CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[tlcya]

Very standard. They can get a ton of information from bank statements.

about? possible debt? Trying to figure out what they would be looking to glean. Maybe looking for unusual transactions. money in or out that seems different from the regular banking activity?

 

[AIGT]

about? possible debt? Trying to figure out what they would be looking to glean. Maybe looking for unusual transactions. money in or out that seems different from the regular banking activity?

Everything from dates/times/locations of transactions to money in/out, merchants used, discrepancies between bank activity or lack of bank activity and any new/expensive items a person may have, frequent atm withdrawals or atm withdrawals at odd hours and more. They can really put together a nice profile of a person and their lifestyle based on banking records.

 

[detective.moon]

about? possible debt? Trying to figure out what they would be looking to glean. Maybe looking for unusual transactions. money in or out that seems different from the regular banking activity?

i’m guessing they could check for anything suspicious or unusual, from large cash withdrawals, to buying something from a place where you could buy weapons or things to cover up a crime, a purchase that shows that he travelled to an unusual area, etc! or anything that doesn’t match what he told LE about his timeline for the week the children went missing.

 

[Gut_feeling]

They could have given them some medicine to make them sleep, thinking it was safe, and then they both overdosed.

That is a VERY interesting theory.

 

[sunshineray]

Back in comment 984, I said "MOO I believe the parents are responsible for what happened to poor Jack and Lilly; I haven't made up my mind if this was active or passive/negligent." Sadly, to put a finer point on it, I don't believe the Friday morning story from either of them is true because I believe whatever happened to the children didn't happen on Friday morning. MOO. I don't believe that if MBM was "drifting in and out of sleep" as she described it, that during one of her awake moments she wouldn't have gotten up to check on a sick child or a child who spent the night in pull-ups (or at least told DM to get up and check. It may not have been a conscious and active choice if her sleep was due to something she'd consumed the night before. IMO.

Agree with you, with one caveat...it would have been MBM's active choice to consume that something the night before. I want to know if Lilly was seen wearing that pink shirt at school on Tuesday, the shirt she was described wearing the last time she was seen in the home, the morning she disappeared. Just very curious about that as I also think they probably went missing well before it was reported. MO

 

[Angelcat13]

Find it deeply unbelievable that these doors in this clunky, unkempt trailer were opening noiselessly. Seriously, this case gives me a hedache. On one hand DM seems to really care about these kids and their vanishing (if he is pretending hand him the Academy Award), on the other, the stories about how the kids went missing, from both parents, sound very, very iffy. The noiseless door, the kids closing them carefully behind themselves, none of the parents getting up to actually check what the kids were doing in the kitchen... That's just... No.

Add to it the fact nothing was found, no backpack, no boots and kids lose the wellies super easily... And the doubts are growing.

Good point about it seeming unlikely that the doors wood be smoothly and silently opening/closing in this otherwise unkempt home since it is so easy for the tracks of sliding doors to get clogged with dirt, hair, etc even in a well-maintained home. I didn't even think of that so I applaud you for a good observation.

I really don't know what to make of the statements made by the mom and stepdad as they seem to be both detailed, vague, contradictory, rehearsed, etc. It almost seems like whatever happened to the kids wasn't planned and IF one or more of the parents were involved maybe their stories evolved as they "learned" more about how a parent of a missing child "should" be responding/acting. It would be interesting to know if there have been any internet searches regarding missing children either right before Jack & Lilly went missing and/or afterwards. But the parents could then say they were researching this because they felt lost and overwhelmed and were looking for support and/or ideas in how to search for the kids. I also wonder, as others have said previously, if there is any history of domestic violence, child abuse/neglect, reports to CPS, mental health or substance abuse issues.

It would also be interesting to see the school attendance records since this could indicate a child with health issues, parents with some sort of issue (substance abuse, depression, etc) that affected the their ability to get up and get the kids ready and off to school. At least one person here has mentioned that perhaps the parents reported the kids missing on Friday after realizing that the school may contact authorities since the kids were absent on Thursday & Friday. As a parent of three (plus I was very involved with all of the schools they attended) I don't see it being common practice for a school to contact the police about an absence(s) unless it was an ongoing issue that could be considered truancy and/or neglect that jeopardizes a child's well-being. The other scenario where I could see the school notifying the police is if the children were absent without a parent notifying the school and that this was not typical for that particular family and the school was unable to reach either parent or emergency contact to verify that things were OK. This happened years ago to neighbors of my aunt, uncle and cousins. My 6 y/o cousin used to walk a couple of doors down to meet two sisters and they would all walk to school. One day my cousin went to their house and found the hard door open (screen door closed), lights and TV were on but noone came to the door so she walked on to school by herself. When the sisters didn't show up at school and the school was unable to contact the parents at home (before cell phones) they were able to reach the father through his work (he was away on business as the family was being transferred out of state). When the father was also unable to reach anyone he had the police to a welfare check. Unfortunately they found the mother and two little girls dead. A neighbor who was obsessed with the wife (there was no relationship between them) was angry that the family was moving and killed them.

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[AIGT]

Agree with you, with one caveat...it would have been MBM's active choice to consume that something the night before. I want to know if Lilly was seen wearing that pink shirt at school on Tuesday, the shirt she was described wearing the last time she was seen in the home, the morning she disappeared. Just very curious about that as I also think they probably went missing well before it was reported. MO

Good point, would be interesting if she was wearing the those clothes on Tuesday at school.

 

[Skigh]

It would also be interesting to know if there were other times of Lilly being unwell and Jack also not attending school.

 

[sunshineray]

If you thought your kids were outside playing in the backyard and then you couldn't see them, living in a very rural area with woods and a kid's play hut built just into the woods off the yard, would your first objective be to jump in your vehicle, take off and drive all around away from the home, turning down roads, looking in culverts along the way? Or would it be to first scour the woods surrounding your house calling out to them? Is it just me or does that seem very much an over-blown story contrived for effect?

 

[iamafiusny]

If you thought your kids were outside playing in the backyard and then you couldn't see them, living in a very rural area with woods and a kid's play hut built just into the woods off the yard, would your first objective be to jump in your vehicle, take off and drive all around away from the home, turning down roads, looking in culverts along the way? Or would it be to first scour the woods surrounding your house calling out to them? Is it just me or does that seem very much an over-blown story contrived for effect?

Very much this:
Is it just me or does that seem very much an over-blown story contrived for effect?

 

[Fabled Automatic]

I want to know if Lilly was seen wearing that pink shirt at school on Tuesday, the shirt she was described wearing the last time she was seen in the home, the morning she disappeared. Just very curious about that as I also think they probably went missing well before it was reported. MO

Interesting thought. What are you thinking it could indicate if she was wearing the same shirt?

 

[sunshineray]

Find it deeply unbelievable that these doors in this clunky, unkempt trailer were opening noiselessly. Seriously, this case gives me a hedache. On one hand DM seems to really care about these kids and their vanishing (if he is pretending hand him the Academy Award), on the other, the stories about how the kids went missing, from both parents, sound very, very iffy. The noiseless door, the kids closing them carefully behind themselves, none of the parents getting up to actually check what the kids were doing in the kitchen... That's just... No.

Add to it the fact nothing was found, no backpack, no boots and kids lose the wellies super easily... And the doubts are growing.

The way in which they both said how noiseless the slider was...almost practised. MO

 

[sunshineray]

Interesting thought. What are you thinking it could indicate if she was wearing the same shirt?

That the kids possibly didn't disappear on the day being stated?

 

[AIGT]

If you thought your kids were outside playing in the backyard and then you couldn't see them, living in a very rural area with woods and a kid's play hut built just into the woods off the yard, would your first objective be to jump in your vehicle, take off and drive all around away from the home, turning down roads, looking in culverts along the way? Or would it be to first scour the woods surrounding your house calling out to them? Is it just me or does that seem very much an over-blown story contrived for effect?

From the pictures of the property, the different sheds, vehicles, debris etc - I think you could spend hours on a thorough search just within the vicinity of the trailer. Even if just doing a panicked cursory search, I don't see a scenario where you feel like you have to get in a vehicle to look for a 4 and 6 year old who would’ve walked away within the last 20 minutes. For some reason Martell felt he had to give the impression he had searched the whole property and all the roads around the property already - In my opinion trying to signal “they’re nowhere near the property, go look somewhere away from here”.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

FWIW- The RCMP did ask people in neighbouring properties to check them as the search was on.

“She <RCMP spokesperson> said that people are being asked to give searchers the space to do their work but "are obviously hoping people are checking their yards, checking any properties if they are in the area of their own personal properties."

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7525893

The frustration I feel is that people don’t always do that. In Toronto I volunteered in two searches where each victim’s remains were found on private property. Here in Nova Scotia a few years ago, a lady with dementia had parked her truck and wandered away. Much later, she was found within the search area, deceased. She was on private farm property.

I’m 3 hours away from where the two children are missing, and I’m not familiar with the area. It’s very rural, but I’m wondering if any seasonal home or land owners might be in the area and unaware of the search.

 

[Skigh]

From the pictures of the property, the different sheds, vehicles, debris etc - I think you could spend hours on a thorough search just within the vicinity of the trailer. Even if just doing a panicked cursory search, I don't see a scenario where you feel like you have to get in a vehicle to look for a 4 and 6 year old who would’ve walked away within the last 20 minutes. For some reason Martell felt he had to give the impression he had searched the whole property and all the roads around the property already - In my opinion trying to signal “they’re nowhere near the property, go look somewhere away from here”.

I can understand getting in the car if the first assumption was that the children had tried to get to school and went to wait for the bus. Though if that was a possibility would Jack not also have taken his backpack?

 

[FansBlowing]

If there were several cars there Wednesday or Thursday, it doesn't have to be that there was a party. It could be that the kids had overdosed and they called their family members to have a meeting about what to do. Perhaps they knew what the kids were wearing because they buried them with their favorite things - unicorn/dino boots, favorite backpack, wearing pink, etc. If this is the case, then the whole family is concealing these deaths.

 

[branmuffin]

I think if she had the goods on him by now there woukd be an arrest. Police don’t typically stand by and wait.

However it’s possible he is covering up for something that occurred involving her that’s even more negligent than what they admitted to. For example while he was at work she left the two oldest children totally unattended, when she came home they were gone. Afterward she took off out of guilt and left her partner to face it all. That’s just a guess I have no idea but that he’s hardly mentioned her name nor disparaged her for not offering assistance in the search is admirable IMO. Maybe he still loves her, protecting her as the mother of their child, maybe he feels pity for her, I don’t know. I can’t quite a sense of what she’s all about. But I can’t help feeling she is central to the mystery. JMO

I agree. My impressions of the difference in the way these two have dealt with the disappearance is based on their own ways of dealing with stress. But stress from hiding something more than the stress of having missing kids. He becomes motormouth and she becomes a sphinx.

I was wondering whether she and he had a little talk the first day about how they would relate events to LE to get their stories straight. But his grandiose manner of talking about wading thigh deep in water and screaming their names running ahead of helicopters and covering 20 acres on the ATV just sounds like overcompensation to me. And it made her fearful. And not because he's guilty of doing something to those kids per se but because of neglect on both their parts. So for me, I have to wonder how benign that neglect was. Was it falling asleep while the kids had free rein for hours unattended and they have no idea when they left. Was it leaving them home alone on one of the days prior to the disappearance then finding them gone and actually went out and looked for them to no avail which prompted them to create a narrative because you can't ignore missing kids. Or were they engaged in dangerous behaviors that put their children in a high risk environment.

I don't know the answer to those questions but my gut tells me whatever happened has more to do with neglect than an outright criminal offense. But I'm wondering if they do know where they are, especially if the time line is off. IMO

 

[iamafiusny]

I can understand getting in the car if the first assumption was that the children had tried to get to school and went to wait for the bus. Though if that was a possibility would Jack not also have taken his backpack?

He also made a point of going on atv to check dirt roads and culverts

I imagine he also would have checked the road while he drove, but that's not the same as driving the route the bus would take.

Imo

 

[MarcieM]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed. There is no need to trash anyone for their housekeeping>

Or they just have no idea at all what happened/dont want to remember because they were so out of it that they woke up and found an empty house, closed door and assigned this story

I have wondered this, maybe they really have no clue when the children actually went missing.