CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[MistyWaters]

All emphasis mine.

Re. the red bolded : Yes, I agree. It certainly would be !

Re. the purple bolded : Without bodies or proof, LE/RCMP may be building what could amount to a difficult to prove case; so Imo, not necessarily.

Some cases take months or even years to have enough evidence.to go to trial.
Imo.

If the parents (including step) are implicated I just don’t think either is sophisticated enough to leave no evidence or withstand intense LE grilling. It may take awhile to solve but I don’t think either is a mastermind.
JMO

 

[Chimera]

my source is this::

Missing Quebec girl, 3, found safe after bizarre disappearance that led to charge against mother

Please watch the video and see for yourself. Please pay special note to the 3:00 mark where it discussed the boot print that caused them to search again in an area long after they had scaled back searching (not the boot prints described as being near the trailer pointing to the road).

Immediately following that mention of boot print in the video is the radio chatter about a family member bringing searchers to a piece of what they claim is a blanket. LE won't say anything about a blanket, but Martell says it is a piece of Lilly's blanket and it was found "near" the boot print.

and this:

Searchers looking for two missing kids in Pictou County on Saturday scoured the area where a boot print was found in a previous search.
[snip]
Hansen said there has been no new evidence since the search was suspended two weeks ago on May 17, but crews have returned this weekend to cover particular areas of interest.
[snip]
She said the search is focused on Lansdowne Lake and a nearby pipeline trail, where the boot print was located.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...uses-on-area-where-boot-print-found-1.7549142

Possible boot print prompted search of pipeline trail two weeks after search was scaled back. An alleged scrap of blanket was brought to the attention of searchers by a unnamed family member. That scrap is alleged by DM to have been near the boot print in question and to be a piece of Lily's blanket.

My point is IF DM was that family member then he was clearly on the pipeline trail. Because that is where the possible boot print I am referring to was located.

Rbm.

So, is it a stretch to wonder if it was DM himself who brought the scrap of blanket to the attention of LE ?

Or if it was someone else (family member), did they bring the piece of blanket to where the boot print was found ?

My point is that it was not searchers who found the piece of blanket, but a family member.
If that seems sus. to yours truly, so be it.
Imo.

 

[seasideForest]

She spoke of how dense the woods are and how difficult it is to navigate, having to climb over and under trees. It would be very difficult for them to get very far in those conditions.

On the other hand smaller people (as young children are) can get thru tighter spots more easily - they are physically usually far more flexible than say their grandmother making it easier for them to climb or even crawl under trees and get through the densely set growing trees.

I grew up in this region and have younger kids of my own. I cannot possibly imagine my kids at that age venturing through a thick, dense, uninviting forest filled with sharp-pointy trees and branches while being completely underdressed for the cold temperature.

Certainly interesting to hear this from someone on the ground, in the area, with younger children. Despite what I wrote above in response to @derweezy about children being able to get thru a lot smaller spaces, scrambling and crawling under trees on cold and probably damp ground without waterproof mud pants doesn't sound very inviting to me. Tho as a child I did play out in uninviting weather e.g. on the beach in rain (probably in a waterproof jacket with a hood and certainly wellies but no waterproof long pants, didn't exist back then.) As an adult, I know I would stand there shivering and wanting to go inside somewhere ASAP despite child having a great time.

I don't have hard and fast opinions on this case, which is why my first para here leads to a different conclusion from the second.

JMO

 

[Freezeguy]

Is that a requirement for a vigil someone else decided was important? If they had arranged it, then I might wonder if none were there. If someone else did, then it would not be their obligation to attend if their pain is great enough that they would feel they were detrimental being there. IMO, of course. I don't find it my place to judge how others mourn their loss.

But it would show appreciation for those searching day and night. That's all.

 

[seasideForest]

But it would show appreciation for those searching day and night. That's all.

I don't think they owe us or SAR that. I bet SAR is fine with the parents or other family members not going to vigils.

MOO

 

[su5ie]

I think the kids are in the woods . I think what we are seeing play out from the parents is the result of a toxic relationship and I think Maleyha's family didn't think Daniel was good enough for their daughter and what he could provide for her .

I've seen the before and after pics of Maleyha and if a person's outward appearance is a judgement of what's going on for them inside well she is not taking care of herself like she was when she met him . I'm not judging her , I'm judging the relationship

And I should know I've expierenced this and my dad would have acted just like Maleyha's mum and told me to get the hell out of dodge , in actual fact he would have dragged me kicking and screaming again my will

It's the circumstances of their relationship imo that resulted in those poor children going missing.

But I am judging her family for not being a spokesperson for the children they are their kin not Daniels, why should he be the person whose word of the ins and outs of the investigation be put in print .

Maybe mum is behind the scenes and on site and is helping search and reporters have been told by her lawyer to respect her need for privacy but not one statement in 6 odd weeks . Very strange . Put yourself out there for your kids if by some miracle they are alive let them see that you did everything within your power to be their voice

 

[Ghostwheel]

But it would show appreciation for those searching day and night. That's all.

I 100% do not disagree with that. Story time. 46 years ago a friend of mine was murdered. Her mother pounded the pavement, giving out flyers, trying to find who had done it nearly every day for many years and I joined her for a lot of that. My friend's father was nowhere to be seen. He was incapable of handling it. If you were to gauge appreciation based on her father's actions, you would maybe think no one cared or he was not appreciative of what others did on his daughter's behalf. But to this day, he cannot deal with it. Won't talk about it. Having seen the dichotomy between the two, it's why I, personally, cannot judge.

When someone does something for another during times of great stress and sadness and anguish, whether a vigil or searching or putting out flyers or anything, those who give freely expect nothing in return because sometimes there just isn't anything to give in return and that includes the presence of one who is in the terrible situation. It's wonderful if a family member or friend can do that for them. It's just not always possible. JMO, of course.

 

[Ursa Major]

"My heart tells me these babies are gone," she said. "I just want them back.."

Not sure if this was posted before. Some interesting info from the bio dad's mom.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-grandmother-missing-children-1.7563400

 

[Chimera]

Rbm.

So, is it a stretch to wonder if it was DM himself who brought the scrap of blanket to the attention of LE ?

Or if it was someone else (family member), did they bring the piece of blanket to where the boot print was found ?

My point is that it was not searchers who found the piece of blanket, but a family member.
If that seems sus. to yours truly, so be it.
Imo.

Purple bolding mine.
I meant, 'yours truly' as in referring to myself.

Again if the blanket scrap was discovered or brought to the pipeline area -- it seems suspicious to me.
Anything the searchers find without any help from the family ... I'd like to hear about it from LE/RCMP themselves.
Imo.

 

[MistyWaters]

Rbm.

So, is it a stretch to wonder if it was DM himself who brought the scrap of blanket to the attention of LE ?

Or if it was someone else (family member), did they bring the piece of blanket to where the boot print was found ?

My point is that it was not searchers who found the piece of blanket, but a family member.
If that seems sus. to yours truly, so be it.
Imo.

Interesting because in some articles it’s written as if the searchers previously found the bootprint and a decision has been made to extend the search area further up. Anyway nothing else was found.

Renewed search for missing kids in Nova Scotia uncovers no new evidence | Globalnews.ca

The search for four-year-old Jack Sullivan and his six-year-old sister Lilly Sullivan, who were reported missing from their home in Lansdowne Station on May 2, resumed this weekend

globalnews.ca

“Amy Hansen, Colchester County ground search-and-rescue manager, said this weekend’s search is focused on the Gairloch Road area — near where the children lived — and along a nearby “pipeline trail,” where a small boot print was previously found.

“We’re continuing to search up that pipeline, we’re trying to cover more areas and hope that we find something,” she said in an interview Sunday.

Searchers hadn’t uncovered anything new by mid-afternoon, Hansen said. An RCMP spokesperson said in an email Sunday police will provide an update if there is any significant search finding.“

 

[AddyFinch]

I would like to think SAR people are taught when they find something, it is placed in an evidence bag without touching, clearly marking time,date location, environment, ground etc, or even guarding it until LE can do all of the above to ensure zero loss of chain of possession.

 

[AddyFinch]

Grandmother
Gray said she does feel the area has been extensively searched, describing the many orange and pink ribbons tied to trees to mark off areas that have been covered off.

"You could see places around where they played and you could see places around where you might want to explore as a kid," she said.
"But beyond those exploration points, there's no reason for any child to wander deep into the woods."

She stated there were areas in woods the kids played, and areas they might want to explore…….. so they did go into the woods to play regularly? Did they go unattended or maybe just on other side of backyard where path is? Did they take blankets or dolls, dress up, picnics? Where was piece of material found? My point is, that piece of material could have come from a few sources, even an animal could have carried it.
I’d love to know if story is true, did LE seize it as evidence? Wonder what it looks like under a scope or DNA.

 

[AddyFinch]

Grandmother
But contact between Gray and her grandchildren eventually dwindled and stopped completely after Brooks-Murray moved in with her new boyfriend, Daniel Martell, in Lansdowne Station.
The last time Gray saw Lilly and Jack was nearly two years ago.
Very sad, maybe she felt she didn’t want to interfere with MBM new life, asking her to bring kids for a visit, and didn’t want to impose with new boyfriends home?
So one question answered … MBM had full legal custody. but does that exclude biological father or his family from being a suspect in everything. LE told grandmother “they weren't looking his way anymore, that everything's fine."

 

[MistyWaters]

Grandmother
Gray said she does feel the area has been extensively searched, describing the many orange and pink ribbons tied to trees to mark off areas that have been covered off.

"You could see places around where they played and you could see places around where you might want to explore as a kid," she said.
"But beyond those exploration points, there's no reason for any child to wander deep into the woods."

She stated there were areas in woods the kids played, and areas they might want to explore…….. so they did go into the woods to play regularly? Did they go unattended or maybe just on other side of backyard where path is? Did they take blankets or dolls, dress up, picnics? Where was piece of material found? My point is, that piece of material could have come from a few sources, even an animal could have carried it.
I’d love to know if story is true, did LE seize it as evidence? Wonder what it looks like under a scope or DNA.

I agree, if the story is true evidence of what might it represent? Nobody has said Lilly carted around a blanket everywhere she went and she was a little old for that. Given the state of the yard, it might’ve been laying outside for years, blowing here and there.
JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

Exactly and why would only a piece of lillys blanket be found . To me that suggests it was tugged very hard by someone or a dog bit into it and broke a piece off trying to pull the blanket from lilly

Blankies can be fairly rotten by the time the kids are six years old. So a piece of blankie could tear off on a twig with little effort.

 

[Hexe]

I must say I am deeply surprised that DM gets so much suspicion in here, while MBM does not. They told basically the same story about being together in the same room the morning kids went missing. Either both of them tell the truth, or both lie. It is virtually impossible that one could be a liar, and the other a saint.

 

[Sarahlou]

I must say I am deeply surprised that DM gets so much suspicion in here, while MBM does not. They told basically the same story about being together in the same room the morning kids went missing. Either both of them tell the truth, or both lie. It is virtually impossible that one could be a liar, and the other a saint.

Yeah I agree. If just one of them did something to the kids then the other at least knows about it and is covering for whatever reason. JMO.

 

[su5ie]

I 100% do not disagree with that. Story time. 46 years ago a friend of mine was murdered. Her mother pounded the pavement, giving out flyers, trying to find who had done it nearly every day for many years and I joined her for a lot of that. My friend's father was nowhere to be seen. He was incapable of handling it. If you were to gauge appreciation based on her father's actions, you would maybe think no one cared or he was not appreciative of what others did on his daughter's behalf. But to this day, he cannot deal with it. Won't talk about it. Having seen the dichotomy between the two, it's why I, personally, cannot judge.

When someone does something for another during times of great stress and sadness and anguish, whether a vigil or searching or putting out flyers or anything, those who give freely expect nothing in return because sometimes there just isn't anything to give in return and that includes the presence of one who is in the terrible situation. It's wonderful if a family member or friend can do that for them. It's just not always possible. JMO, of course.

Sorry to hear that about your friend I know it was 46 years ago but deepest sympathies , that must have been a harrowing and extremely frightening experience for all involved.

Thank you very much for taking the time to give that perspective appreciate it

 

[su5ie]

I agree, if the story is true evidence of what might it represent? Nobody has said Lilly carted around a blanket everywhere she went and she was a little old for that. Given the state of the yard, it might’ve been laying outside for years, blowing here and there.
JMO

My sentiment exactly

 

[su5ie]

Grandmother
Gray said she does feel the area has been extensively searched, describing the many orange and pink ribbons tied to trees to mark off areas that have been covered off.

"You could see places around where they played and you could see places around where you might want to explore as a kid," she said.
"But beyond those exploration points, there's no reason for any child to wander deep into the woods."

That got me thinking too re you could see where they played and places they wanted to explore .

Is she talking from an observation point of view or from what someone told her when she visited the area .

I'm assuming here that as she hasn't seen the kids in almost 2 years that this was the first time she was at the property.

I wonder if evidence of areas they played are exclusively within the boundaries of the yard or are they beyond the fence at the edge of the woods .

Kids generally want to explore areas were a possible shelter has been made by branches etc or water runs for example . They may want to collect pebbles ,leaves or flowers . Sometimes it's a little nook they want to get bugs from

A previous poster up thread pointed to an area just at the edge of the perimeter just up from where its speculated Daniel repaired the fence . It appears like 2 trees were uprooted during a storm and the poster had pointed out that this was an area that the kids could possibly crawl into . I sincerely hope the likes of this area was cleared to check underneath .

I don't know much about wild life in this part of Canada but would there be venomous snakes and spiders as these are also spaces you would find possible nests / dens belonging to these creatures . And after getting bitten by one of these creatures would there be time to get help before the effects venom sets in for example if a snake spit the venom into the eyes . Just curious and not saying this happened . Just Googled and no venomous snakes or spiders in pictou only garter snakes and the likes .but what about wasps or a bees nest it would explain two kids crawling into a space and being overpowered and not able to get out

Statistics state that if a child wanders and gets lost they are generally within 1km radius of the place they were last seen. I genuinely believe the kids crawled in somewhere and could not get out .

Which leads me to my next question. When a medium sized or large tree uproots what type of hole is left is it just loosened soil or a crater type hole again just curious

I've Googled about the uprooted tree question and I will add the screenshot of the short synopsis as when I try click in I'm getting a 404 and reason apparently being a high volume of traffic to the site . So quite a large space