CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4

[Snoop Sister]

Still crazy to me people are letting this slide for so long.

All this talk from Martell about how he didn’t do “it” and it’s crazy talk to think he did and talking about how much searching he has done and how the police should believe him about an abduction blah blah blah…

And yet not once have I heard “I wish I had just gotten out of bed right away” “I feel responsible for leaving them in the kitchen” or anything even close to that.

I think there’s reasons Martell shows no remorse for what he did that morning. It’s because 1 - it never happened that way and 2 - He doesn’t realize he looks bad in his version of the story because the real story is much worse.

MO

DM certainly has a variety of stories, which none seemed to be verified by the RCMP.

 

[ttjo]

DM certainly has a variety of stories, which none seemed to be verified by the RCMP.

and how do you verify if they were sleeping? They can't even verify when they went missing.
How can anyone know what time they disappeared besides taking the mom and D.M's word for it.

 

[Snoop Sister]

and how do you verify if they were sleeping? They can't even verify when they went missing.
How can anyone know what time they disappeared besides taking the mom and D.M's word for it.

I was referring more to abduction, lie detector, footprints, silent sliding door and so forth.

 

[AddyFinch]

If the father C S called and said “Daddy is going to pick you up be ready and wait outside for me”, they would have got their bag and boots, gone out door and waited. He arrived, they go down driveway, jump in car. No one the wiser. Parents get up, father is called, argument ensues, he keeps kids. Maybe he threatens her with child services etc, so she is scared to tell police, or even DM etc. Very important relationship status is established. Does father have shared custody?Could this be ex partner domestic issues? Which doesn’t always end with children being alive. Would he have committed an offence other than impeding an investigation? Or could mother have staged this to break away from her situation? Bottom line, if someone has them, they are probably alive and there is still hope, Missing in woods or homicide the only hope is conviction.

 

[ttjo]

I was referring more to abduction, lie detector, footprints and so forth.

and I agree with you 100% just saying his stories are things you cant even verify. They got out of the yard, (well look at that fence) or they were in bed sleeping ( prove that to be false) or even we need the baby to sleep as much as possible. ( B.S) does she have sleep issues? when babies are tired they fall asleep or you put them in the car and drive around ( kidding, kind of)

 

[justice2962]

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[justice2962]

Second search ends in Pictou County, N.S., with Lilly and Jack Sullivan still missing

Search and rescue teams renewed their efforts to find six-year-old Lilly and four-year-old Jack Sullivan on Saturday and Sunday, covering more ground and focusing on Gairloch Road, near their house.

www.ctvnews.ca

Martell says he wants police to exhaust all resources.

“Bring cadaver dogs, they search for anything they can find, I want as much as they can do,” he said.

Snipped by me, BBM

 

[MistyWaters]

My opinion only: I remember that LE ruled out the possibility that the biological parent we don't know much about could be involved in the children's disappearance very early on in their investigation, but given how little we know about that side of the family (I believe the sources Web Sleuths allows have said nothing at all), I'm having a hard time shaking the thought that someone on that side of the family (or even a friend of someone on that side of the family) could somehow be involved. It seems odd to me, as a layperson, that a noncustodial parent was so quickly ruled out, although I get that Canada keeps information like that more private than LE in the US generally would.

I'm not trying to convince anyone else that this is true; it's just the thought that I keep coming back to. I do realize this is unlikely compared to the possibility that the adults who lived in the home were involved. I guess I just hate to think that the people who saw these children every day and were responsible for their care could have harmed them. No matter what, it's awful, and I'm really hoping for a miracle.

This is the last string of hope for me too, a miracle and they will be found alive with people who love and care for them.

Maybe three kids under six, the two eldest with autism were just too much for MBM especially if she intended on leaving DM so she arranged for others to ease her burden. I started following this case when optimism was high the children would be found in the wilderness. It’s impossible for me to imagine much less anticipate that either parent could be capable of harming their sweet, trusting children.
JMO

 

[Bigditch]

In addition to looking for the kids' bodies, the searchers are probably looking for disturbed earth where they might have been buried. Or where their bodies might have been burned/cremated. A shrine of some sort would be interesting too. I would think they would try to have the parents' phones tapped. Maybe the grandparents and siblings

dbm

 

[Bigditch]

Starting to think the kids are not in the woods proper.

 

[Sarahlou]

My opinion only: I remember that LE ruled out the possibility that the biological parent we don't know much about could be involved in the children's disappearance very early on in their investigation, but given how little we know about that side of the family (I believe the sources Web Sleuths allows have said nothing at all), I'm having a hard time shaking the thought that someone on that side of the family (or even a friend of someone on that side of the family) could somehow be involved. It seems odd to me, as a layperson, that a noncustodial parent was so quickly ruled out, although I get that Canada keeps information like that more private than LE in the US generally would.

I'm not trying to convince anyone else that this is true; it's just the thought that I keep coming back to. I do realize this is unlikely compared to the possibility that the adults who lived in the home were involved. I guess I just hate to think that the people who saw these children every day and were responsible for their care could have harmed them. No matter what, it's awful, and I'm really hoping for a miracle.

There's two things I can think of that would rule him out straight away from having taken them himself - If they knew he wasn't in the country at the time or was in prison.

 

[wvmoonangel]

The stepfather since day one has repeated the abduction theory.

I’m beginning to wonder if this is him sewing the seeds as he knows that if they are found they’ll be found quite far away from the current search area.

I hate seeing him being interviewed now as I am of the opinion that he knows exactly where those children are.

I agree 100% Honestly his story and interviews puts me in the mind of Susan Smith,he doesn't act like a worried parent.

 

[seasideForest]

I can see bodies being hidden if something happened through gross neglect or criminal activity,but not through a genuine accident.

What about accident happening through some neglect? If similar happened, I could see some parents/caregivers panicking, hiding bodies and evidence and then it becomes a runaway train...

In fact I know of a case from about 1987, which might be retrievable from the archives of The Edmonton Journal, where a baby's body was buried due to the young father panicking when the baby died of natural causes (SIDS i think). So, the father panicked, buried the baby's body and came up with some kidnapping story which was seen through very quickly. Fortunately, the parents of the young father got the truth out of him and he showed police where he'd buried his baby and he wasn't charged with very much. But what if this young father hadn't had a family to talk him reasonably out of all this and show him support so he'd give up his bogus story? The search would undoubtedly have gone on longer, the young father sunk deeper into lies, and who knows what all else in desperation. Fortunately, somebody he trusted puts the brakes on his runaway train. But what if there's nobody to do that? I'm not saying he acted sensibly but the less life experience you have in dealing with crises including your own mess-ups, the more you may be likely to tangle yourself in more and more lies. I also have no idea whether the mother or step-father are involved in the disappearance of J and L, just giving this old incident from Edmonton as an example of something that could give rise to somebody disappearing their child/children in a way that is not as reprehensible as most of us are worried about. MOO

I do know that the combined reading and sleuthing experience on this forum makes it seem likely that there's something pretty hinky in the disappearance of J and L. I also don't know by the time it gets to this point in threads if most people following and posting are more interested in the 'sport' of wondering and sleuthing or more interested in keeping the case alive, checking to see if J and L have been found and letting RCMP etc do their job? I'm definitely in the second group.

MOO

P.S. for those needing proof - I can't give a link for this case from Edmonton. Even when I google approx dates and the name of the young man, I don't come up with any newspaper articles. But I do know it was reported in The Edmonton Journal at the time. I'm not in a position to look into archives now.

 

[TMich6811]

What about accident happening through some neglect? If similar happened, I could see some parents/caregivers panicking, hiding bodies and evidence and then it becomes a runaway train...

In fact I know of a case from about 1987, which might be retrievable from the archives of The Edmonton Journal, where a baby's body was buried due to the young father panicking when the baby died of natural causes (SIDS i think). So, the father panicked, buried the baby's body and came up with some kidnapping story which was seen through very quickly. Fortunately, the parents of the young father got the truth out of him and he showed police where he'd buried his baby and he wasn't charged with very much. But what if this young father hadn't had a family to talk him reasonably out of all this and show him support so he'd give up his bogus story? The search would undoubtedly have gone on longer, the young father sunk deeper into lies, and who knows what all else in desperation. Fortunately, somebody he trusted puts the brakes on his runaway train. But what if there's nobody to do that? I'm not saying he acted sensibly but the less life experience you have in dealing with crises including your own mess-ups, the more you may be likely to tangle yourself in more and more lies. I also have no idea whether the mother or step-father are involved in the disappearance of J and L, just giving this old incident from Edmonton as an example of something that could give rise to somebody disappearing their child/children in a way that is not as reprehensible as most of us are worried about. MOO

I do know that the combined reading and sleuthing experience on this forum makes it seem likely that there's something pretty hinky in the disappearance of J and L. I also don't know by the time it gets to this point in threads if most people following and posting are more interested in the 'sport' of wondering and sleuthing or more interested in keeping the case alive, checking to see if J and L have been found and letting RCMP etc do their job? I'm definitely in the second group.

MOO

P.S. for those needing proof - I can't give a link for this case from Edmonton. Even when I google approx dates and the name of the young man, I don't come up with any newspaper articles. But I do know it was reported in The Edmonton Journal at the time. I'm not in a position to look into archives now.

IMO I think it’s possible something happened to one and the other witnessed.

I also think something happened and no one remembers clearly (or wants to) and then create a story

It seems unlikely (but not totally out of the realm of possibility) that there was intent to harm both.

 

[doublestop]

4. And they just happened to be passing by at the exact time the kids who should have been at school decided to sneak out of the house and play in the yard?

What if you look at it as more a crime of opportunity--like, someone with an inappropriate interest in children happens to drive by the two of them as they are near the road and decided to take them?

 

[dotr]

Non-family Abductions & Attempts

A nonfamily abduction occurs when a child is taken by someone known, but not related, to the child, such as a neighbor or an online acquaintance, or by someone unknown to the child. Nonfamily abductions are the rarest type of case and make up only 1% of the missing children cases reported to NCMEC.

www.missingkids.org

''Attempted abductions occur more often when a child is going to or from school or school-related activities

• School-age children are at greatest risk on school days before and after school (7-9 a.m. and 3-4 p.m.) and after dinner time (6-7 p.m.)
• Attempted abductions most often occur on the street while children are playing, walking, or riding bikes
• Younger children are more likely to be playing or walking with a parent or an adult whereas school-age children are more likely to be walking alone or with peers.
• Attempted abductions of older children are more likely to involve a sexual component.''

 

[appleatcha]

There's two things I can think of that would rule him out straight away from having taken them himself - If they knew he wasn't in the country at the time or was in prison.

Agreed. Treading lightly here... Even if he was in jail far away from where the children live (which is not a known fact, to my knowledge), I would still be curious about whether the people in his circle (family members, romantic partners, close friends, etc.) have been interviewed. I wonder if anyone on his side of the family is included in the dozens of people being interviewed. Of course, I don't expect LE to give any answers to those questions.

All of this is just my opinion.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

What if you look at it as more a crime of opportunity--like, someone with an inappropriate interest in children happens to drive by the two of them as they are near the road and decided to take them?

I believe that our comments express that ttjo and I were both saying how unlikely it is that this was a crime of opportunity.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Non-family Abductions & Attempts

A nonfamily abduction occurs when a child is taken by someone known, but not related, to the child, such as a neighbor or an online acquaintance, or by someone unknown to the child. Nonfamily abductions are the rarest type of case and make up only 1% of the missing children cases reported to NCMEC.

www.missingkids.org

''Attempted abductions occur more often when a child is going to or from school or school-related activities

• School-age children are at greatest risk on school days before and after school (7-9 a.m. and 3-4 p.m.) and after dinner time (6-7 p.m.)
• Attempted abductions most often occur on the street while children are playing, walking, or riding bikes
• Younger children are more likely to be playing or walking with a parent or an adult whereas school-age children are more likely to be walking alone or with peers.
• Attempted abductions of older children are more likely to involve a sexual component.''

What's different in this case:

There are no streets where Lilly and Jack played, walked, or rode bikes on.
They weren't playing or walking anywhere with a parent.

 

[She-Ra]

I completely understand why authorities have said there is zero evidence they children were abducted.

1. they live in a remote area, how many people with intent to kidnap child(ren) would choose such remote location to do so?
2. they should have been at school, who would know there would be handy children to abduct at home off "ill" from school?
3. there was no evidence found to indicate any other person or vehicle present that morning during the period when according to parents the children went missing.

so if wandered off doesn't track for me, nor does abduction, that tells you where I have pretty much landed. While I am glad to stop straddling the fence, I wish I hadn't landed where I did.

Yes, sadly I agree