CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

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“Going from a family of seven to just me, I have nothing but time to just think,” he said.

The emotional toll has left its mark on Martell, who has lost of custody of his daughter Meadow.

“I haven’t even got to see my own kids, not even Meadow yet, but I’m still hopeful. I have supervised visits coming up with CPS,” said Martell.


I would love to know what the reason is for DM losing custody of Meadow
 
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“Going from a family of seven to just me, I have nothing but time to just think,” he said.

The emotional toll has left its mark on Martell, who has lost of custody of his daughter Meadow.

“I haven’t even got to see my own kids, not even Meadow yet, but I’m still hopeful. I have supervised visits coming up with CPS,” said Martell.


I would love to know what the reason is for DM losing custody of Meadow
I would love to know why the visits are supervised, and not just visits.
MOO
 
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The primary concern here is Meadow's safety. Two missing siblings and an ongoing police investigation is a big red flag, so they are probably just being cautious.
 
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The children were last seen in public on May 1, getting groceries with their stepfather, Daniel Martell, in the nearby town of New Glasgow.

Mr. Martell has said he and the family spent the evening at the mobile home while he worked on the fence at the back of the property. His mother, who owns the mobile home, resides on the property in a camper.

Bbm

The next morning, the children’s mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray, marked the children absent from school at 6:17 a.m., Mr. Martell said.
 
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I would love to know why the visits are supervised, and not just visits.
MOO


Purely speculation but given how MBM left without DM knowing where she went, it could be his visitation must be supervised to prevent her from having to meet with him to give hm access to their child. Assuming DM is innocent of any involvement I could imagine a contentious situation with him demanding some answers if the two were at the same place at the same time. JMO

“In some cases, judges may have ordered family members to supervise children while preventing contact between parents, he said.”
 
  • #386
It does appear that there is new wood for the fencing on the left side. It looks like the other sections are just temporary fencing and need to be upgraded. Since Meadow is walking or close to it, then they probably wanted this more secure for her.

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The children were last seen in public on May 1, getting groceries with their stepfather, Daniel Martell, in the nearby town of New Glasgow.

Mr. Martell has said he and the family spent the evening at the mobile home while he worked on the fence at the back of the property. His mother, who owns the mobile home, resides on the property in a camper.

Bbm

The next morning, the children’s mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray, marked the children absent from school at 6:17 a.m., Mr. Martell said.
Per the bolded sentence:

Did she? Or did her phone?

JMO
 
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The children were last seen in public on May 1, getting groceries with their stepfather, Daniel Martell, in the nearby town of New Glasgow.

Mr. Martell has said he and the family spent the evening at the mobile home while he worked on the fence at the back of the property. His mother, who owns the mobile home, resides on the property in a camper.

Bbm

The next morning, the children’s mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray, marked the children absent from school at 6:17 a.m., Mr. Martell said.
The bolded is new to me !!!!
We have mostly DM's word for so much of the available accounts of that day.
Grain of salt and all that.

So, if Lilly had a cough, why not send Jack to school ?
Also-- and imo this is important-- MBM was awake at 6:17 am... here I thought she was asleep.
Or at least drifting in and out of sleep.
Timeline is important, imo.

Were both of the kids awake at 6 am-ish ?
Who fed them breakfast ?
Anyone else awake with them or did both mom and boyfriend go back to sleep ?
And many other questions.
Omo.
 
  • #389
Ok so this is just a random thought I had and I don't think that I have seen it posted previously...

The more I think about it the more confused I get about the fact that DM is still being so vocal about wanting the kids to come home and how the house is so quiet now and all that, ONLY because of the fact that, if they were to be found alive and well (something I do not believe will happen unfortunately), the circumstances being what they are...MBM moving out, cutting off all contact, changing relationship status on FB, him stating himself that CPS is involved and he has lost custody or whatever of their shared child and seemingly his own bio kids, and especially the fact that Lilly and Jack are NOT his bio children, he most likely wouldn't even have the opportunity to be with them ever at all. He has no rights to them, his home wouldn't be the home they'd return to, plus MBM has totally iced him out so I doubt she'd all of a sudden start talking to him and let him around her kids. The likelihood is he'd never interact with them again.

Obvi, the general idea is he wants them found safe, which everyone does, but the more I thought about it the more those aspects got me thinking.

All that said, I do think something more nefarious than them just walking away and/or some rando taking them. This is one of those cases that just does my head in.

MOO of course
 
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Ok so this is just a random thought I had and I don't think that I have seen it posted previously...

The more I think about it the more confused I get about the fact that DM is still being so vocal about wanting the kids to come home and how the house is so quiet now and all that, ONLY because of the fact that, if they were to be found alive and well (something I do not believe will happen unfortunately), the circumstances being what they are...MBM moving out, cutting off all contact, changing relationship status on FB, him stating himself that CPS is involved and he has lost custody or whatever of their shared child and seemingly his own bio kids, and especially the fact that Lilly and Jack are NOT his bio children, he most likely wouldn't even have the opportunity to be with them ever at all. He has no rights to them, his home wouldn't be the home they'd return to, plus MBM has totally iced him out so I doubt she'd all of a sudden start talking to him and let him around her kids. The likelihood is he'd never interact with them again.

Obvi, the general idea is he wants them found safe, which everyone does, but the more I thought about it the more those aspects got me thinking.

All that said, I do think something more nefarious than them just walking away and/or some rando taking them. This is one of those cases that just does my head in.

MOO of course
Bbm.
I admit I've been thinking the same.

Also going to add that I think MBM knows ... something !
How could a mom not be in front of cameras begging for their safe return or at least stay at the house they'd lived in, and keep searching the entire time ?
If she's living with her mom (sounds like it ?); MBM could be out searching in the daytime, while her mom looked after the toddler.
Just my .02.
 
  • #391
It does appear that there is new wood for the fencing on the left side. It looks like the other sections are just temporary fencing and need to be upgraded. Since Meadow is walking or close to it, then they probably wanted this more secure for her.

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I've tried to stay away from personal criticism of lifestyle, but I have to chime in here. While this would be adventurous for kids, this is absolutely dangerous for kids, especially the toddler. Is this why they stated they are always out in yard with them? Is this why CPS stepped in? (yes, I'm sure the missing children is largely the reason). Just the side fence rails are far enough apart for a child's head, the wet mattress, the sand table filled with with black water. I know, that some parents don't understand how to care for kids, so that's when adult agencies must take over. If DM wants his daughter back, and it's so quiet without them, he should start by hauling that backyard, and I would guess the inside looks the same.
 
  • #392
The Globe & Mail article mentioning the mother marking the kids absent on that Friday is no longer behind a paywall, as it's been deleted from their site. Just FYI.
 
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I forgot to add... this has bugged me for awhile.
We know nothing about bio dad, we've all heard the rumours, and can't state them here. And if this isn't allowed, mods need to delete, but back to the abduction theory.......... is this why all the silence, intel gathering? Could this all relate to the bio Dad?
And thank you to the OP that reminded us that DM is not the step father, but MBM's partner (her words). There actually is a difference which flew past me.
 
  • #394
Bbm.
I admit I've been thinking the same.

Also going to add that I think MBM knows ... something !
How could a mom not be in front of cameras begging for their safe return or at least stay at the house they'd lived in, and keep searching the entire time ?
If she's living with her mom (sounds like it ?); MBM could be out searching in the daytime, while her mom looked after the toddler.
Just my .02.
I've had that same thought many times in life. As someone once stated to me "some mothers just don't know how to be a mother, it isn't in them".You can throw all types of reasons at them, but in some cases it just boils down to the same old saying, "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still just a pig" There are no reasons, it just isn't in them.
 
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The children were last seen in public on May 1, getting groceries with their stepfather, Daniel Martell, in the nearby town of New Glasgow.

Mr. Martell has said he and the family spent the evening at the mobile home while he worked on the fence at the back of the property. His mother, who owns the mobile home, resides on the property in a camper.

Bbm

The next morning, the children’s mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray, marked the children absent from school at 6:17 a.m., Mr. Martell said.
Could the kids have got their hands on power tools Daniel left lying about from evening before? Just a thought

As I type this , I don't think the kids came to harm by either of the parents hands . If Maleyha had anything on Daniel I think we would have had news of a formal arrest. She would just come out and say off the bat he killed my kids .

In ireland a suspect can be arrested and questioned for up to 7 days with breaks for rest if the suspect opts for them , longer than I think 6 hours has to be approved by a judge . This can be done without finding a body . If the suspect opts to stay silent they are released without charge until more evidence transpires and in some cases a file of evidence sent to the DPP ( director of Public prosecutions )



Accusations towards one another in a crisis I feel can be done in anger and fear especially in dysfunctional, immature relationships .( generally it happens re Accusations of precieved infidelity in drunken arguments ) so prehaps Daniel is hopeful for a reconciliation

Here is my hypothesis on what happened,

Imo I don't think the relationship was a healthy one , I think it was akin to a teenage relationship dynamic. Lots of petty arguments, probably name calling and prehaps emotional ,financial and mental abuse . Most likely Daniel was the more stricter parent and most likely controlling. We can see in his interviews he is not humble in his opinion of his parenting and quite possibly feels superior to Maleyha in this regard But to the average Joe. It would appear on the surface at least . It was a normal family that have their troubles like the rest of us . I think the kids might have been fearful of upsetting him and thread carefully not to push the boundaries as living in a small abode I'm sure they would be witness to all of the above .

Usually in families where arguments are the norm usually one is the instigator or aggressor. Younger children will usually side and spend more time with the aggressor so as not to become a target or avoid them altogether

Daniel has said he repeatedly had to tell the kids to close the door when exiting into the yard . If we look at this , if you are a passive parent you may just say nothing the kids are young , kids will be kids etc they are 3 and 6 and I think only recently turned those ages . Do we really expect that level of responsibility from kids that young ?

Now back to the morning of the disappearance, I think the kids were yelled at that morning to be quiet ,you hardly whisper or speak in a low tone if you are in the bedroom and the kids in the kichen .depending on time maybe they were told to go back to bed , I think after 2 days running into 3 with no school they were bored and felt they would be able to be noiser in the yard without getting into trouble or yelled at . I think lilly closed the door and prehaps put a few toys or snacks in her backpack so as not to have to trouble Maleyha or Daniel until they decided to get up .

Now after this , is where it gets difficult. And it raises some questions. Did the children think they were in school and headed out to the road for the bus ? or did they think if they saw the bus driver , he might bring them to school as they were bored ? Remember kids of 3 and 6 don't think of the ins and outs of this . They just think the bus driver is our way to fun and other children .

Now from there at the side of the road . Did someone known to them or unknown to them take them to harm them ? As they were alone at the side of the road with no one watching. A stranger with nefarious intent may ask why are you at the side of a road, where are your parents ? The kids reply we are going to school and our parents are sleeping , stranger says get in I was sent to take you to school or something along those lines and as the kids will talk or go anywhere with anybody . Off they go

Or did they head out into the woods with the intent of finding a familiar place to play or have fun prehaps at the cabins ,Daniel refers to and got lost and tried to back track and got lost further ?

As a previous poster notes , it's in kids nature to not respond to the calling of their names if they think they are in the biggest trouble EVER particularly if the parent calling them is generally the one who doles out a spanking or some other punishment.

I think they are in the woods and unfortunately unless they have survival skills and know how and what to forage for and have access to water they are gone . Search and rescue no matter how throughout can miss remains or even people barely clinging to life let alone kids who may seek shelter in places adults wouldn't fit
 
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  • #396
To be fair, their backyard has probably been covered in several feet of snow all winter long. All that fencing is probably new and a temporary outline until more permanent fencing could be erected.
 
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I've tried to stay away from personal criticism of lifestyle, but I have to chime in here. While this would be adventurous for kids, this is absolutely dangerous for kids, especially the toddler. Is this why they stated they are always out in yard with them? Is this why CPS stepped in? (yes, I'm sure the missing children is largely the reason). Just the side fence rails are far enough apart for a child's head, the wet mattress, the sand table filled with with black water. I know, that some parents don't understand how to care for kids, so that's when adult agencies must take over. If DM wants his daughter back, and it's so quiet without them, he should start by hauling that backyard, and I would guess the inside looks the same.
Is there not recycling centres in pictou seems like an awful lot of old stuff that has been lying around for years let alone months .

I know rural yards and farms can have lots lying around that city folk think is just rubbish but for country folk it has a purpose, but from what I can see from pic , I'm surprised DM even bothered repairing a fence because nothing else about the property is maintained and I generally don't judge either
 
  • #398
The Globe & Mail article mentioning the mother marking the kids absent on that Friday is no longer behind a paywall, as it's been deleted from their site. Just FYI.
Wow . Is it the norm for media sites to remove old articles or is it only when information contained in them have been found to be untrue
 
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I forgot to add... this has bugged me for awhile.
We know nothing about bio dad, we've all heard the rumours, and can't state them here. And if this isn't allowed, mods need to delete, but back to the abduction theory.......... is this why all the silence, intel gathering? Could this all relate to the bio Dad?
And thank you to the OP that reminded us that DM is not the step father, but MBM's partner (her words). There actually is a difference which flew past me.
I think you might be surprised at how many people don't follow the social media rumors on cases.
I've always been thankful they're not allowed here because I prefer discussions based on facts. I'm probably dating myself when I say I always loved the line attributed to "Joe Friday" played by Jack Webb on Dragnet: "just the facts, ma'am".

In this case, bio dad appears to not be in the picture at all, and as far as I know, neither LE or any MSM outlet have even mentioned him.
 
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