CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[su5ie]

If MBM and DM were on the rocks prior to missing children, why were they in bed with each other that morning? I know that’s the last place I would be unless forced. So I don’t believe they were in the same room at all. If the blow out happened as said ie families got into an accusatory argument and she said “I’m outta here”, or “I’m outta here final straw”, then that the start of the relationship failure. If it as before, maybe she has a good reason to distrust him. Does he have a prior history of DV?
I agree with OP who said it was dirty to mention her mental health.and if she didn’t have one prior, she certainly would now. Her flesh and blood are gone.

Not every couple who is on the rocks or even have informally separated sleep in separate beds , sometimes it's a shortage of space or some other reason like one person not acknowledging the split or avoiding the issue altogether. Some couples even put on a front for the kids sake .

Maybe there was a makeshift bed on the floor who knows . And we are just speculating that their relationship was already close to ending .

My point was if everything was rosy in the garden between the two and she was 100% truthful of the events that morning, how can she accuse Daniel of harming the kids . So the truth was embellished imo if the reason she departed on day 2 was because she suspected Daniel did something .

Or prehaps her family never liked Daniel and that day because she was in anguish and pain and hadnt the strength to argue ,complied with her families pleas to leave

 

[Ontario Mom]

Has LE confirmed there were other people in the home or on the property that morning?
I would like to know what person in the RV did or said that morning when DM began screaming for kids in yard. Were they ever involved with children's care, or in search that morning?
Did MBM work outside the home?
How often did biological father visit kids? Did MBM have legal custody of kids?
Did DM have partial custody of his other kids, or regular visitation, were they supervised visits. Did those kids stay at DM's house for sleepovers etc? Would they have interviewed those kids, at least the oldest?

I have 100% confidence LE has the answers to every single one of those questions.

And yet, the kids are still missing and no one's been named a POI, a suspect, or arrested.

From the little I've seen of both parents in the media, they both strike me as just regular folks.
Not a couple of criminal masterminds that can forensically wipe a scene & eliminate all traces of their involvement of any criminal involvement, either physical or digital.
I know 6 weeks isn't very long to be investigating a missing persons case but if either one of them had anything to do with those kids being missing, with all the different agencies and professional investigators working this case, it sure does seem like LE would have made that connection long before now.

jmo

 

[Slebby]

If the children had of been found the next day , the general protocol would be that Maleyha would be contacted by LE to say the children were found and are enroute to a hospital for rehydration and a check up

Yes, I realize found children will be sent for medical care and family informed.
What I was speaking to, though, was the stressful dynamic of losing a child/children which often causes couples to break up. The dynamic of lost children has been rectified. In this hypothetical, does this alleviate the stress that cause them to break up?

 

[su5ie]

I have 100% confidence LE has the answers to every single one of those questions.

And yet, the kids are still missing and no one's been named a POI, a suspect, or arrested.

From the little I've seen of both parents in the media, they both strike me as just regular folks.
Not a couple of criminal masterminds that can forensically wipe a scene & eliminate all traces of their involvement of any criminal involvement, either physical or digital.
I know 6 weeks isn't very long to be investigating a missing persons case but if either one of them had anything to do with those kids being missing, with all the different agencies and professional investigators working this case, it sure does seem like LE would have made that connection long before now.

jmo

The points you make are correct and my observation would be same they are just regular folk . Because of your posts my confidence in the RCMP has grown tremendously so thanks for that

One note I do want to make is most of the parents or step parents whom have killed their kids are not criminal masterminds , and although forensic evidence can be and is regularly gotten from digital devices . Not every crime leaves physical or digital evidence an awful lot of the time the physical evidence is the body and without that and any other evidence unfortunately many killers walk freely among us for years. Forensics and investigations take time as your aware and 6 weeks is relatively short when it comes to that .

And I'm on the same page as you regarding the parents, personally I don't think either of them harmed the children . Do I think they have lied about events that morning? Yes I do

 

[su5ie]

Yes, I realize found children will be sent for medical care and family informed.
What I was speaking to, though, was the stressful dynamic of losing a child/children which often causes couples to break up. The dynamic of lost children has been rectified. In this hypothetical, does this alleviate the stress that cause them to break up?

I guess time will tell .

 

[Slebby]

I agree, DM and MBM are telling the same story. If the disappearance truly occurred that morning and at the time they said it did, then I believe either both are involved, or neither are involved. I don’t know what happened, but IT IS MY OPINION that they both possess some sort of guilty knowledge. I see him standing in front of cameras saying too much and I see her clamming up completely.
MOO

 

[AddyFinch]

I agree. Honestly I don't think either of them are smart/savy enough to carry off this crime.
I still think they are both lying about something. Are they guilty of neglect? I think so, but criminal negligence? I'm not so sure.
I still think this was stranger abduction, and after compiling all those attempts within the area, over the course of of a year or so, then I do think there may well be a pedo, ring, or trafficking going on.
Crime of opportunity, and yes, just a fluke these kids were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe even the night before. (could that be the lie?). Her disappearance could strictly be from guilt.

 

[MistyWaters]

The Province of Nova Scotia has a rewards program for information resulting in solved cases. No reward has been offered regarding the disappearance of Jack and Lilly so I would presume the reason is because the RCMP has not yet associated the disappearance to be crime related. I wonder why as offering an award might give it a little more attention.

Rewards for Major Unsolved Crimes | novascotia.ca

Rewards for Major Unsolved Crimes​

The Department of Justice is offering cash rewards of up to $150,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of person(s) responsible for specified major unsolved crimes.

Unsolved cases are submitted by the policing agency of jurisdiction to the Department of Justice for consideration and approval into the Rewards for Major Unsolved Crimes Program. As unsolved cases are accepted into the program they will be posted on this website.

 

[AddyFinch]

I think we all should submit our tips.... surely one of them will hit the jackpot???
Personally I would like the Sherman Reward money!! 35 million!!!

 

[musicaljoke]

bbm
It certainly wouldn't hurt to search from a different starting point -- maybe it's already been done, but if not...

I don't think there will be another search of the same magnitude. The initial search was done to find living children. When all hope ended, the searchers went home.

It will be much more difficult to do a recovery search now that the leaves and undergrowth is out fully. It might be easier in the fall, but then, searchers will be looking under piles of fallen leaves and that will be difficult too.

That's why I have little hope that they will be found soon. It's just such a difficult landscape.

Did step father tell us that he is out searching every day? Seems to me I recall reading that.

 

[Gemmie]

Did step father tell us that he is out searching every day? Seems to me I recall reading that.

I recall the same but for the life of me I can't find anything in MSM (Google isn't what it used to be IMO). But the question is... what date did he say that? Because if he said that several days later, or even a week out, that statement of his might not be true any longer. It has been a month and a half.

JMO

 

[Bigditch]

Dbm

 

[justice2962]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/grandmother-of-missing-kids-speaks-out-1.7527553

If you scroll down there’s a video that’s 4:05 minutes. At approx the 2:46 point, DM speaks and this is where he says he’s been searching every day. This was on May 6th

 

[Bigditch]

Is it possible this has something to do with a drug deal gone horribly bad. Thinking out loud here.

What if DM knew stuff was happening under his nose and ignored it or turned the other way as a means to earn a few kickback dollars?

Then someone 'not D or M' decides to stiff the distributor and, well, someone has to pay.

Imo

 

[Sjöberg]

I currently entertain mostly these three options:
1) harmed by someone they knew during daily life (not limited to parents)
2) actually did wander off and died of the elements
3) a crime of opportunity, that might or might not include elements of 1 or 2

The more time goes on, the more I consider that the kids might have actually walked off. If it weren't for the suspicious timing of calling kids absent from school... AFAIK there seem to be no prior reports of abuse of any of the children and I don't think it is very common for two kids to be killed at once during punishment or such (and family annihilator type filicide cases imo generally look different)? And unfortunately, an unexpected free day is exactly the sort of thing that makes you invent new game ideas and such, that might include going to places you don't normally go to.

I really don't know what to make of it. I don't want to focus on anyone specific with the lack of evidence we know of so far.

 

[shetalksinstereo]

I agree. Honestly I don't think either of them are smart/savy enough to carry off this crime.
I still think they are both lying about something. Are they guilty of neglect? I think so, but criminal negligence? I'm not so sure.
I still think this was stranger abduction, and after compiling all those attempts within the area, over the course of of a year or so, then I do think there may well be a pedo, ring, or trafficking going on.
Crime of opportunity, and yes, just a fluke these kids were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe even the night before. (could that be the lie?). Her disappearance could strictly be from guilt.

I want to think it's stranger abduction too, but I just didn't see the outcry from the mother (or a representative for the mother) if that is what she truly believed.

 

[teeby]

Speculation: I wonder if for some reason the mother doesn't remember what happened that morning (hangover? Mental illness?) and she suspects that the step dad did something (hence the split) but she's afraid to admit that her part of the story is made up based on what he told her because she thinks she'll lose custody of the baby if she admits to an ongoing problem that makes her unable to supervise appropriately. And since she actually has no evidence that he did anything or even that his story is false, she figures the best thing to do for her remaining child is to say nothing.

 

[FansBlowing]

Let's look at the disappearance assuming Malehya is being truthful:

-She told CTV News when she woke up Friday, she heard them playing in the next room and she drifted back to sleep. (was this 6:18 am when she notified the school?)
-She said they’re not typically the type of kids who would go outside on their own. (let's assume they didn't go outside by themselves, but went with Daniel).
-We always make sure that we’re out there with them, watching them, and they happen to just get out that sliding door, and we can’t hear it when it opens, and they were outside playing, but we weren’t aware of it at the time, and the next thing we knew it was quiet,” said Brooks-Murray. (was this quiet time at 9:30ish right before the call to 911? That means Daniel could have been outside with those kids for 3 hours before he got back in bed with Malehya.)
-We get up and look outside. We’re looking everywhere, yelling for them, and I instantly just called 911. I just had the instinct I needed to call.

 

[AddyFinch]

She sunk herself when she said "-We always make sure that we’re out there with them, watching them, and they happen to just get out that sliding door, and we can’t hear it when it opens, and they were outside playing, but we weren’t aware of it at the time, and the next thing we knew it was quiet"

She's contradicting herself...."they were outside playing, but we weren't aware of it at the time".........then how did she know they were outside playing if they weren't aware of it at the time?

So she admits they were outside playing, but did nothing, but she said "We always make sure that we’re out there with them, watching them". Why didn't they get up to supervise, or call them in?

"and the next thing we knew it was quiet"..... so they knew they were outside, but not aware of it at the time, and, the next time of awareness, they were aware, it was quiet??

Either they knew they were outside or they didn't. It doesn't matter why they didn't do anything about it (all hindsight now). Think of this.... how do you know they were outside playing, but werent' aware of it? Maybe English isn't her second language?

To me this is stress talking or one big fat lie and she goofed the story line.
I still say guilty of neglect and this proves it, they were not watching those vulnerable kids, plain and simple. Possibly worse... they knew they were in a potential harmful situation and chose to sleep rather than protect. But did they murder them? Probably not.
Can you prove neglect if a person is feeble minded or not educated? How can they be neglectful if they honestly didn't know better (not saying this is the case)

I also think those kids were gone before the am. Was he fixing the fence, or did he take them for a walk? Or is this the reason for MBM to leave? He promised to fix the broken fence and didn't, and they eloped via the opening?

 

[su5ie]

Let's look at the disappearance assuming Malehya is being truthful:

-She told CTV News when she woke up Friday, she heard them playing in the next room and she drifted back to sleep. (was this 6:18 am when she notified the school?)
-She said they’re not typically the type of kids who would go outside on their own. (let's assume they didn't go outside by themselves, but went with Daniel).
-We always make sure that we’re out there with them, watching them, and they happen to just get out that sliding door, and we can’t hear it when it opens, and they were outside playing, but we weren’t aware of it at the time, and the next thing we knew it was quiet,” said Brooks-Murray. (was this quiet time at 9:30ish right before the call to 911? That means Daniel could have been outside with those kids for 3 hours before he got back in bed with Malehya.)
-We get up and look outside. We’re looking everywhere, yelling for them, and I instantly just called 911. I just had the instinct I needed to call.

I have thought since the beginning that it was a 2/3 hour gap between hearing the kids and noticing they were missing.

My take on it is very similar to yours .
Let's say the baby / toddler woke at 6am or there abouts for a feed ( could be still breast fed ) Maleyha texts the school at 6.18am . Kids might have been coughing during the night or like loads of parents worldwide just said sure the kids been off since Wednesday I will send them back Monday. She falls back asleep with baby and maybe Daniel was awake or he wasn't. She doesn't know , so because she may have had her trust broken before she doesn't know what to believe.( Because let's face fact , if you have a trusting , loving relationship with your partner you will turn to him for help not turn away and cut contact ) All she knows is her kids are missing and instinct tells her to call the police .

Now that Instinct didn't tell her the kids went over to step granny's RV or they wandered off . It told her they were abducted . Why ?

She is in panic mode , her mind is racing ,she goes through a mental list of the kids usual behaviour. She spells this behaviour out to the RCMP, they are never outside alone . This is her thought process as she is panicked. You have probably been in a situation were panic and what you say is just a mental box ticking out loud

So if there is a 3 hour window where the kids were alone or Daniel was awake at 6.17am and Maleyha doesn't know if Daniel fell back asleep or not . This is a double edged sword, does she tell the truth and possibly lose all her kids , remember she is hoping lilly and jack are found quickly, all she wants is to hug them tightly and probably never let them out of her sight again , sure the woman is probably promising all the gods in the heavens she will never close her eyes again to blink let alone sleep if only the kids are home safe . Last thing she wants is cps taking all 3 kids off her . The dread of possibly not seeing two of her children is horrendous, let alone to find them and lose them again over her imagined stupidity of falling back asleep.

Now we enter day 2 , I highly doubt she slept a wink , she is tired , family in her ear , she is out of her mind with worry over the kids not being found yet , sleep deprived ,negative thoughts start creeping in ,suspicion grows , she starts doubting Daniel maybe she has reason to suspect him ,by his own admission he is the one that disciplines the kids , maybe she thinks he went too far this time , maybe he has threatened the kids in the past with something as simple as ' if you keep leaving that sliding door open , I will leave you out there and you won't be coming back in "

Now she thinks he might have . So she leaves .

Did Daniel lock them outside , went back to bed and when they woke up they were gone ? Ran into the woods upset and got lost , maybe that's why he was checking the culverts and drains , did the kids usually hide when he reprimanded them ?

I will repeat myself again someone is lying imo . But is it to protect themselves so they don't lose meadow or is it to protect themselves because they are inadvertently or advertently at fault . Idk