CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[RandyMcDonald]

RSBM

That sounds quite possible. I'd have to wonder though, why?
If only one child were missing the motive would almost certainly be perverted in nature as it often is when an adult disappears a child.
But for an adult, known to the parents, to take both children? It seems like the circle of suspects would be pretty small & whoever that is would have already been questioned in depth.

One grim possibility is that they only wanted one and did something with the unwanted one.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

If and its a big if ,the children were removed from the area into the care of the band for whatever reason . It has nothing to do with certain moral standards the Mi'kmaq people attain to live by . Just like within majority communities, there is family loyalties and no amount of society's moral standards will break those .

The Mi'kmaq already have institutions charged with protected by children.

Mi'kmaw Family & Children's Services

Our programs are developed to integrate our Mi’kmaw culture into the healing approach, bringing families together, keeping children in the care of their families and community, and strengthening familial ties.

mfcs.ca

If Jack and Lily were removed from their home into their custody, this would be known. There would be no reason to remain silent, especially if they were being actively looked for.

Most people would commit a crime if it was needed to help or protect their family . Most people if at risk of their family starving would steal a loaf of bread , don't matter that the law and our moral compass says we shouldn't.

So hypothetically if one of Maleyha's family members took the children with her knowledge it is out of loyalty to her ,not a moral duty to other band members imo

You would have to come up with a reason for someone to do this and to continue to do this, despite it having blown up into an international news event, and despite the likely legal and social consequences for doing this.

If the problem was with the mother's partner, why couldn't she just leave him and he with her family, taking the children with her?

 

[AddyFinch]

To clear muddy waters???
- abducted- who would - a stranger or nefarious person, a do gooder friend, by consent of parent, or family member.
-why- psychiatric gratification, to give kids better life, to protect child, an axe to grind.
-where in this case- from home, from location between store and home, from roadway, from bush, taken to location by parent
- time- May 1 afternoon to May 2 1000 hrs.
-possible evidence- tire tracks, video, digital phone markers, witnesses, shoe prints, clothing, computer searches, texts, emails, reported previous threats, citizen calls to LE re suspicious persons, scent, ransom note, historical relationship issues, stolen cars in area, comments at school or journaling in school book, concerns expressed by family or friends, visits to doctors, change in parents behaviour

Anyone have another ideas??

 

[su5ie]

The Mi'kmaq already have institutions charged with protected by children.

Mi'kmaw Family & Children's Services

Our programs are developed to integrate our Mi’kmaw culture into the healing approach, bringing families together, keeping children in the care of their families and community, and strengthening familial ties.

mfcs.ca

If Jack and Lily were removed from their home into their custody, this would be known. There would be no reason to remain silent, especially if they were being actively looked for.


You would have to come up with a reason for someone to do this and to continue to do this, despite it having blown up into an international news event, and despite the likely legal and social consequences for doing this.

If the problem was with the mother's partner, why couldn't she just leave him and he with her family, taking the children with her?

Many many women and men are scared to just leave . If it were that simple there would not be continued DV in their lives .

You are correct there would have to be a extremely valid and necessary reason for someone known to the kids and Maleyha to remove them and keep it hidden . I was hypothetically responding to another poster whom was questioning whether good morals within the Mi'kmaq community would allow for this kind of scenario to go unreported and I was stating it has nothing to do with morals and if this scenario did exist it would be down to family loyalties and not Band rules

 

[AddyFinch]

The Mi'kmaq already have institutions charged with protected by children.

Mi'kmaw Family & Children's Services

Our programs are developed to integrate our Mi’kmaw culture into the healing approach, bringing families together, keeping children in the care of their families and community, and strengthening familial ties.

mfcs.ca

If Jack and Lily were removed from their home into their custody, this would be known. There would be no reason to remain silent, especially if they were being actively looked for.


You would have to come up with a reason for someone to do this and to continue to do this, despite it having blown up into an international news event, and despite the likely legal and social consequences for doing this.

If the problem was with the mother's partner, why couldn't she just leave him and he with her family, taking the children with her?

If a child is given to the Band to raise, there is no duty to report this, but if there has been abuse or suspected abuse, it must be reported to CPS and LE.

In this case, MBM reported the child missing, searches done, case investigation.... I can assure you LE would be laying charges after all this. Even if it's obstruct justice or simple mischief.

If Band member removed child to the Band's care, then abduction charges would be issued against persons who took the children. That is abduction (without parental consent, meaning the person who has legal custody of children. In this case, we don't know who that is? MBM or CS.)

If the legal custody parent asked someone to remove the children to the Band's protection, then it would still be abduction unless they were incarcerated and unable to commit act, and that person was acting on his legal behalf, such as a lawyer.
I could be wrong about this.

 

[su5ie]

I just got banned from the discussion group on Facebook. Good riddance honestly all of the posts in there are very speculative and harmful and just so out of pocket. Someone made a post wondering if the RCMP changed malaya's Facebook status to single to try to get a response from the stepdad and I got banned because I commented saying the post was delusional. The admins were in the comments on the post were telling people to be nice or they would be banned lol.

Stay away from thr FB huns , it's a minefield of made up stuff

 

[su5ie]

RSBM

That sounds quite possible. I'd have to wonder though, why?
If only one child were missing the motive would almost certainly be perverted in nature as it often is when an adult disappears a child.
But for an adult, known to the parents, to take both children? It seems like the circle of suspects would be pretty small & whoever that is would have already been questioned in depth.

What if whoever took them only wanted one child for nefarious reasons but knew the other child could identify who they were ?

 

[Ontario Mom]

One grim possibility is that they only wanted one and did something with the unwanted one.

Sadly there's precedent for that. As soon as I posted I remembered little Shasta & Dylan Groene. I'm hoping against all odds Jack and Lilly are still found alive.

 

[MistyWaters]

They do not want to believe two young children are dead. Without a body or proof of death, why would you concede that? People have remained in denial of the likely fates of their loved ones in much more unlikely circumstances.

I can’t blame DM for being optimistic. By reading the latest Press Release from the RCMP, although it references such things as investigating video and applying for SWs, I’m amazed at how softly worded it is. If I didn’t know six weeks had already passed it would appear not all hope has been exhausted in finding the children alive. In Canada it’s not necessary to recover bodies prior to homicide or manslaughter charges being laid. JMO


BBM

Nova Scotia RCMP’s intensive approach to missing persons investigation continues | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

"The investigation is being led by a tenacious, committed group of investigators who are gathering and assessing information daily to learn more about the circumstances of Lilly and Jack's disappearance so we can find them,"…….

….We're committed to doing what is necessary to locate Lilly and Jack and advance the investigation, which may take longer than we all hoped."

 

[su5ie]

To clear muddy waters???
- abducted- who would - a stranger or nefarious person, a do gooder friend, by consent of parent, or family member.
-why- psychiatric gratification, to give kids better life, to protect child, an axe to grind.
-where in this case- from home, from location between store and home, from roadway, from bush, taken to location by parent
- time- May 1 afternoon to May 2 1000 hrs.
-possible evidence- tire tracks, video, digital phone markers, witnesses, shoe prints, clothing, computer searches, texts, emails, reported previous threats, citizen calls to LE re suspicious persons, scent, ransom note, historical relationship issues, stolen cars in area, comments at school or journaling in school book, concerns expressed by family or friends, visits to doctors, change in parents behaviour

Anyone have another ideas??

Thank you for doing up this post , I feel a lot of stuff has gotten muddied .lol

One being meadow in cps care , do we have an independent source for this other than Daniel, I know it's been reported but is it only as " Daniel said " or have RCMP stated it as fact . I can't recall off hand .

Another poster ,could have been yourself suggested that the cps supervised visitation Daniel states is upcoming could be to keep him and Maleyha separated on her wish3s as she doesn't want to give him the opportunity to nag or manipulate her into coming back . IF and I state if Meadow is being breastfed I would imagine she is with her mother I don't think cps would take custody from mum

 

[FansBlowing]

Malehya could have an Emergency Protective Order against Daniel. This would be 30 days, I believe, and that's why she did not attend that vigil for the children.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Malehya could have an Emergency Protective Order against Daniel. This would be 30 days, I believe, and that's why she did not attend that vigil for the children.

Or she might be having trouble dealing with the fact that her children are missing. Not everyone can be out in the limelight when something so devastating has happened, no matter what the reason. IMO, it would be nice if society could let the woman mourn her situation as she is able instead of thinking she "should" do this or that. I have many friends who would be out pounding the pavement every day, and many others that would curl up into a ball in this situation.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

The Globe & Mail article mentioning the mother marking the kids absent on that Friday is no longer behind a paywall, as it's been deleted from their site. Just FYI.

Still no evidence that missing Nova Scotia children were kidnapped, RCMP say

Mounties investigation continues after Lilly, Jack Sullivan disappeared from Lansdowne nearly six weeks ago

www.theglobeandmail.com

This is the current link that works for me. Maybe they updated it and changed the other link that we’ve posted?

 

[AddyFinch]

Is 1407 Gairloch Rd (address of home) on indigenous land? It has been stated DM mother owns land, is she indigenous, or has purchased from Band or was DM father indigenous? Could this put a whole new spin on the investigation?

 

[iveyguy]

That sounds quite possible. I'd have to wonder though, why?
If only one child were missing the motive would almost certainly be perverted in nature as it often is when an adult disappears a child.
But for an adult, known to the parents, to take both children? It seems like the circle of suspects would be pretty small & whoever that is would have already been questioned in depth.

The cruelest motive that I can think of is a jealous family member who wanted or felt entitled to live in the trailer, instead of Lilly & Jack. But that's so extreme that I don't consider it much of a possibility. More realistically, maybe only one child was the target, but the other was taken too, because they were together.

The circle of suspects should be very small, but there are two dwellings on the property. We know absolutely nothing about who might be coming & going to the RV; the RV that was not even mentioned by DM or MBM in their initial search descriptions! We don't know how cooperative anyone in this circle has been with LE. Most people in this circle aren't related to the children at all, and it's possible that some may not be fully invested in helping. Maybe that's why things are taking so long.... I'm hopeful that the digital evidence (cell phone tracking, etc.) will soon lead to a breakthrough.

 

[MistyWaters]

Is 1407 Gairloch Rd (address of home) on indigenous land? It has been stated DM mother owns land, is she indigenous, or has purchased from Band or was DM father indigenous? Could this put a whole new spin on the investigation?

Is there a source for your questions? It doesn’t appear Lansdowne Station is anywhere near reserve land and even if it were, bands are not allowed to sell it off. IIRC reading the land with the mobile home was the family home at one time owned by DM’s father. Then after he passed it went to DMs mother.

 

[AddyFinch]

Is there a source for your questions? It doesn’t appear Lansdowne Station is anywhere near reserve land and even if it were, bands are not allowed to sell it off. IIRC reading the land with the mobile home was the family home at one time owned by DM’s father. Then after he passed it went to DMs mother.

No source just an inquisitive mind.

 

[Ontario Mom]

The cruelest motive that I can think of is a jealous family member who wanted or felt entitled to live in the trailer, instead of Lilly & Jack. But that's so extreme that I don't consider it much of a possibility. More realistically, maybe only one child was the target, but the other was taken too, because they were together.

The circle of suspects should be very small, but there are two dwellings on the property. We know absolutely nothing about who might be coming & going to the RV; the RV that was not even mentioned by DM or MBM in their initial search descriptions! We don't know how cooperative anyone in this circle has been with LE. Most people in this circle aren't related to the children at all, and it's possible that some may not be fully invested in helping. Maybe that's why things are taking so long.... I'm hopeful that the digital evidence (cell phone tracking, etc.) will soon lead to a breakthrough.

Re: the RV: I think it's really important to point out that we literally have no idea what was or was not mentioned by DM or MBM. We know what the media reported on, but we don't know if that's all either of them said to any reporters. I've had the misfortune to speak with reporters and I can tell you first hand, they do not report everything you say, and they don't always report everything you say in the way you said it or even in the order you said it. They edit their articles (and videos) to convey the message they want them to convey.

Re: the circle of suspects: technically, there aren't any named suspects at all at this time, and also, how do you know that most of these are people aren't related to the kids?

 

[MistyWaters]

Re: the RV: I think it's really important to point out that we literally have no idea what was or was not mentioned by DM or MBM. We know what the media reported on, but we don't know if that's all either of them said to any reporters. I've had the misfortune to speak with reporters and I can tell you first hand, they do not report everything you say, and they don't always report everything you say in the way you said it or even in the order you said it. They edit their articles (and videos) to convey the message they want them to convey.

Re: the circle of suspects: technically, there aren't any named suspects at all at this time, and also, how do you know that most of these are people aren't related to the kids?

I agree with you 100% - this is also why what we read and what the RCMP have gleaned from their interviews with the parties could be as different as night and day. The media is unlikely to publish 2nd hand information without ever interviewing that party to protect themselves. And nobody is forced to talk to the media if they don’t want to.

 

[wvmoonangel]

Both of them know something. Jmo.

I agree someone on that property knows exactly what happened and how it happened.