CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[SluethinAway]

This is what sticks out so much to me! Both MBM and DM have different interviews yet they both talk about how silent the sliding doors are. I’ve been mulling it around in my mind, why would both of them say that? To me personally, I don’t think how quiet or noisy a door was, would even come to mind if my kids were missing. Perhaps if only one of them mentioned this, I wouldn’t really think about it. What are the odds of them both saying it? Makes it seem like all this was rehearsed!
MOO IMO

agree

 

[TLobo]

This is what sticks out so much to me! Both MBM and DM have different interviews yet they both talk about how silent the sliding doors are. I’ve been mulling it around in my mind, why would both of them say that? To me personally, I don’t think how quiet or noisy a door was, would even come to mind if my kids were missing. Perhaps if only one of them mentioned this, I wouldn’t really think about it. What are the odds of them both saying it? Makes it seem like all this was rehearsed!
MOO IMO

I wonder if they had both been asked about the sound the sliding door makes when they had spoken with LE/search organizers/whomever talked to them about it before. I can see where, if you are telling someone your account of what had happened and they ask clarifying questions that make you realize that some details (e.g., the sliding door is quiet and that's why they were unable to hear it open or close) are relevant to your story, then you make sure to include those details in your subsequent retellings of the story either for the purpose of making sure your story is clear for the listener, or you think it adds more credibility to your story. Whether the story is true or not, and whether you were initially interviewed together or separately...like, if [that person] was wondering about [that detail], I should make sure [these people] are aware of [that detail] as well, so they don't have to ask about it.

I hope that makes a bit of sense to anyone, it was hard to type out what I was thinking.

 

[tlcya]

I wonder if they had both been asked about the sound the sliding door makes when they had spoken with LE/search organizers/whomever talked to them about it before. I can see where, if you are telling someone your account of what had happened and they ask clarifying questions that make you realize that some details (e.g., the sliding door is quiet and that's why they were unable to hear it open or close) are relevant to your story, then you make sure to include those details in your subsequent retellings of the story either for the purpose of making sure your story is clear for the listener, or you think it adds more credibility to your story. Whether the story is true or not, and whether you were initially interviewed together or separately...like, if [that person] was wondering about [that detail], I should make sure [these people] are aware of [that detail] as well, so they don't have to ask about it.

I hope that makes a bit of sense to anyone, it was hard to type out what I was thinking.

Along those same lines, in a lot of the interviews there is no way to know if the clips we've seen have been edited or whether specific questions from reporters prompted some of the statements made. The questions asked might shed light on the responses we all saw and why those responses were the ones made if that makes sense.

 

[iamafiusny]

I wonder if they had both been asked about the sound the sliding door makes when they had spoken with LE/search organizers/whomever talked to them about it before. I can see where, if you are telling someone your account of what had happened and they ask clarifying questions that make you realize that some details (e.g., the sliding door is quiet and that's why they were unable to hear it open or close) are relevant to your story, then you make sure to include those details in your subsequent retellings of the story either for the purpose of making sure your story is clear for the listener, or you think it adds more credibility to your story. Whether the story is true or not, and whether you were initially interviewed together or separately...like, if [that person] was wondering about [that detail], I should make sure [these people] are aware of [that detail] as well, so they don't have to ask about it.

I hope that makes a bit of sense to anyone, it was hard to type out what I was thinking.

I wonder why they said that door though if it was closed.

You can make assumptions they used that door because it's by the boots, or maybe that's what they normally use, but you can't know for certain which exit they used or if someone came in and took them.

Then she says they were playing outside, why did she think this?

They explain they must have gone out the sliding door because it's silent, but not why they must have been playing in the yard.

Moo

 

[TLobo]

I wonder why they said that door though if it was closed.

You can make assumptions they used that door because it's by the boots, or maybe that's what they normally use, but you can't know for certain which exit they used or if someone came in and took them.

Then she says they were playing outside, why did she think this?

They explain they must have gone out the sliding door because it's silent, but not why they must have been playing in the yard.

Moo

I could imagine a lock or sliding deadbolt lock on the primary door, maybe that the kids weren't able to reach. Or they lock that door every night, but not the slider - so if that door is still locked, the kids clearly did not leave through it.

 

[Andromeda]

* How is the cell service there? Intermittent? Do they have a landline?
* Is anyone in the house on any prescription meds?
* Has the ground completely thawed? The Farmer's Almanac says last frost is May 26 (I linked it a while back), but when is the ground soft enough for digging (not planting a garden)?
* Does the sliding door have a lock?
* What is the acreage of the property? How much of the property is wooded?
* Would someone driving down the road get a clear view of the front yard of the house?
* Would the school bus driver drive down that road as part of his normal route if the kids were out sick and didn't need to be picked up there?
* How many vehicles are registered to the address?
* What is the last day DM was verified to be at work (punch card etc.)?
* Are there motion sensor lights at the sawmill?

What I understand:
- Listening to one earlier news report, cell service was a problem for searchers, etc. (dead zone)
- DM said in one of his interviews that LE requested phone, banking, google maps (?) etc., and access to router and he complied. Also offered to provide drug testing and take polygraph
- I would say ground is thawed. N.S. doesn’t get a lot of snow, anymore, and when they do, it doesn’t last long. Cool nights, warm days. Everyone in Canada knows not to plant anything before May long weekend because of chance of frost. But it’s not constant, now. Apparently their black fly season has started.
- house is visible from the road
- “maybe” the school bus driver would wait at the top of the drive-way for the kids if he was running early. (My experience when my kids were young.) But he should keep driving if there is no one at the stop.
- one vehicle does not have a plate per the news report photos. So at least one out of an unknown number is not registered.
- DM’s hours were cut because work is slow. No reports whether he was working any day that week. No doubt police have requested his hours from employer.

jmo/moo

 

[Tricia]

FINAL WARNING.
You can't post random facts without a link. You can't post random facts with a link if they are not directly related to the approved discussion topic

 

[Andromeda]

I wonder if that local driving by who saw all those cars, so many even one was parked on the street, was able to describe even a few of them to LE.

I believe this is why police wanted access to their router (per DM in a video about giving LE everything they asked for and itemized what they wanted). Per update reports, one of the challenges listed as poor to no cell service (dead zone). So if anyone was on the property, they would be wanting the wifi password to be able to access and use their devices. Their digital address would be on the router as having signed in. I’m thinking this is why LE’s list of individuals to be formally interviewed is so long. JMO/MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

And why wouldn't the parents call 911 on Wednesday? I'm missing something here.

I agree, they didn’t hesitate to call 911 on May 2nd so I can’t think of any reason why they wouldn’t call 911 had the children had gone missing at any earlier time, assuming it was at no fault of either of the parents.

Plus a point to mention, what LE initially said in regards to an abduction was there was ‘no evidence’ as the mom wanted an Amber Alert. For an Amber Alert to take place in Canada LE require infirmation pertaining to the abductor, which obviously is an issue since the children weren’t observed being taken away by anyone. The RCMP have since said they are investigating all possible avenues, means to me that nothing is ruled out.

“The RCMP had previously said the siblings were believed to have “wandered away.” They noted that there was no evidence of abduction, so it didn’t qualify for an Amber Alert.”

Case of 2 missing N.S. children enters 10th day as police remain tight lipped | Globalnews.ca

Police in Nova Scotia have said nothing publicly since they announced a "scaled back" search for two missing children which entered its 10th day.

globalnews.ca

 

[AIGT]

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I agree, they didn’t hesitate to call 911 on May 2nd so I can think of no reason why they wouldn’t have called 911 had the children had gone missing at an earlier time at no fault of the parents.

We really have no idea if they hesitated or not. Even based on their statements and RCMP’s statements there’s discrepancies of up to 2 hours. And that’s if they’re telling the truth.

 

[Andromeda]

And so my question was about why the parents wouldn't call in had the kids gone missing on Wednesday, because the context was, the kids went to catch the bus but didn't, went missing, and the parents were not involved.

Communication between school and parents about PD days, breaks, etc., is very good. Reminders can be either via classroom discussion (so reminder via student when they get home), via their Agenda (communication medium between parent/teacher) and also the FB page. My kids' school would send out robocalls as a reminder.

 

[thispersonj]

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We really have no idea if they hesitated or not. Even based on their statements and RCMP’s statements there’s discrepancies of up to 2 hours. And that’s if they’re telling the truth.

I think there are two versions of answers to almost every parent-related question being posed: Assuming they're innocent, and assuming they're guilty/involved. It's tough to differentiate sometimes.

 

[MistyWaters]

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We really have no idea if they hesitated or not. Even based on their statements and RCMP’s statements there’s discrepancies of up to 2 hours. And that’s if they’re telling the truth.

Yet they still called as opposed to the type of people who are adamantly opposed to involving police with regard to anything.

 

[Andromeda]

I wonder why they said that door though if it was closed.

You can make assumptions they used that door because it's by the boots, or maybe that's what they normally use, but you can't know for certain which exit they used or if someone came in and took them.

Then she says they were playing outside, why did she think this?

They explain they must have gone out the sliding door because it's silent, but not why they must have been playing in the yard.

Moo

I’m thinking the sliding door is important for optic reasons. Going out the sliding door lead to a (nearly completed) fenced yard. So “safe”. The front door exits to what would be classified as not safe because of its proximity to the road. I believe appearing to be conscientious about her kids’ safety is paramount. i.e., It’s not her fault. She did everything right. JMO/MOO

 

[justice2962]

I wonder if they had both been asked about the sound the sliding door makes when they had spoken with LE/search organizers/whomever talked to them about it before. I can see where, if you are telling someone your account of what had happened and they ask clarifying questions that make you realize that some details (e.g., the sliding door is quiet and that's why they were unable to hear it open or close) are relevant to your story, then you make sure to include those details in your subsequent retellings of the story either for the purpose of making sure your story is clear for the listener, or you think it adds more credibility to your story. Whether the story is true or not, and whether you were initially interviewed together or separately...like, if [that person] was wondering about [that detail], I should make sure [these people] are aware of [that detail] as well, so they don't have to ask about it.

I hope that makes a bit of sense to anyone, it was hard to type out what I was thinking.

I understand the point you’re making and I suppose it could be possible, but is that a question LE would even ask? Seems odd to me but I have no clue

 

[thispersonj]

Yet they still called as opposed to the type of people who are adamantly opposed to involving police with regard to anything.

This is an interesting thought. Further, it's possible some clean up of the property/home might have taken place. I don't say this judgmentally but, you know, sometimes you don't want a 911 call to result in a call to CPS or add'l drug charges. Even in life-threatening emergencies, I can see this being a priority for some people.

 

[Sarahlou]

Yet they still called as opposed to the type of people who are adamantly opposed to involving police with regard to anything.

Well they had to call at some point, that would look incredibly suspicious, to put it mildly, if their two kids disappeared and they didn't report it.

 

[iamafiusny]

I understand the point you’re making and I suppose it could be possible, but is that a question LE would even ask? Seems odd to me but I have no clue

Maybe they'd ask if they heard a door close, but I think they'd definitely ask about hearing the kids because mom says something really weird about hearing the kids playing out back, but they didn't know it yet.

Huh?

Moo

 

[TLobo]

I understand the point you’re making and I suppose it could be possible, but is that a question LE would even ask? Seems odd to me but I have no clue

Seems plausible as clarification, e.g., and paraphrasing:

Parents: "We were in the bedroom and the kids must have gone outside through the sliding door and we didn't know until later..."

LE: "Did you hear the sliding door open?"

Parents: "no"

LE: "Are you usually able to hear the sliding door open from your bedroom?"

Parents: "no, it's quiet when it slides open."

ETA: both parental figures file away in their brains that it's important to note that they wouldn't be able to hear the sliding door open under normal circumstances

MOO.

 

[thispersonj]

Seems plausible as clarification, e.g., and paraphrasing:

Parents: "We were in the bedroom and the kids must have gone outside through the sliding door and we didn't know until later..."

LE: "Did you hear the sliding door open?"

Parents: "no"

LE: "Are you usually able to hear the sliding door open from your bedroom?"

Parents: "no, it's quiet when it slides open."

MOO.

LE: So why do you say you didn't know until later?

Key question, but I know I've mentioned this a few times.