CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[CityKid]

Maybe it's just me, but my understanding was that the exterior of the house was a mess (something along the lines of it looked like camping). I didn't hear any allegations of abuse or neglect.

JMO

MOO they both looked clean and happy in every picture I've seen of them.

 

[ttjo]

He said that someone at the school reported them because of concerns about the children's development. The first part of that does give me pause, because I thought child welfare services weren't allowed to tell parents who it was who made the call?

They dont usually.

 

[iamshadow21]

MOO they both looked clean and happy in every picture I've seen of them.

If I had a dollar for every child I'd seen happy, smiling, clean pictures of who was actually living a nightmare, I'd be rich.

Photos aren't reality. Very few families take pictures for public eyes of the rough stuff.

Not saying this was the case for Jack and Lilly, but you can't rely on a picture to be the 'truth'.

MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

He said that someone at the school reported them because of concerns about the children's development. The first part of that does give me pause, because I thought child welfare services weren't allowed to tell parents who it was who made the call?

He didn’t say he knew the identity of the person who called. But if/when the Child welfare officer mentioned developmental challenges were causing the children to fall behind in classroom work, it wouldn’t be difficult to guess the call came from the school.

 

[su5ie]

I was just reading back over some of the articles in thread one , and I know the sliding door was discussed so much that it could have formed its own thread .

How did the parents know the kids didn't exit through the front door of the property especially since the sliding door was apparently silent or is there not a front facing one . I can't seem to find a pic that is taken from this angle .



Found one it's from the globe and the mail newspaper ... so how are they 100%certain the sliding door was the exit point especially since the kids never closed this exit after themselves is there also a door to the side of the property on the right or is that a window

 

[Dpdan]

Maybe the bus driver reported the screaming and throwing things to the school. He spoke with endearment but the behaviour is very dangerous, it would definitely merit someone having a word with family. It sounded like there is no chaperone and the bus driver is the only adult there.

 

[su5ie]

Maybe the bus driver reported the screaming and throwing things to the school. He spoke with endearment but the behaviour is very dangerous, it would definitely merit someone having a word with family. It sounded like there is no chaperone and the bus driver is the only adult there.

What screaming and throwing things

 

[ttjo]

Maybe the bus driver reported the screaming and throwing things to the school. He spoke with endearment but the behaviour is very dangerous, it would definitely merit someone having a word with family. It sounded like there is no chaperone and the bus driver is the only adult there.

Yes, and I don't think that's unusual, yellow buses around here that transport behavioural kids, have 6-8 kids and a lone driver. it can get pretty crazy ( kids can be hyper, or try to open the emergency exit, (pretending to anyway) Buses have had to resort to using harnesses for some kids because they have no support staff. Imagine that in a snowstorm in Alberta.

 

[ttjo]

What screaming and throwing things

referring to this article maybe ?

source :Disappearance of two children has rocked rural Nova Scotia community.

 

[AddyFinch]

Yes, and I don't think that's unusual, yellow buses around here that transport behavioural kids, have 6-8 kids and a lone driver. it can get pretty crazy ( kids trying to open the emergency exit, or pretending to anyway) Buses have had to resort to using harnesses for some kids because they have no support staff. Imagine that in a snowstorm in Alberta.

Exactly! Very distracting and dangerous for driver.

 

[ttjo]

Exactly! Very distracting and dangerous for driver.

I dont think it was that serious on their bus though, sounds kind of endearing actually the way the bus driver describes it.

 

[Jw192]

Just skimming through the past few pages so I'm likely not fully caught up and feel free to disagree with my musings -

This whole situation now is very bizarre. There are only a few plausible scenarios of what's happened imo...
• The kids have gone on a wander that morning, they've gone into the woods and the elements got them - Surely if this was the case there would have been some evidence found by now no? They can't have gotten far with their little legs and the search kicked up pretty quickly. There would have been something found by now.
• The kids have gone on a wander that morning and someone nabbed them - I mean not totally impossible but come on, what are the chances that a child predator would be out driving in the middle of absolute nowhere at the exact time two tots decide to unusually leave their huge property? I ain't buying that for a penny.
• Something terrible has happened to those babies, be it an accident or not and it's been very well concealed - <modsnip: Reference to party is considered rumor>. I dunno, it was my initial thought when the story broke and the weeks after as unfortunately we see it happen way too often, now after more and more odd developments, I'm not as sure this is the case.
• (This is where some might get their backs up, but you can't exclude it) The kids are alive and are somewhere known by IMO at least one member of either side of the family - There's so much weirdness. LE have put out a reward, which, correct me if I'm wrong is not usual practice this soon in a missing child case? That to me says that the coppers believe and for a good reason, that someone knows where these babies are and a financial motivation might convince. They haven't sent out cadaver dogs, that to me says that they don't believe the kids are dead (or maybe not in the area, but then wouldn't they expand?) The whole social services thing, we don't know to the extent how serious it was or was looking to be... <modsnip: Reference to party is considered rumor> What's to say a family member wasn't extremely scared for these kids and has simply taken them, either to protect them from whatever was causing child services to investigate, or from being taken BY child services, then it's all proper kicked off and gone worldwide and they're now terrified of facing legal consequences? Have any fundraising efforts (ETA I can't mention any fundraising platforms) been started? I say this as I'm English and we obviously had the Shannon Matthews case here which was insane. I'm not saying I believe that's the case here, I'm just going through plausible situations that could have lead to where it is now. The whole situation with the mama and step dad, it's hinky and both are adding layers to this that is making it seem mysterious. Whilst I understand that mamas family will want to close ranks around her, it's bizarre to me that she isn't pleading to and utilising any resource possible (media etc) to find her babies. I know everyone is different and deal with things differently, but I would expect it to be the mama publicly appealing for help and not the step dad... Part of me is honestly hoping that some version of this last scenario is true and them babies are safe and warm and fed, and that it's just a situation that's gotten out of control, I hope that so badly.

All just my brain spew and please feel free to disagree with any or all of it

 

[EspressoBean]

I dont think it was that serious on their bus though, sounds kind of endearing actually the way the bus driver describes it.

Possibly. But I would take a guess that the bus driver would be minimizing any behaviour that might put a negative light on these two missing children.

 

[musicaljoke]

I've seen nothing in MSM that indicates the kids were "likely unsupervised for hours".

Do some people think that kids are "unsupervised" if the parents are asleep while the kids are playing in another room of their home? It seems to me that is just normal family living.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Do some people think that kids are "unsupervised" if the parents are asleep while the kids are playing in another room of their home? It seems to me that is just normal family living.

It's been normal family living in my childhood as well as in my parental role for the last 60+ years.

 

[Bigditch]

I was just reading back over some of the articles in thread one , and I know the sliding door was discussed so much that it could have formed its own thread .

How did the parents know the kids didn't exit through the front door of the property especially since the sliding door was apparently silent or is there not a front facing one . I can't seem to find a pic that is taken from this angle .



Found one it's from the globe and the mail newspaper ... so how are they 100%certain the sliding door was the exit point especially since the kids never closed this exit after themselves is there also a door to the side of the property on the right or is that a window

View attachment 597284View attachment 597285

I believe there is a better Pic than that one.

 

[MistyWaters]

Do some people think that kids are "unsupervised" if the parents are asleep while the kids are playing in another room of their home? It seems to me that is just normal family living.

What’s the difference between normal family living where parents typically know their children’s whereabouts and this family who’s two children have been missing for more than 7 weeks?

 

[musicaljoke]

I was just reading back over some of the articles in thread one , and I know the sliding door was discussed so much that it could have formed its own thread .

How did the parents know the kids didn't exit through the front door of the property especially since the sliding door was apparently silent or is there not a front facing one . I can't seem to find a pic that is taken from this angle .



Found one it's from the globe and the mail newspaper ... so how are they 100%certain the sliding door was the exit point especially since the kids never closed this exit after themselves is there also a door to the side of the property on the right or is that a window

View attachment 597284View attachment 597285

Perhaps the front door was locked or otherwise impassable. Perhaps the sliding door could be opened silently so it was the only logical explanation of how the kids could have gone outside. I expect that the parents are the best people to know which door the kids used to get out.

 

[ttjo]

Do some people think that kids are "unsupervised" if the parents are asleep while the kids are playing in another room of their home? It seems to me that is just normal family living.

you can child proof everything and you can be as safe as you think possible. When my daughter was about 3 or 4? she could open dead bolts. When I sold my house the new buyers asked me why I had a dead bolt installed at the top of my door. because my daughter is houdini and loved to play with the little boy next door and she wasnt waiting on anyone.

 

[MistyWaters]

you can child proof everything and you can be as safe as you think possible. When my daughter was about 3 or 4? she could open dead bolts. When I sold my house the new buyers asked me why I had a dead bolt installed at the top of my door. because my daughter is houdini and loved to play with the little boy next door and she wasnt waiting on anyone.

Good point, it’s a matter of know your child. Not all children can be ‘free ranged’ and if the parent doesn’t care about ensuring the child’s safety, then who will?