CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4

[Megnut]

IMO if Mom believed they wandered away, she'd never leave that location.

IMO Mom was given information from LE that destroys 'walked away' and she responded swiftly and definitively. MOO.

Living nightmare.

JMO

 

[Beekarina]

I had a thought this morning going out to the bus stop with my 8 year old. Lily grabbing her backpack did made me wonder if she thought they were going to school that day. Not sure if either of them can tell time or knows what time the bus comes?… but it crossed my mind, did the parents usually walk them out to the bus stop and wait with them, I wonder? Or did the two children walk out by themselves when it was time for the bus? If the latter, I could see abduction totally being possible Friday morning. If the children thought they should get out there and go to school like usual and were just standing by the side of the road waiting around a while…

Yeah, and sometimes children, especially if you're in the "big sister" mode might do something like that, even playing. I remember playing school with my closest in age sister as a young child. It was another way to boss her around a bit lol. Seriously though, I could see it happening as you described, and also as play: "Jack! We're going to miss the bus! We're big kids now, Shhh don't wake the baby, let's get ourselves ready." that kind of thing.

Even though it is rural, again you would still probably have people out doing things that time of day. On the way to some kind of work, out shop somewhere, anything that has them passing by. Maybe someone was coming to see the adults about something unrelated, and found the kids alone instead?

 

[RandyMcDonald]

It should be kept in mind that we have no reasons to think this might be a tragic case of two young children going out on what they thought would be an adventure only to find themselves tragically out it their depth. Children, especially young children, can both be capable of more than their parents might believe and less capable than they think. The gap leads to tragedy.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

IMO if Mom believed they wandered away, she'd never leave that location.

IMO Mom was given information from LE that destroys 'walked away' and she responded swiftly and definitively. MOO.

Living nightmare.

JMO

Eh. I am skeptical of arguments that are based on assuming people must respond in a single way to a specific trauma, when we know that there can be a whole range of responses.

For all we know, the mother might have left because she was never happy living that far out in the countryside with her partner's family, afraid that her children might get lost in the woods.

 

[aafromaa]

I am puzzled by the RCMP FB post… If they are confident enough in the info they have to say they have confirmed that the children were in public with family on May 1st, why does the same post still request video from noon on 4/28 to noon on 5/2?

If it is to try to see suspicious vehicles in the area why limit it start on 4/28? Why not for the week prior to see if there is a pattern for vehicles on certain days of the week?

If they are confident in the info they say verifies they were seen on 5/1 then why not just ask for video from 5/1 & 5/2?

Is it possible they are not confident in their own verification? Is it possible that something was observed about the children’s appearance or behavior on 5/1 that still left questions about their well being from 4/28 on instead of 5/1 on?

As many have said, I’d like to know what that verification was…eye witness? Video? Who provided it? Were they also family members? And were the family members they were seen with on 5/1 the parents? Other family members?

Or is RCMP just so busy that they just copied that portion of the post from elsewhere before the 5/1 sighting was verified and didn’t update it saying they no longer need video from 4/28 & 29 & 30?

Inquiring minds want to know….

 

[Jasmina]

There are three Sackville areas, upper, middle, and lower. The news I read from Waterfront Media didn't mention a school, just a playground. I live kind of nearby, and that area goes from a busy Lower Sackville to a more rural area.

 

[tlcya]

I am puzzled by the RCMP FB post… If they are confident enough in the info they have to say they have confirmed that the children were in public with family on May 1st, why does the same post still request video from noon on 4/28 to noon on 5/2?

If it is to try to see suspicious vehicles in the area why limit it start on 4/28? Why not for the week prior to see if there is a pattern for vehicles on certain days of the week?

If they are confident in the info they say verifies they were seen on 5/1 then why not just ask for video from 5/1 & 5/2?

Is it possible they are not confident in their own verification? Is it possible that something was observed about the children’s appearance or behavior on 5/1 that still left questions about their well being from 4/28 on instead of 5/1 on?

As many have said, I’d like to know what that verification was…eye witness? Video? Who provided it? Were they also family members? And were the family members they were seen with on 5/1 the parents? Other family members?

Or is RCMP just so busy that they just copied that portion of the post from elsewhere before the 5/1 sighting was verified and didn’t update it saying they no longer need video from 4/28 & 29 & 30?

Inquiring minds want to know….

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[Firstsnow4]

I am puzzled by the RCMP FB post… If they are confident enough in the info they have to say they have confirmed that the children were in public with family on May 1st, why does the same post still request video from noon on 4/28 to noon on 5/2?

If it is to try to see suspicious vehicles in the area why limit it start on 4/28? Why not for the week prior to see if there is a pattern for vehicles on certain days of the week?

If they are confident in the info they say verifies they were seen on 5/1 then why not just ask for video from 5/1 & 5/2?

Is it possible they are not confident in their own verification? Is it possible that something was observed about the children’s appearance or behavior on 5/1 that still left questions about their well being from 4/28 on instead of 5/1 on?

As many have said, I’d like to know what that verification was…eye witness? Video? Who provided it? Were they also family members? And were the family members they were seen with on 5/1 the parents? Other family members?

Or is RCMP just so busy that they just copied that portion of the post from elsewhere before the 5/1 sighting was verified and didn’t update it saying they no longer need video from 4/28 & 29 & 30?

Inquiring minds want to know….

I queried the same in an earlier post. I don’t understand the need for earlier footage unless it’s to rule out abduction (by checking if cars were lurking in the area earlier in the week). Or is it on false pretences in order to provide a false sense of security to the suspect(s)? In reality they may be only interested in 1-2nd May. JMO.

 

[MistyWaters]

Eh. I am skeptical of arguments that are based on assuming people must respond in a single way to a specific trauma, when we know that there can be a whole range of responses.

For all we know, the mother might have left because she was never happy living that far out in the countryside with her partner's family, afraid that her children might get lost in the woods.

Good point. Or officials had told her if/when the children were found, one night in the wilderness and all, they would most definitely require a medical checkup/observation in a hospital possibly for a few days - if found they wouldn’t just be dropped off at their home.

And we don’t know how strong an influence MBMs mother had over her. Maybe she despised the relationship from day one and adamantly insisted her daughter leave with her.

Without knowing anything of the dynamics of the people or circumstances involved, I don’t think we can reliably predict expected behaviour.
JMO

 

[AddyFinch]

My thoughts: let's say.... 1). attendees invited to house, see's irresponsible drug use (isn't it all irresponsible??) and see's children in the house. Attendee could be friend or family, and they suddenly have a huge bout of guilt and they say "Lilly go get your back pack and bring a few things for you and Jack, and we'll take a holiday for a few days". That person leaves with kids, unknown to intoxicated attendees..........One would think that person would have the decency to notify the police that they have kids and they are safe, but not if they are wanted etc... maybe they think they have nothing to lose personally if they grab the poor kids out of that mess. The baby was probably in bed or at Granny's. The parents may be very reluctant to tell anything to police for fear of legal reprisals or loss of Meadow.
Other thought... 2).is definitely, children accidentally overdosed, parents panicked, disposed of bodies. Maybe still intoxicated and can't remember where? Once again, fearful of telling LE anything for legal issues or even "snitches get stitches" behaviour.
I still maintain those kids left that property with a family member or friend.
The house across the street from me had a violet home invasion... since that day I am always asking "why that house". Honestly there was absolutely no reason for it, that any of the neighbours can figure out..... but there is a reason, we just don't know it yet..... so why those kids?? out of all the kids in Nova Scotia... why those two?? Such a mystery I guess we could say about all the abducted kids, but it makes you scratch your head.... why did some grab those kids and thousands we left alone that day???????
To the RCMP.... get those surveillance cars out there.... start watching everyone. Call in the troops from out of province, set up the wire taps!!!

 

[Scrutineer]

Apparently they were spotted in public the day before the disappearance, so I do think that they are unfortunately somewhere in the wilderness near their home, with an outside possibility they've been abducted. Honestly, though, it is just so easy to get thoroughly lost in terrain like that, and you could have searchers literally stepping over someone without ever realizing unless they happened to be looking in the right direction.

 

[Chimera]

Eh. I am skeptical of arguments that are based on assuming people must respond in a single way to a specific trauma, when we know that there can be a whole range of responses.

For all we know, the mother might have left because she was never happy living that far out in the countryside with her partner's family, afraid that her children might get lost in the woods.

Except.... one would think that she would :
A) Be looking for them still, even now !
B) Stay there at the house in case they returned ?

Problematic as well is that they (MBM & DM) may have slept in or 'drifted in and out of sleep', until nearly 10 am -- which to most parents is very rare indeed.
We also have the RCMP not treating this as an abduction, no Amber Alert.
Omo.

 

[FansBlowing]

I think the phone call to the police was at 10:00 am. They said they looked for the kids everywhere they could think of before they called.

 

[Scrutineer]

Eh. I am skeptical of arguments that are based on assuming people must respond in a single way to a specific trauma, when we know that there can be a whole range of responses.

For all we know, the mother might have left because she was never happy living that far out in the countryside with her partner's family, afraid that her children might get lost in the woods.

I agree with this. People respond to trauma in all kinds of ways. I don't think it helps to place stigma on those who respond in ways that are atypical or that don't live up to some standard of normality.

 

[Chimera]

IMO if Mom believed they wandered away, she'd never leave that location.

IMO Mom was given information from LE that destroys 'walked away' and she responded swiftly and definitively. MOO.

Living nightmare.

JMO

Trying to recall other cases where the parent(s) left whilst the kids were still missing.
None of them turned out well.

Afaik DM did go out on his atv and searched through waist-high water.
I don't know if MBM looked for them or not.

Most parents would search those woods until they dropped, as well as making pleas visa press conferences and speaking directly to the kids in case someone is holding them (doubtful, as that's not what LE seems to be treating this as, an abduction.).

Too many unanswered questions.
Imo.

 

[tlcya]

IMO if Mom believed they wandered away, she'd never leave that location.

IMO Mom was given information from LE that destroys 'walked away' and she responded swiftly and definitively. MOO.

Living nightmare.

JMO

that's kind of where I am at with all this. Because I just cannot fathom leaving the area, the county even, per some reports.

 

[ttjo]

At 4 and 6, they're also really young. My opinion only, but as a parent I made that sort of call in the past, especially when kids were younger. Could they have gone to school and made it through the day? Were they technically "recovered enough"? Probably. Would they have been more comfortable with a lowkey day, more rest, not having to sit at a desk, extra fluids, bathroom without asking, etc? Absolutely.

and since covid, if you have a cough, schools can be a little freaked out still. Maybe she just didnt want her around other kids, It may even be the school's preference

 

[Chimera]

I agree with this. People respond to trauma in all kinds of ways. I don't think it helps to place stigma on those who respond in ways that are atypical or that don't live up to some standard of normality.

Emphasis mine.

Agreed regarding the bolded.

As far as I can see, questioning wonky timelines/morning events , actions or lack thereof aren't placing a stigma on anyone, though.
Everyone wants these kids located safe and soon, but as this is a sleuthing site people are going to ask questions.
'Normal' varies in many families and situations, but the mother leaving was going to raise eyebrows.
What if the kids came back, even now ?
Or what if a misguided person took them (I doubt it) and decided to return them at that house ?
I assume DM is there, so it's not like no one would be home.

There are questions I have about DM's mother and his brother, if they heard anything at all unusual, or if they were home the day of the 911 call ?
In my opinion.

 

[teeby]

I hate to even say this but does anyone remember Maddie Soto? Do we know the children were alive in the sighting on May 1? If they were captured on CCTV but clearly deceased, that would explain why the RCMP still want video from the days before.

 

[ttjo]

I queried the same in an earlier post. I don’t understand the need for earlier footage unless it’s to rule out abduction (by checking if cars were lurking in the area earlier in the week). Or is it on false pretences in order to provide a false sense of security to the suspect(s)? In reality they may be only interested in 1-2nd May. JMO.

They said Family member(s) maybe there was another family member ( that doesnt live there) with them, and they're looking for footage to confirm when they arrived ? or who would have brought them there?
What would they be looking for otherwise?
What would have evidentiary value?