CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[tlcya]

on an OT note, those following the Claire Bell missing toddler from Montreal case, she has just been found, alive!

 

[Ursa Major]

I don’t blame him at all for wanting to profess his innocence, assuming he is. If he wasn’t I don’t think he’d be so talkative. It’s a total waste of time and energy for the public to be obsessing over him as a fall guy, rather than seeking the truth.
JMO

This is just an observation. Not blaming anyone.
That almost entire interview's time is being used to self-talk, instead of asking for any help with finding the kids. I wouldn't have any problem with him being so talkative expressing a slightest concern about Jack and Lilly's wellbeing. God, it almost feels the next thing he says on camera is how his sleep routine changed or what he ate for dinner. JMO.

 

[Aurora90]

This interview was very telling. I found the most interesting part of the interview was her shock at the state of the house and the conditions that the children were living in. How unkempt and unclean things were.

As someone who has struggled with mental health issues I feel this is a much more telling sign than people realize. My living space always reflected the state of my mental health.

Many things could have changed since she or the paternal father had last seen the kids. Drugs, depression, hard financial times, stress, etc. a lot of things could have factored into this.

“ She was always clean. Clean about herself, clean about her kids, clean about her house. This looked more like a camp.”

She thought the kids were living in very different conditions.

She says she now believes the kids came to harm at the hands of someone. I have to be honest, I have that same belief. I hope I’m wrong.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Would Meadow even be sleeping in the parents' bedroom at that age? Seems like she would be sharing a room with Lily.

Nowadays a lot of parents and children sleep in the same bedroom for an extended period of time. Our son's bed was in our room until he was 3.

Now hearing from the grandmother that the biological father gave up custody at her request, I wonder if this could be the start of a pattern

My impression from that article was that their biological father chose to walk away from his children. He didn't want to deal with their mother, so the kids were dispensible to him. His mother said so in that article. That's 100% on him.
But it helps explain why M pursued full custody. IMO.

Radio Chatter: Family has uh brought us to a location there uh not far away that uh there’s a par, piece of blanket

What a coincidence that was.

It is not only unsafe, it is utterly depressing.
One can be poor and also provide a clean and safe environment for their children so my statement is in no way judging them for their financial situation.
Jmo.

I don't think most people with 3 very young children have a clean house and yard at all times. That is why house cleaners are in demand and provide "deep cleans." And most of us sometimes have household projects that aren't complete or junk that's waiting to go to the dump, or a garage/basement/attic with things stored inside. They don't have those, so things will be in the yard.

What does what we see in the photos of the property tell us that's important about this case?

 

[Ursa Major]

It’s a total waste of time and energy for the public to be obsessing over him as a fall guy, rather than seeking the truth.
JMO

Btw no one knows if this is a waste of time until the truth is revealed.

 

[MistyWaters]

Btw no one knows if this is a waste of time until the truth is revealed.

True, but the problem is we only know what’s been released in a few media reports, some of them confusing and contradictory. Wouldn’t it be interesting to know that was disclosed during the interrogations by the RCMP?

If DM is a prime double homicide suspect I think he would’ve been arrested by now.
JMO

 

[tlcya]

I don’t blame him at all for wanting to profess his innocence, assuming he is. If he wasn’t I don’t think he’d be so talkative. It’s a total waste of time and energy for the public to be obsessing over him as a fall guy, rather than seeking the truth.
JMO

until we know what happened we have no clue if he is a fall guy or our obsessing over his every word is a waste of time. JMO when he is the only one talking his are the only words to be sifted and parsed.

 

[justice2962]

Exactly and why would only a piece of lillys blanket be found . To me that suggests it was tugged very hard by someone or a dog bit into it and broke a piece off trying to pull the blanket from lilly

When I heard about the blanket, to me it seemed set up (planted) because a family member led them there right near a boot print. This is OMO
I know it hasn’t been verified by LE but nevertheless something seems fishy to me JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

until we know what happened we have no clue if he is a fall guy or our obsessing over his every word is a waste of time. JMO when he is the only one talking his are the only words to be sifted and parsed.

I think the reason we don’t know what happened is because it wasn’t reported in the media and information is being withheld by not only MBM.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-grandmother-missing-children-1.7563400?cmp=rss

“In a statement, the Mounties said anyone can decide to speak with media and share information as they wish, but investigators advised loved ones and people who were interviewed to be mindful of the information they share publicly.”

 

[tlorik]

Both together actually makes a lot of sense to me. My D was older than her brother (about the same age range as Lily and Jack) and they went everywhere together under the age of 8. (He would have followed her to the moon and she would done everything to have made sure he arrived safely-just how they were). Off on an adventure. Maybe Lily feeling old enough to go by herself and Jack following along. If her brother had fallen into something, my D would have tried to save him and likely gotten herself into trouble. So that actually seems normal in a household where the kids might have gotten out without supervision. (The adult supervision is what kept my kids from doing things that would not have been very smart).

My only suspicion so far is that the amount of time that the parents were sleeping or asleep might not be accurate (I lose hours sometimes), or that they were in a deeper sleep than they thought. The difference between 20 minutes and an hour is a lot in kid travel time.

I've thought the same thing about the time mom and dad were asleep - they may have thought they only dozed off for a few minutes and woke up an hour later and went into panic mode when they realized. Littles can travel alot farther than people give them credit for and if they had that much of a headstart, they would not have heard anyone yelling for them, maybe? Or if they fell into a hole, creek, old mineshaft, bog, whatever - they could have succumbed before anyone came looking. Also, they are small - so they views we have of houses, barns, hidey holes as adults is quite different from the eye level of a 4-6 yr old. I don't buy into the abduction idea as much, but I really thought the search dogs would have found some trace.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I've thought the same thing about the time mom and dad were asleep - they may have thought they only dozed off for a few minutes and woke up an hour later and went into panic mode when they realized. Littles can travel alot farther than people give them credit for and if they had that much of a headstart, they would not have heard anyone yelling for them, maybe? Or if they fell into a hole, creek, old mineshaft, bog, whatever - they could have succumbed before anyone came looking. Also, they are small - so they views we have of houses, barns, hidey holes as adults is quite different from the eye level of a 4-6 yr old. I don't buy into the abduction idea as much, but I really thought the search dogs would have found some trace.

Agreed with all of this. I'm sure there are several reasons why, but sometimes scent dogs just miss the scent. I'm always glad when they're brought in to assist but they're not 100% reliable at all. Especially if the kids traveled much further than the searchers focused on.

 

[tlorik]

Agreed with all of this. I'm sure there are several reasons why, but sometimes scent dogs just miss the scent. I'm always glad when they're brought in to assist but they're not 100% reliable at all. Especially if the kids traveled much further than the searchers focused on.

So true - I watched a thing on Missing 411 and a little one was following his bigger brothers and sisters. They weren't paying attention and he got left behind. When the adults started searching for him, they only went so far because they didn't think he could have possibly gone any farther than that. He was found alive and well but nearly a mile outside of the search area.

 

[MistyWaters]

Nobody has accused DM of anything. However, there is a reason why LE request that family not be part of searches for missing relatives. Because them traipsing around can actually make it harder for trained personnel to spot and recognize important clues.

If he was out there on that pipeline trial prior to LE then yes, his presence could absolutely have contaminated the scene. I don't think anyone is suggesting he purposefully did so but the fact remains that possibility exists. JMO

I don’t recall DM stating he had searched the pipeline trial. Do you have a source? However he did mention noticing a bootprints in the yard but that was a different location to what the searchers referred to as previously discovered at the pipeline trial. Maybe that’s a cause for confusion? This was discussed on these threads earlier. A bootprint found near the house wouldn’t seem unusual in the slightest.

DM has not been publicly criticized for contaminating the scene, purposeful or accidentally. No doubt he knows the woods near his home better than anyone so I’d bet that would be considered helpful.
JMO

Stepfather of two children missing in rural N.S. worries they may have been abducted

LANSDOWNE STATION — As a search continued for a fourth day for two young children believed to have wandered from their rural home in northeastern Nova Scotia, the children's stepfather said Monday he is worried they may have been abducted.

ca.news.yahoo.com

"We only found two boot tracks outside of the house … about 10 feet away from the backyard."

AND

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/with-few-leads-search-for-missing-n-s-kids-focuses-on-area-where-boot-print-found-1.7549142

“Searchers looking for two missing kids in Pictou County on Saturday scoured the area where a boot print was found in a previous search.

But searchers concede they have little to go on and have no way of knowing if the boot print is even related to Lilly Sullivan, 6, and Jack Sullivan, 4. They were reported missing May 2.”

 

[su5ie]

on an OT note, those following the Claire Bell missing toddler from Montreal case, she has just been found, alive!

Just read the thread on this and brought the this post here , interesting

The missing girl was found by police in eastern Ontario, about 150 kilometres from her home in Montreal, on Wednesday afternoon. She was found in the St-Albert region after a strange and shifting investigation and large, intensive ground and air search.

As the news broke, some signs pointed to a parental dispute, perhaps designed to coincide with Father’s Day or perhaps fuelled by other concerns and desperation.
Missing Quebec girl, 3, found safe after bizarre disappearance that led to charge against mother

any word on the time of the presser? Hoping I get to catch it.

 

[seasideForest]

I liked her yard a lot.

Yes, and what we see of it looks in a much safer and better condition than where Jack and Lilly lived and played. Altho who knows what's around the corner out of sight of the camera? you could say.

 

[tlcya]

I don’t recall DM stating he had searched the pipeline trial. Do you have a source? However he did mention noticing a bootprints in the yard but that was a different location to what the searchers referred to as previously discovered at the pipeline trial. Maybe that’s a cause for confusion? This was discussed on these threads earlier. A bootprint near the house wouldn’t seen unusual at all.

DM has not been publicly criticized for contaminating the scene, purposeful or accidentally. No doubt he knows the woods near his home better than anyone so I’d bet that would be considered helpful.
JMO

Stepfather of two children missing in rural N.S. worries they may have been abducted

LANSDOWNE STATION — As a search continued for a fourth day for two young children believed to have wandered from their rural home in northeastern Nova Scotia, the children's stepfather said Monday he is worried they may have been abducted.

ca.news.yahoo.com

"We only found two boot tracks outside of the house … about 10 feet away from the backyard."

AND

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/with-few-leads-search-for-missing-n-s-kids-focuses-on-area-where-boot-print-found-1.7549142

“Searchers looking for two missing kids in Pictou County on Saturday scoured the area where a boot print was found in a previous search.

But searchers concede they have little to go on and have no way of knowing if the boot print is even related to Lilly Sullivan, 6, and Jack Sullivan, 4. They were reported missing May 2.”

my source is this::

Missing Quebec girl, 3, found safe after bizarre disappearance that led to charge against mother

Please watch the video and see for yourself. Please pay special note to the 3:00 mark where it discussed the boot print that caused them to search again in an area long after they had scaled back searching (not the boot prints described as being near the trailer pointing to the road).

Immediately following that mention of boot print in the video is the radio chatter about a family member bringing searchers to a piece of what they claim is a blanket. LE won't say anything about a blanket, but Martell says it is a piece of Lilly's blanket and it was found "near" the boot print.

and this:

Searchers looking for two missing kids in Pictou County on Saturday scoured the area where a boot print was found in a previous search.
[snip]
Hansen said there has been no new evidence since the search was suspended two weeks ago on May 17, but crews have returned this weekend to cover particular areas of interest.
[snip]
She said the search is focused on Lansdowne Lake and a nearby pipeline trail, where the boot print was located.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...uses-on-area-where-boot-print-found-1.7549142

Possible boot print prompted search of pipeline trail two weeks after search was scaled back. An alleged scrap of blanket was brought to the attention of searchers by a unnamed family member. That scrap is alleged by DM to have been near the boot print in question and to be a piece of Lily's blanket.

My point is IF DM was that family member then he was clearly on the pipeline trail. Because that is where the possible boot print I am referring to was located.

 

[seasideForest]

Then she's asked by the reporter: Do you think those kids are in the woods?
She replies: from everything I've seen, yes.
Reporter: why can't you find them?
Amy Hanson: they're small, they'd be hiding, they would have crawled underneath something probably when they got tired, they could have gone further than what we've searched, there's all kinds of scenarios, unfortunately.

It's striking to me that a SAR with 20+ years on the job believes those kids are still in the woods.

I agree. I believe her too. I don't think she's just saying that. Because it happens again and again a) that small children go far further than anybody thinks possible and b) SAR misses bodies despite the most thorough of searches. I imagine that SAR also knows and acknowledges to themselves that they sometimes find remains years later in a space they've already searched with a fine-tooth comb.

It could of course be that she's wrong, she doesn't say "Oh, 100%, yes!"

MOO

 

[su5ie]

I think the reason we don’t know what happened is because it wasn’t reported in the media and information is being withheld by not only MBM.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-grandmother-missing-children-1.7563400?cmp=rss

“In a statement, the Mounties said anyone can decide to speak with media and share information as they wish, but investigators advised loved ones and people who were interviewed to be mindful of the information they share publicly.”

Exactly ,key word being mindful

I do think mom is probably riddled with guilt and full of regrets for falling back asleep . Maybe that's why she can't face the public . But why can't a family member of hers shoulder this .

What if someone had the kids . Would it not be better to prehaps appeal to them rather than give the impression you have accepted the kids fate and sure when the hits the fan we would all love to hide under the hypothetical duvet but sometimes you have to put on your big girl knickers and stop being a victim . No action from the mother speaks volumes .

 

[MistyWaters]

dbm

 

[Chimera]

True, but the problem is we only know what’s been released in a few media reports, some of them confusing and contradictory. Wouldn’t it be interesting to know that was disclosed during the interrogations by the RCMP?

If DM is a prime double homicide suspect I think he would’ve been arrested by now.
JMO

All emphasis mine.

Re. the red bolded : Yes, I agree. It certainly would be !

Re. the purple bolded : Without bodies or proof, LE/RCMP may be building what could amount to a difficult to prove case; so Imo, not necessarily.

Some cases take months or even years to have enough evidence.to go to trial.
Imo.