CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

Gotcha. I know with our Ontario bus line/school board, our driver will not drop our son off without a parent/guardian present because he's in senior kindie (obv, same goes for JK) but this rule does not apply for grade 1s and up. I didn't know info about this rule had come out about Jack/Lilly's bus line.

Please pardon my potential ignorance here around absentee drop off: Are you going so far as to suggest they might have been scooped by someone after being dropped off? If so, why would the parents have waited to report? Maybe because, by the time they noticed, the kids would have been home alone for hours and that would look terrible on them? Am I going in the right direction here? Or is it a simple question of the bus driver having done his due diligence?
There is little we know, but I am with those who think the narrative told by the two adults in the home seems contrived and full of contradictions. I really wonder what the truth is about WHEN the children disappeared and HOW LONG it took the adults to do something about it.
 
Calling the school to see if they got on the bus - That’s another good point especially with their timeline

It would be really good to know the timeline and estimate of when the children were noticed to be missing. As it is now we’re led to believe a bunch of chaotic stuff happened shortly before 10am. Or were this couple really looking for two whole hours before a 10am 911 call was made and it was 8am when the children went missing? Two hours is an extraordinarily long time to waste in an emergency situation.

And why not tell it like it is? As in “we were still in bed attempting to get our youngest back to sleep and we think the other two snuck out of the house to catch the school bus but it had already gone by.” No, mom says something about the children playing outside even though they know they’re supposed to be supervised.

Therefore IMO the parents do not believe the children thought they were supposed to go to school.
JMO
 
But then wouldn't abduction be a possibility?

RCMP seemed confident right out the gate that there was no evidence of abduction.

I think if they'd be standing waiting by the road someone would have seen them.

Moo
And why wouldn't the parents call 911 on Wednesday? I'm missing something here.
 
Can cable and satellite television providers tell what programs were being watched which day at any given household?

ETA: Generally, when kids aren't much supervised, the television is used to occupy them. Were ANY children's programs watched on Wednesday? Thursday? Friday morning?
 
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I have a question for anyone who wants to answer.

Do you have any questions you would love to have answered that haven't come up in discussion here?

(Apart from, say, where are the children?)

Here are the two I keep thinking about:
  • Are there any vehicles registered to or known to be used by the people who live at this address that are currently unaccounted for?
  • Have the police requested internet records from their ISP? (This is the only way to get incognito/private searches and history unless the user employs a VPN.)
* How is the cell service there? Intermittent? Do they have a landline?
* Is anyone in the house on any prescription meds?
* Has the ground completely thawed? The Farmer's Almanac says last frost is May 26 (I linked it a while back), but when is the ground soft enough for digging (not planting a garden)?
* Does the sliding door have a lock?
* What is the acreage of the property? How much of the property is wooded?
* Would someone driving down the road get a clear view of the front yard of the house?
* Would the school bus driver drive down that road as part of his normal route if the kids were out sick and didn't need to be picked up there?
* How many vehicles are registered to the address?
* What is the last day DM was verified to be at work (punch card etc.)?
* Are there motion sensor lights at the sawmill?
 
correct me if I am wrong but I believe they are “across the road” . I think he mentioned them in the context of saying the kids don’t go across the road and then followed up by saying there was some cabins they had built and that’s where, usually, as far as we take them - or something like that.
He said that, but never doesn’t mean ever. However, the dog/s did not track past the top of the drive-way, where the kids would have got on the bus in the morning. Assuming they walked. I’m beginning to think like you. Either they are secreted in a confined space on the property (my aunt orders water in for the well in the height of summer, gruesome thought). Or, they were carried out, (unconscious?) why no boot prints per se and why no backpack - maybe their boots were packed into Lilly’s backpack. If Lilly and Jack were not conscious, there would be no need to put their boots on, so packing them out with them means a concocted planned. JMO/MOO
 
Wonder who this stuff belonged to if its so rural and not suitable for recreation?

The children's stepfather, Daniel Martell, said Mounties showed him shirts, a blanket and a water bottle found during the search near Gairloch Road, but he said none of the items belongs to either child.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...en-pictou-county-lily-jack-sullivan-1.7527613


all imo
Clothes flying out the back of pick ups or thrown out the window of vehicles. You find lots of weird stuff in the culverts in rural areas. Who remembers trash clean up day? I certainly do.
 
The way in which they both said how noiseless the slider was...almost practised. MO
This is what sticks out so much to me! Both MBM and DM have different interviews yet they both talk about how silent the sliding doors are. I’ve been mulling it around in my mind, why would both of them say that? To me personally, I don’t think how quiet or noisy a door was, would even come to mind if my kids were missing. Perhaps if only one of them mentioned this, I wouldn’t really think about it. What are the odds of them both saying it? Makes it seem like all this was rehearsed!
MOO IMO
 
There is little we know, but I am with those who think the narrative told by the two adults in the home seems contrived and full of contradictions. I really wonder what the truth is about WHEN the children disappeared and HOW LONG it took the adults to do something about it.
Lilly and Jack traveled about 18 kilometers to Salt Springs Elementary School by bus
 
He said that, but never doesn’t mean ever. However, the dog/s did not track past the top of the drive-way, where the kids would have got on the bus in the morning. Assuming they walked. I’m beginning to think like you. Either they are secreted in a confined space on the property (my aunt orders water in for the well in the height of summer, gruesome thought). Or, they were carried out, (unconscious?) why no boot prints per se and why no backpack - maybe their boots were packed into Lilly’s backpack. If Lilly and Jack were not conscious, there would be no need to put their boots on, so packing them out with them means a concocted planned. JMO/MOO
I also don’t know if we heard from RCMP that the dogs had a track to the road or if it was just from Martell.

I wouldn’t put too much credit in even calling it a track for that short of distance. Tough for a handler to determine if the dogs had something or not
 
Daniel Robert Martell, the children's stepfather, told the National Post of the morning they went missing: "She had a pink shirt on. We could hear Jackie in the kitchen. A few minutes later we didn't hear them, so I went out to check. The sliding door was closed. Their boots were gone


That is so bizarre to me to point out the sliding door was closed. If so, how can they be sure that's how they got out. There's more than one door, windows too.

Moo
 
There is little we know, but I am with those who think the narrative told by the two adults in the home seems contrived and full of contradictions. I really wonder what the truth is about WHEN the children disappeared and HOW LONG it took the adults to do something about it.
Getting caught up. I have a theory about this. In N.S., pre-primary is voluntary. There are a whole host of good reasons why you would want to put your child in jr. kindergarten. I’m thinking MBM chose to put both her kids in the programs because it was easier on her since the baby’s arrival, it didn’t cost anything, and if delayed as they said, they were getting some early development skills and an opportunity to develop social skills they wouldn’t otherwise have gotten if at home. Simply put, I’m wondering since she was not used to being “on" 100% of the time, she might have lost it with one or both of them. *Both* were booked off on Thursday. I believe if all was “right” in that household, she would have had them at their stop, on time, simply for the break. JMO/MOO
 
Searches are ongoing in targeted locations based on forensic and tip-based data.
From this article:

"Both children are still missing," RCMP Public Information Officer Corporal Carlie McCann told Newsweek. "We ask that people spread the word through social media respectfully, about this investigation and all ongoing missing person searches."
 
I also don’t know if we heard from RCMP that the dogs had a track to the road or if it was just from Martell.

I wouldn’t put too much credit in even calling it a track for that short of distance. Tough for a handler to determine if the dogs had something or not
I thought if that was the case, the point of walking them out the least path of resistance would be to ascertain whether or not they crossed the road (do they search y/n), or, if they did decide to walk to school (shoulder) and/or, in which direction they headed out, if on foot. JMO/MOO
 
If something happened that they were trying to coverup it would take some time
I didn't really quote the right context for my question, me being kinda lazy. Lemme clarify.

Part 1:
If school was out Wednesday for an in-service day (or whatever they call that in Nova Scotia when teachers/staff are there, but students are not), might Lilly and Jack have waited for the bus that day and possibly been standing there at the road for quite awhile (since the bus wasn't scheduled to come but they may not have known it)?
Which was replied to with:
But then wouldn't abduction be a possibility?

RCMP seemed confident right out the gate that there was no evidence of abduction.

I think if they'd be standing waiting by the road someone would have seen them.

Moo
And so my question was about why the parents wouldn't call in had the kids gone missing on Wednesday, because the context was, the kids went to catch the bus but didn't, went missing, and the parents were not involved.
And why wouldn't the parents call 911 on Wednesday? I'm missing something here.
 

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