves. According to the article attached, the reason for delays many times is the fairly recent introduction of digital evidence - pouring over police bodycams, cellphone data, geofencing, etc. Since May 2, 2025 LE has been compiling information to review in the disappearance of Jack and Lilly. If they feel they can comfortably bring charges based on the evidence, then and only then will someone be charged. It will be the Crown Attorneys who will be dealing with a ticking clock.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/criminal-case-outcomes-ontario-delays-1.7378668

 

[branmuffin]

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I’ve spent more than a couple of minutes trying to figure out why someone would use the word “instinct” when calling 911 after looking everywhere but failing to find one’s children. Any idea?

‘We just want them home’: Mother of missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County pleads for safe return

The mother of two missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County is pleading for their safe return.

www.ctvnews.ca

BBM
“We get up and look outside. We’re looking everywhere, yelling for them, and I instantly just called 911. I just had the instinct I needed to call.”

Maybe what she meant was mother's intuition.

 

[Diddian]

It is so troubling that there has been no sign of the kids or the direction or means by which they went missing. This is now the 11th day since their absence was reported to authorities and nearly two weeks since they were last seen at school or on the bus.

If it were just one child, I’d be worried about things like uncovered “perc” holes on the property (holes dug to test for depth of water before digging wells…for example, was a second well dug when the RV arrived as a dwelling on the property?), but the likelihood two would accidentally fall into something like that seems remote.

There is so little to go on. Obvious neglect…when one has three children - 16 months, 4 years, and 6 years - one keeps them nearby and in at least close-intermittent view and within close hearing distance (how many of us left the bathroom door ajar when quickly relieving ourselves so we’d hear kids in the nearby room and could call out if they sounded like they were getting into something?…I know I did). And there were two adults there, so they could take turns. If mom needed to doze with the youngest child because she or that child had not slept well during the night, then the other adult could take over watching.

There are also large gaps in the yard fencing which should not have been there if relying on the fence as containment in the absence of adult supervision. And that fencing almost looked like pallets turned on their sides…kids 4 and 6 could easily climb over them, if not just pull boards loose. So, they’d be heavily dependent upon the kids being fully compliant with rules establishing boundaries to any wandering the kids could do without adults nearby. Maybe they had those (the mother seemed to suggest so), but the apparent lack of structure both physically and in caretaking suggests otherwise.

There is also this - the two children missing are not the biological children of the “stepfather” while the child who is not missing is. Whether that would serve as any motivation for either or both adults in the home to reduce the family to that single biological child shared between them must be considered, especially given the oddity of the circumstances (neglect by both toward the older kids, time passed since those kids were seen by others, breakup between the two after the disappearance, statements made by both, animosity between the extended families).

Praying the kids are found alive and placed in safe circumstances.

 

[branmuffin]

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I feel like if my kid/s weren't in the yard my first thought would be to see if a neighbor had spotted them or they went to see if a neighbor could play before 911, checking culverts, assuming they wandered into woods (even though a school day a young child might not think about the day/ time especially if they'd had a no school day on Wed).

Jmo

I find it odd that DM immediately got in the car and started looking in ditches, etc. Neither ever mentions whether the first thing they did was go knock on the door of the camper van and ask the grandmother and brother if the kids were there or whether they had seen them. I also find it odd that the only time I heard about a dog was at least four days later. A dog really does change the narrative to me because kids and dogs just go together. Where is the dog? Is it friendly? Have we even seen it? Is it left to run loose? I also find it odd that the grandmother and other son have kept such a low profile we haven't had any comments from either other than when she ordered MBM's mother off the property.

 

[seasideForest]

This has been weighing on mind and I have to ask,is it possible the scent they had picked up and ended at the road could have been from where the kids get on and off the bus and not a route they supposedly took?

Good point. I wonder too. I don't suppose even a specially trained dog can tell how old a scent is. Maybe somebody has answered already.

 

[Skigh]

Honestly I don't think I'd be able to work out what my children were wearing based on what was left in their drawers and washing. I do have twins in nursery though so there are a LOT of clothes!

I always think if my children or partner went missing would I be able to remember what they were wearing that morning?! Maybe it's just a statement of my awful recall skills though

I am sure if one of them went missing it would focus your mind.

 

[Diddian]

I am sure if one of them went missing it would focus your mind.

Also, if kids are dressing themselves, they tend to choose “favorite” clothes, so those would be the first items you’d check to see if they are missing.

 

[iamafiusny]

I find it odd that DM immediately got in the car and started looking in ditches, etc. Neither ever mentions whether the first thing they did was go knock on the door of the camper van and ask the grandmother and brother if the kids were there or whether they had seen them. I also find it odd that the only time I heard about a dog was at least four days later. A dog really does change the narrative to me because kids and dogs just go together. Where is the dog? Is it friendly? Have we even seen it? Is it left to run loose? I also find it odd that the grandmother and other son have kept such a low profile we haven't had any comments from either other than when she ordered MBM's mother off the property.

Not just a car, but an ATV to check dirt roads. If anything you might check up and down the street to see if they tried to walk to school or a friend's house.

I've posted before how bothered I am by the choices they made that morning. I think i would start inside the trailer and check hiding places and work my way out. Even people that don't follow missing cases know kids like to hide and can squeeze in some unusual spots. We've all heard about the kids that unfortunately passed away playing in trunks or unplugged appliances.

None of it makes any sense which is why I think there's no truth to it at all. I think the kids were already gone by Friday morning.

JMO

 

[AcerPacer]

I find it odd that DM immediately got in the car and started looking in ditches, etc. Neither ever mentions whether the first thing they did was go knock on the door of the camper van and ask the grandmother and brother if the kids were there or whether they had seen them. I also find it odd that the only time I heard about a dog was at least four days later. A dog really does change the narrative to me because kids and dogs just go together. Where is the dog? Is it friendly? Have we even seen it? Is it left to run loose? I also find it odd that the grandmother and other son have kept such a low profile we haven't had any comments from either other than when she ordered MBM's mother off the property.

It really is VERY confusing why Daniel's mother and brother have not been mentioned apart from "kicking some people off the premises" ..if they actually DID live there, they should be crucial to the investigation? Whilst the children are totally unrelated to these people, surely they must have formed a r'ship with them? They must care?
Where were they when the kids were reported missing??
It's so difficult to understand that nobody is talking, (aside from the RCMP who will remain tight lipped) why aren't MBM, her mother and family, his family, bio dad's family, friends of all of these people... I wonder why they are all not even laying rumours to rest?

 

[Chimera]

It is so troubling that there has been no sign of the kids or the direction or means by which they went missing. This is now the 11th day since their absence was reported to authorities and nearly two weeks since they were last seen at school or on the bus.

If it were just one child, I’d be worried about things like uncovered “perc” holes on the property (holes dug to test for depth of water before digging wells…for example, was a second well dug when the RV arrived as a dwelling on the property?), but the likelihood two would accidentally fall into something like that seems remote.

There is so little to go on. Obvious neglect…when one has three children - 16 months, 4 years, and 6 years - one keeps them nearby and in at least close-intermittent view and within close hearing distance (how many of us left the bathroom door ajar when quickly relieving ourselves so we’d hear kids in the nearby room and could call out if they sounded like they were getting into something?…I know I did). And there were two adults there, so they could take turns. If mom needed to doze with the youngest child because she or that child had not slept well during the night, then the other adult could take over watching.

There are also large gaps in the yard fencing which should not have been there if relying on the fence as containment in the absence of adult supervision. And that fencing almost looked like pallets turned on their sides…kids 4 and 6 could easily climb over them, if not just pull boards loose. So, they’d be heavily dependent upon the kids being fully compliant with rules establishing boundaries to any wandering the kids could do without adults nearby. Maybe they had those (the mother seemed to suggest so), but the apparent lack of structure both physically and in caretaking suggests otherwise.

There is also this - the two children missing are not the biological children of the “stepfather” while the child who is not missing is. Whether that would serve as any motivation for either or both adults in the home to reduce the family to that single biological child shared between them must be considered, especially given the oddity of the circumstances (neglect by both toward the older kids, time passed since those kids were seen by others, breakup between the two after the disappearance, statements made by both, animosity between the extended families).

Praying the kids are found alive and placed in safe circumstances.

Bbm.
The bolded is concerning, imo !

 

[iamafiusny]

It really is VERY confusing why Daniel's mother and brother have not been mentioned apart from "kicking some people off the premises" ..if they actually DID live there, they should be crucial to the investigation? Whilst the children are totally unrelated to these people, surely they must have formed a r'ship with them? They must care?
Where were they when the kids were reported missing??
It's so difficult to understand that nobody is talking, (aside from the RCMP who will remain tight lipped) why aren't MBM, her mother and family, his family, bio dad's family, friends of all of these people... I wonder why they are all not even laying rumours to rest?

Especially with Daniel being so talkative last week. If gma had seen them, talked to them, etc you know he'd make sure we knew about it.

I think she's intentionally left out for some reason, but not sure what that would be.

Moo

 

[Chimera]

It really is VERY confusing why Daniel's mother and brother have not been mentioned apart from "kicking some people off the premises" ..if they actually DID live there, they should be crucial to the investigation? Whilst the children are totally unrelated to these people, surely they must have formed a r'ship with them? They must care?
Where were they when the kids were reported missing??
It's so difficult to understand that nobody is talking, (aside from the RCMP who will remain tight lipped) why aren't MBM, her mother and family, his family, bio dad's family, friends of all of these people... I wonder why they are all not even laying rumours to rest?

Bbm.
Thanks for bringing this (the emphasized) up, as it feels important somehow ?
Hopefully LE/RCMP have spoken in depth to all who were there that day.
Only my opinion.

 

[Mauig’ma]

I’d also like to know if the bus driver even though was Not to pick up the kids that day, if he still drove that route past their house? If so, did he see either one or anything suspicious?

 

[dotr]

Probably o/t, but just stumbled onto a thread here concerning a young man who went missing from Truro last year, it would be quite something if he was located during the search for the children, imo, speculation, fwiw..

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CANADA Thread 'Zachary Kellock, 23, missing after being picked up by friends, Truro, NS, 14 Jan 2024'

Sep 27, 2024

On January 16th 2024...23 yr old Zachary Kellock of Truro Nova Scotia Canada was picked up by to so called "friends" Craig Pike and Gordie Smith (rumor is smith killed himself out of guilt for beating zack to death and disposing of body)

His mother Joanne Brown reported him missing as she did not hear from him and it was unlike him not to contact her and respond to her messages

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PLEASE SEE LINK! I NEED YOUR SLEUTH SKILLS.

Mother of N.S. man missing in suspicious case wants answers: ‘Do the right thing’ | Globalnews.ca

It's been nearly two months since Zackery Kellock of Truro, N.S. went missing. As time passes and questions go unanswered, the missing man's mother maintains hope.

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[TLobo]

Also, if kids are dressing themselves, they tend to choose “favorite” clothes, so those would be the first items you’d check to see if they are missing.

Yes, this, or maybe the brown shirt and brown pants is what Jack wore to bed the night before - pajamas or just comfy clothes.

 

[iamafiusny]

Yes, this, or maybe the brown shirt and brown pants is what Jack wore to bed the night before - pajamas or just comfy clothes.

I wonder if the brown shirt and pants combo is what we see in one of the photos that's been used in a lot of news reports like this one.

Search for two missing children in rural Nova Scotia continues

Two children missing in rural northeastern Nova Scotia have yet to be found.

www.ctvnews.ca

But I also wouldn't be surprised if he was in just a pull-up.


Jmo

 

[Skigh]

Especially with Daniel being so talkative last week. If gma had seen them, talked to them, etc you know he'd make sure we knew about it.

I think she's intentionally left out for some reason, but not sure what that would be.

Moo

I agree. If Daniel had not been so vocal and keen to detail his actions that morning it would not be so perplexing as to why he did not mention anything about contacting his mother.

 

[Andromeda]

If it were just one child, I’d be worried about things like uncovered “perc” holes on the property (holes dug to test for depth of water before digging wells…for example, was a second well dug when the RV arrived as a dwelling on the property?), but the likelihood two would accidentally fall into something like that seems remote.


There is also this - the two children missing are not the biological children of the “stepfather” while the child who is not missing is. Whether that would serve as any motivation for either or both adults in the home to reduce the family to that single biological child shared between them must be considered, especially given the oddity of the circumstances (neglect by both toward the older kids, time passed since those kids were seen by others, breakup between the two after the disappearance, statements made by both, animosity between the extended families).

Praying the kids are found alive and placed in safe circumstances.

Definitely, it would be a concern if they installed water and septic; however, I think the company that would be drilling the well would be provincially/municipally regulated to plug any perc testing bore holes (especially soil for the septic bed) for liability reasons.

Interesting thought about the kids. But, imo, wouldn’t there be a motive/incentive for a parent to want to do that? As you point out, one was step-dad’s biological child. So he would be 100% responsible for supporting that child. Who knows if she was receiving support from Lilly and Jack’s biological father. But, there are provincial and federal benefits available to struggling parents in Canada. For instance, I suspect she would still qualify for at least the Child Tax Benefit based on their combined net income. I suspect since she has been presented as a full-time mom, she would at least qualify for a portion of the allowable benefit for the two oldest, if not 100% of the benefit for the youngest given DM’s employement status (cut hours/slow work). This is just one benefit open to her.

There has been no mention of life insurance at any point during the investigation.

I’m so jaded. I have so many thoughts around money, now and why, for example, would someone want to broadcast their status to the world?

Here is a link to explaining the Canadian government’s Child Tax Benefit parameter and how to apply for it.
How much can you get - Canada child benefit (CCB) - Canada.ca

Here is a link to how the parents can go about obtaining possibly free legal aid in the province of Nova Scotia.
Qualifying for Nova Scotia Legal Aid | Nova Scotia Legal Aid