CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[iveyguy]

Maybe there is an alternative reason mother is not making a statement or hasn't been seen??

Her own mother publicly accused DM of being involved roughly 24 hours into the search and since then, she's been silent. The premise of this accusation is still a big mystery, but I'm confident that MBM had realized at this point that her two oldest children were never coming back. To me, this is the most probable reason for her silence - she knows the outcome and could not pretend otherwise. Having said this, it's a mystery to me why we know nothing more six weeks later. Perhaps LE is just continuing to build their case, but if it was that obvious, there should have been an arrest by now.

 

[Chimera]

N.S. missing kids: Why policing expert believes case now a criminal investigation | Globalnews.ca

A former Nova Scotia police detective says he believes the search for two missing children in Pictou County that has lasted more than a month is now a criminal investigation.

globalnews.ca

WATCH: A former police investigator in Halifax believes the disappearance of Lilly and Jack Sullivan has become a criminal investigation. Mitchell Bailey reports.

Thanks for the link !

Well, that's 'new' news to yours truly.
Hmm.
Waiting for confirmation from LE/RCMP.
Imo.

 

[tlcya]

N.S. missing kids: Why policing expert believes case now a criminal investigation | Globalnews.ca

A former Nova Scotia police detective says he believes the search for two missing children in Pictou County that has lasted more than a month is now a criminal investigation.

globalnews.ca

WATCH: A former police investigator in Halifax believes the disappearance of Lilly and Jack Sullivan has become a criminal investigation. Mitchell Bailey reports.

“If they’re giving polygraphs, then they want to see if people’s statements are truthful as far as they can interpret it from the polygraph. But to me, it’s a criminal investigation. And that’s how I interpret this right now,” Hoskins said.

I am in the same place right now and agree with retired Halifax Regional Police officer, former major crimes staff sergeant, Jim Hoskins.

 

[MistyWaters]

The kids are autistic, verbal, then non-verbal, all point to some kind of drugs being used. Back to the overdose theory.

Whatever theory involving an accident still falls under the category of a criminal investigation. Two children cannot both die instantly - it’s not as if they fell from a 21st floor apartment - and after the accident nobody sought emergency medical treatment for any injuries prior to hiding of the bodies somewhere. Then two (or more) people knowingly lied to police causing a time consuming but pointless search to take place.

I don’t consider the ‘accidental’ theory being any kinder than if someone had intentionally caused their deaths and no one else was privy to the circumstances.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Thanks for the link !

Well, that's 'new' news to yours truly.
Hmm.
Waiting for confirmation from LE/RCMP.
Imo.

That’s not rocket science. From the beginning the RCMP said every missing persons case is considered suspicious until proven otherwise.

Obviously this one has not proven otherwise as they’ve also recently announced ‘all scenarios are being considered’.

 

[Slebby]

My itchy brain is full of questions.
I am interested in knowing what kind of social life they had, DM and MBM. For example, did they have many friends? Their home is in a pretty remote unpopulated area. I know when I had 3 little ones, our social life was family events and play dates. Did they have people over? Note: * I’m not interested in rumours of alleged drugs or alleged parties * I’m more curious to know how wide was the circle of people who were familiar with the children and the home, and who the children might consider safe and friendly.
LE has stated they have interviewed 54 people. I would be interested in seeing who they are. There would be the immediate circle, family, then also school personnel, bus driver, neighbours. After that? Is 54 a lot or not that many?
It would be interesting to know if DM, MBM, or other family members like mom of DM and brother of DM have criminal records, and if so, for what offenses.
I don’t recall ever seeing news accounts of whether DM’s mom and/or brother were around on the day of the disappearance. It feels like a gap in the coverage of what happened that day, not to say if they were there and any role they played in the search.

This is all me going, hmmm, and MOO

 

[FansBlowing]

54 people seems like a lot to me. Add Daniel's employer and co-workers, the mail person, and any babysitters they may have had.

 

[Ursa Major]

I want to see the wolf dog photo. Can you send me the link in a private email, if that link is not allowed. I recall that Malehya, in her youtube video from 10 years ago, saying that wolves were her favorite animal.

Yes of course.

 

[musicaljoke]

This part doesn't make sense to me. if they weren't aware that the kids were outside playing, how can she say that the kids were outside playing?

She never saw them outside playing, right - they were in the house, then it was quiet, then they look outside and can't find the kids.

Was the sliding door open, and that's how they knew the kids had gone outside? But that's never explicitly said.

When my kids went outside to play, it was fairly obvious that they had been there. Toys that were tidied up the night before would be strewn, a pail might have their imaginary soup concoction in it, the sandbox would show signs that the kids had been playing there just a wee while ago. There would be fresh ruts under the swings, a stick pile on the lawn ...

If there had been no evidence that the kids had been in the back yard playing, then the kids may have made a bee line through the yard without touching a thing. That doesn't seem to be the case from the parents' observation that the kids had been playing in the back yard.

 

[Chimera]

That’s not rocket science. From the beginning the RCMP said every missing persons case is considered suspicious until proven otherwise.

Obviously this one has not proven otherwise as they’ve also recently announced ‘all scenarios are being considered’.

Emphasis mine.
Agreed with the bolded, for sure.

I meant that it seems LE/RCMP are leaning more towards it being criminal, as opposed to the children just wandering off.
A bit less 'on the fence', if you will.
And I've still thought this entire time that LE know more than they're saying.
The ongoing silence feels like they're building a case, but that's my .02.
Perhaps I should have clarified my comment a bit more.
Imo.

 

[musicaljoke]

I want to see the wolf dog photo. Can you send me the link in a private email, if that link is not allowed. I recall that Malehya, in her youtube video from 10 years ago, saying that wolves were her favorite animal.

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[AddyFinch]

54 people seems like a lot to me. Add Daniel's employer and co-workers, the mail person, and any babysitters they may have had.

It is quite a lot
Bus driver, School secretary, Teacher 1,Teacher 2, Grandmother Maternal, Grandfather Maternal ,Brother. Grandmother Paternal. Grandfather Paternal. Mother, Father, Step father, Uncle on property, Stepfather mother on property,Stepfather x wife, Stepfather boss, Children's physician, Social worker from previous custody case, grocery store employee,...... that's only 19....
Ideas?

 

[AddyFinch]

I am in the same place right now and agree with retired Halifax Regional Police officer, former major crimes staff sergeant, Jim Hoskins.

I wonder how "criminal" he's leaning too...so "wandering away" is off his chart, which leaves abduction, murder, or criminal negligence???
This is a dark hole comment but... could one of the children have killed the other, and parents are hiding fact that they reacted in a response?

 

[MistyWaters]

It is quite a lot
Bus driver, School secretary, Teacher 1,Teacher 2, Grandmother Maternal, Grandfather Maternal ,Brother. Grandmother Paternal. Grandfather Paternal. Mother, Father, Step father, Uncle on property, Stepfather mother on property,Stepfather x wife, Stepfather boss, Children's physician, Social worker from previous custody case, grocery store employee,...... that's only 19....
Ideas?

There’s sure to be more than just one brother. All siblings, perhaps spouses and cousins of DM and MBM, depending on the extent of the relationship, stepfather’s coworkers, parents of children who went to school with either Lilly or Jack, any neighbours with a certain km radius, did DM have other children? all ex’s and grandparents and possibly their new partners.

If this area is similar to other remote places then everyone is connected in some way or another and information gleaned from general talk (aka gossip) might prove helpful to LE.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I wonder how "criminal" he's leaning too...so "wandering away" is off his chart, which leaves abduction, murder, or criminal negligence???
This is a dark hole comment but... could one of the children have killed the other, and parents are hiding fact that they reacted in a response?

Global refers to him as a ‘policing expert’ instead of a retired guy with an opinion. Hard to he an expert as he’s not familiar with the file.

 

[Skigh]

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It is quite a lot
Bus driver, School secretary, Teacher 1,Teacher 2, Grandmother Maternal, Grandfather Maternal ,Brother. Grandmother Paternal. Grandfather Paternal. Mother, Father, Step father, Uncle on property, Stepfather mother on property,Stepfather x wife, Stepfather boss, Children's physician, Social worker from previous custody case, grocery store employee,...... that's only 19....
Ideas?

I think school staff could easily go into double figures by the time you add in classroom assistants ,special needs teachers ,head ,deputy and any other adults such as playtime/lunch supervisors. Friends and family could also be much higher. I actually do not think it would be difficult to reach 54.

 

[Chimera]

54 people seems like a lot to me. Add Daniel's employer and co-workers, the mail person, and any babysitters they may have had.

Bbm.
Agreed, it does.
It tells me (imo) that the focus is on known persons, directly or indirectly to the immediate family ?
I want to think that someone has them and they're alive and ok, but that'd be a very rare scenario !
Omo.

 

[teeby]

54 doesn't sound like a lot to me. Just at school you could have main teacher, teacher's aide, principal, whichever admin handles little kid discipline, music teacher, art teacher, gym teacher, special ed teacher, speech therapist, maybe other therapists? Multiply some of that by two because they're in different classes. Add in a handful of neighbors, the family members, anyone at the store who saw them the day they were there, anyone who is alleged to have been at this rumored party or posted about it online (even if it didn't happen I'm sure the police heard the rumor and checked it out), dad's coworkers, family friends, the social worker at CPS, etc.

 

[justice2962]

Nova Scotia RCMP’s intensive approach to missing persons investigation continues | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

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More than 11 Nova Scotia RCMP units are working on the missing persons investigation, some of which include the Northeast Nova RCMP Major Crime Unit, Pictou County District RCMP, Digital Forensic Services, Truth Verification Section, Legal Application Support Team, Police Dog Services, Underwater Recovery Team, Behavioural Sciences Group, and the Criminal Analysis Service.

They are joined in their investigational efforts by the National Centre of Missing Persons, Canadian Centre for Child Protection, and provincial and municipal police agencies from Nova Scotia and other parts of Canada.

I’m putting the RCMP update here again, and this is all JMO, MOO
With all these special teams being involved it seems this is now and perhaps for a while, a criminal investigation. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Major Crimes being involved is not the norm unless some sort of foul play is suspected. I know the RCMP still says “all scenarios are being considered” but IMO, wouldn’t they say that, even if they don’t actually think that’s the case…simply to not put people on guard who might be involved and for the fact that the RCMP are still putting the pieces together….
I’m not experienced in any way but all of this just seems extreme to me and again JMO

 

[Sarahlou]

Nova Scotia RCMP’s intensive approach to missing persons investigation continues | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

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More than 11 Nova Scotia RCMP units are working on the missing persons investigation, some of which include the Northeast Nova RCMP Major Crime Unit, Pictou County District RCMP, Digital Forensic Services, Truth Verification Section, Legal Application Support Team, Police Dog Services, Underwater Recovery Team, Behavioural Sciences Group, and the Criminal Analysis Service.

They are joined in their investigational efforts by the National Centre of Missing Persons, Canadian Centre for Child Protection, and provincial and municipal police agencies from Nova Scotia and other parts of Canada.

I’m putting the RCMP update here again, and this is all JMO, MOO
With all these special teams being involved it seems this is now and perhaps for a while, a criminal investigation. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Major Crimes being involved is not the norm unless some sort of foul play is suspected. I know the RCMP still says “all scenarios are being considered” but IMO, wouldn’t they say that, even if they don’t actually think that’s the case…simply to not put people on guard who might be involved and for the fact that the RCMP are still putting the pieces together….
I’m not experienced in any way but all of this just seems extreme to me and again JMO

BIB - Absolutely. They play things close to their chest.
I would think they've suspected this is a criminal investigation from the start.