CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[iamafiusny]

I agree. My impressions of the difference in the way these two have dealt with the disappearance is based on their own ways of dealing with stress. But stress from hiding something more than the stress of having missing kids. He becomes motormouth and she becomes a sphinx.

I was wondering whether she and he had a little talk the first day about how they would relate events to LE to get their stories straight. But his grandiose manner of talking about wading thigh deep in water and screaming their names running ahead of helicopters and covering 20 acres on the ATV just sounds like overcompensation to me. And it made her fearful. And not because he's guilty of doing something to those kids per se but because of neglect on both their parts. So for me, I have to wonder how benign that neglect was. Was it falling asleep while the kids had free rein for hours unattended and they have no idea when they left. Was it leaving them home alone on one of the days prior to the disappearance then finding them gone and actually went out and looked for them to no avail which prompted them to create a narrative because you can't ignore missing kids. Or were they engaged in dangerous behaviors that put their children in a high risk environment.

I don't know the answer to those questions but my gut tells me whatever happened has more to do with neglect than an outright criminal offense. But I'm wondering if they do know where they are, especially if the time line is off. IMO

I've been puzzling over their two different reactions, because according to reports they were met with privately right before the RCMP held the press conference where they said it was unlikely the kids were still alive.

Her reaction was to go sit in an ambulance (panic attack?), go home with her mom and baby, and cut DM out of her life completely. We haven't seen or heard from her again.

DM remained in front of cameras for a week, but not to talk about Lilly and Jack. Don't you think you'd need at least a day if you'd just been told your step kids have likely passed away?

Moo

 

[branmuffin]

It’s not a bad thought but agree on the not being that smart so less likely. He has been pretty open about the abduction theory and how the boot print was at the road etc.

Plus they said the kids were playing outside

It just seems strange me that if the kids regularly played outside there would only be one usable boot print on the whole property. And it just happened to be a print that showed Lilly was facing the road which meshes with the abduction theory. IMO

 

[AIGT]

I've been puzzling over their two different reactions, because according to reports they were met with privately right before the RCMP held the press conference where they said it was unlikely the kids were still alive.

Her reaction was to go sit in an ambulance (panic attack?), go home with her mom and baby, and cut DM out of her life completely. We haven't seen or heard from her again.

DM remained in front of cameras for a week, but not to talk about Lilly and Jack. Don't you think you'd need at least a day if you'd just been told your step kids have likely passed away?

Moo

Remember that press conference was well after she had left. Her going to the ambulance was halfway through a non public briefing for the family on day two - just after major crimes was tapped. By all accounts it really thing that changed the morning of the briefing was the expansion from just SAR to major crimes becoming involved but we dont know exactly what was said at this briefing

 

[MarcieM]

Interesting regarding the dispatch logs. I also got the impression he was trying to insert himself in the search and being kept out of the loop just based on things he said.

Moo

I really hope it's because he's genuine but maybe I just really want to believe that.

 

[iamafiusny]

Remember that press conference was well after she had left. Her going to the ambulance was halfway through a non public briefing for the family on day two - just after major crimes was tapped. By all accounts it really thing that changed the morning of the briefing was the expansion from just SAR to major crimes becoming involved but we dont know exactly what was said at this briefing

Thank you. I got mixed up. Thats very different (but could also cause a panic attack.).

 

[branmuffin]

I'm not sure if the handle of their door is any higher than average, but they're generally 3 to 4 feet from the ground. I also don't know the height of the children, but I'm guessing at 4 and 6 years old, they'd potentially struggle with a handle that height. I'd imagine they might leave hand prints on the glass door if they used it.

Also in this pic, I just recently noticed what appears to be a smaller mattress laying between the two porches. Could be unrelated.

View attachment 586053Source of pic

Based on the location of the handle wouldn't it have been easier for the kids to exit by the regular door? I'm sure Lilly would have known how to get it open as well as the screen door.

 

[Ursa Major]

I hope authorities did already question the stepather's coworkers at the sawmill where he works. Specifically, whether or not he was spotted there at unusual times or showing up unexpectedly. MO this whole story doesn't make any sense and sounds just terrible.

 

[sunshineray]

From the pictures of the property, the different sheds, vehicles, debris etc - I think you could spend hours on a thorough search just within the vicinity of the trailer. Even if just doing a panicked cursory search, I don't see a scenario where you feel like you have to get in a vehicle to look for a 4 and 6 year old who would’ve walked away within the last 20 minutes. For some reason Martell felt he had to give the impression he had searched the whole property and all the roads around the property already - In my opinion trying to signal “they’re nowhere near the property, go look somewhere away from here”.

Were searches done on the property, the trailers, the vehicles?

 

[Skigh]

I hope authorities did already question the stepather's coworkers at the sawmill where he works. Specifically, whether or not he was spotted there at unusual times or showing up unexpectedly. MO this whole story doesn't make any sense and sounds just terrible.

I imagine trained officers will be looking at everyone close to them. If we are thinking of things I am sure they are too.
We are just getting frustrated as there are no updates and nothing new to discuss.

 

[thispersonj]

If you thought your kids were outside playing in the backyard and then you couldn't see them, living in a very rural area with woods and a kid's play hut built just into the woods off the yard, would your first objective be to jump in your vehicle, take off and drive all around away from the home, turning down roads, looking in culverts along the way? Or would it be to first scour the woods surrounding your house calling out to them? Is it just me or does that seem very much an over-blown story contrived for effect?

Correct. You would not jump in a car. I grew up in an area almost exactly like this property and my parents would have gone looking out the back, down the path into the forest, on both sides of the house, behind the coop, etc. (Something I've wondered: Does everyone who lives on the edge of a forest like this have a trampled or cleared path? Maybe not but, growing up, this seemed pretty standard.) You might go check the closest neighbours, if they're within a certain distance, which is not really the case here at 500m-or-so away.

I've generously chalked this silliness up to him omitting it because it took place prior to her calling 911. Also, she says she "instantly" called 911 which, again, sounded very silly to me having grown up in a super rural area. If you grew up in the suburbs or the city, please don't come for me. It's pretty normal for kids to play around in the vicinity and wild animals are a part of forest life.

 

[Jade]

Seeing the pictures of the property I don’t see where it is all that difficult terrain. I was picturing heavy impenetrable briars and undergrowth like we have in the Deep South where you literally can’t step forward for the vines, shrubs and trees. Or a landscape like the tall, dense, tangled, disorienting Rhodendrum/Laurel hells of Appalachia.

The pictures may be deceiving but it looks inviting in those fluffy trees and you can actually see the ground. The two could been packing some snacks in the kitchen to go for their own walk seeing how adults were busy. The slider may have been purposely gently closed so as to not make any sound to disturb the resting adults or as the adults said they were sleeping on and off and they missed hearing the sound.

Overhead views of home:

Missing Siblings Lily Jack Sullivan Nova Scotia 2025

I’m sort of back on they they took a little adventure on their own and are out there together somewhere having become lost. As others have noted when those ages get up in the morning they are ready for action and may have decided since Mom is busy with the baby we will just go on.

all imo

 

[Cordelia Gray]

I agree. My impressions of the difference in the way these two have dealt with the disappearance is based on their own ways of dealing with stress. But stress from hiding something more than the stress of having missing kids. He becomes motormouth and she becomes a sphinx.

I was wondering whether she and he had a little talk the first day about how they would relate events to LE to get their stories straight. But his grandiose manner of talking about wading thigh deep in water and screaming their names running ahead of helicopters and covering 20 acres on the ATV just sounds like overcompensation to me. And it made her fearful. And not because he's guilty of doing something to those kids per se but because of neglect on both their parts. So for me, I have to wonder how benign that neglect was. Was it falling asleep while the kids had free rein for hours unattended and they have no idea when they left. Was it leaving them home alone on one of the days prior to the disappearance then finding them gone and actually went out and looked for them to no avail which prompted them to create a narrative because you can't ignore missing kids. Or were they engaged in dangerous behaviors that put their children in a high risk environment.

I don't know the answer to those questions but my gut tells me whatever happened has more to do with neglect than an outright criminal offense. But I'm wondering if they do know where they are, especially if the time line is off. IMO

I am thinking the same thing. The fact that on the scanner the time the kids went missing is noted as 8am and there was no call made to 911 until 10am. I am thinking the children went missing much earlier and they parents thought they would return home or they would find them. When they saw no sign of them they corroborated a story and made the call. There are signs of neglect and I believe they are aware of that. They both seem to feel that they need to show how involved they are by using the words like 'instantly' and 'running ahead of the helicopters'. They may have wanted the amber alert as they have no idea what happened to the children. My daughter has ADHD and would often wander of when she was younger. Her majority level is about 2 years younger than her actual age. If Jack and Lily are similar it would more be like a 4 and 2 year old wondering off. Kids that are neurodiverse require a lot more supervision.

 

[seasideForest]

Do we know if those aerial shots were from the morning of the disappearance?

That's an important question. Knowing could potentially put a number of theories to rest and to narrow down on what really happened. MOO

 

[AIGT]

Were searches done on the property, the trailers, the vehicles?

Yes, the police did at least two thorough searches of the residence and property aimed at locating the children on the first day

 

[thispersonj]

I agree. My impressions of the difference in the way these two have dealt with the disappearance is based on their own ways of dealing with stress. But stress from hiding something more than the stress of having missing kids. He becomes motormouth and she becomes a sphinx.

I was wondering whether she and he had a little talk the first day about how they would relate events to LE to get their stories straight. But his grandiose manner of talking about wading thigh deep in water and screaming their names running ahead of helicopters and covering 20 acres on the ATV just sounds like overcompensation to me. And it made her fearful. And not because he's guilty of doing something to those kids per se but because of neglect on both their parts. So for me, I have to wonder how benign that neglect was. Was it falling asleep while the kids had free rein for hours unattended and they have no idea when they left. Was it leaving them home alone on one of the days prior to the disappearance then finding them gone and actually went out and looked for them to no avail which prompted them to create a narrative because you can't ignore missing kids. Or were they engaged in dangerous behaviors that put their children in a high risk environment.

I don't know the answer to those questions but my gut tells me whatever happened has more to do with neglect than an outright criminal offense. But I'm wondering if they do know where they are, especially if the time line is off. IMO

Emphasis added by me/BBM

It's funny because we have very similar supporting "evidence" for our very different theories. Mine is that parents are guilty and mom took the baby and ran because DM referred to Jack and Lilly in the past tense in that first televised interview.

 

[MarcieM]

I think if she had the goods on him by now there woukd be an arrest. Police don’t typically stand by and wait.

However it’s possible he is covering up for something that occurred involving her that’s even more negligent than what they admitted to. For example while he was at work she left the two oldest children totally unattended, when she came home they were gone. Afterward she took off out of guilt and left her partner to face it all. That’s just a guess I have no idea but that he’s hardly mentioned her name nor disparaged her for not offering assistance in the search is admirable IMO. Maybe he still loves her, protecting her as the mother of their child, maybe he feels pity for her, I don’t know. I can’t quite a sense of what she’s all about. But I can’t help feeling she is central to the mystery. JMO

Yes, yes, yes!

 

[sunshineray]

If there were several cars there Wednesday or Thursday, it doesn't have to be that there was a party. It could be that the kids had overdosed and they called their family members to have a meeting about what to do. Perhaps they knew what the kids were wearing because they buried them with their favorite things - unicorn/dino boots, favorite backpack, wearing pink, etc. If this is the case, then the whole family is concealing these deaths.

I wonder if that local driving by who saw all those cars, so many even one was parked on the street, was able to describe even a few of them to LE.

 

[branmuffin]

And yet...the children in the pictures look clean, happy, and well nourished.

I find it hard to believe that if the children were being physically neglected, no other adults in their lives would have reported it, such as the bus driver or their teachers.

JMO

If I took the time I could produce a lot of pictures of smiling young kids dressed in party clothes, little girls with bows in their hair all the while they lived in a house of horrors. And it's odd how many times those little girls, especially, are named Nevaeh.

'Nevaeh did not have to die': Grandmother of 6-month-old Greensboro infant killed addresses court

Disturbing new details came to light as the mom of the baby, and her boyfriend faced a judge for the first time since they were both charged with murder.

www.10tv.com

GRAPHIC: New details describe moments before Nevaeh Allen’s death

More details have been released surrounding the death of 2-year-old Nevaeh Allen whose body was found in Mississippi on Sunday, Sept. 26 after she was reported missing on Friday, Sept. 24.

www.wifr.com

https://www.tps.ca/media-centre/stories/her-name-is-neveah/

Family members of 4-month-old killed believe more people could be involved in her death

(KUTV)- Provo police say the investigation into the death of a 4-month-old baby girl is not over even though one man is behind bars.Cameron Willingham, the mother's boyfriend, was booked into the Utah County Jail Wednesday on suspicion of child abuse homi

kutv.com

Murder of Neveah Gallegos - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Diddian]

I imagine trained officers will be looking at everyone close to them. If we are thinking of things I am sure they are too.
We are just getting frustrated as there are no updates and nothing new to discuss.

No updates, nothing new to discuss, and more time is passing... after LE has already said that "if they wandered off, they are not likely alive."

So, looking for any kind of hope that they may be alive if their absence is due to something other than having wandered off. For example, taken by their birth father, taken by someone who considered them endangered in their current living circumstances, sold or given away as some kind of "private adoption."

 

[thispersonj]

I have a question for anyone who wants to answer.

Do you have any questions you would love to have answered that haven't come up in discussion here?

(Apart from, say, where are the children?)

Here are the two I keep thinking about:

• Are there any vehicles registered to or known to be used by the people who live at this address that are currently unaccounted for?
• Have the police requested internet records from their ISP? (This is the only way to get incognito/private searches and history unless the user employs a VPN.)