CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[Gemmie]

Definitely possible for kids to keep secrets - but highly unlikely they would keep a secret like someone taking them out/away from their mum at that age and also remembering there is two children, two times the likelihood to tell mum.

Great point!

 

[su5ie]

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I do think prehaps in the first couple of days / week it was taken for granted that the kids wandered off . Prehaps this is always the first part of the process when a child /(ren) go missing in remote and rural areas

Now I'm sure things were going on in the background like family interviews , background checks/ medical histories and possibly checking in with cps / schools to see if physical violence / abuses were an issue in the previous months / past . And the search would have been for lost children as much as the possibility of hidden bodies of said children.

I would have previously thought and prehaps it was an illusion that in regards to children being reported missing that no option is ruled out , imo ruling out of an abduction planned or unplanned possibly bought a lot of time if this happened .

The only thing that I suppose keeps me from fully believing an abduction theory is it was a school day and unless Malehya knew from the day before the kids weren't going to be in school and happened to mention that to someone at the store and someone with those tendencies happened to even casually know where the children lived and decided to take a chance and see if an opportunity to sieze even one of the children presented itself idk

A lot of the time but not all especially in a rural setting the alternate two scenarios are the ones that generally transpire if the case gets solved . Parental or familial harm or misadventure this is usually the case for both children and adults.

Usually with hindsight previous cps involvement has been a huge marker of when children could have been saved and removed before things escalated or in which the direction of the investigators were going in the background and out of the public eye but then there is the outliers so it's not a definitive rule of thumb .

I sincerely hope these kids are found for the family to have closure and their right to privacy restored because if the social media frenzy that is ensuing is anything to go by ( a lot of YouTubers and tiktokers are monetizing on this sad case )the videos with the most clicks are the ones trolling and blaming the parents and making up absolute rubbish imo . It has the potential to become one of those cases that carry on in conspiracy chat forums for years with a thousand different theories and cuckoo land mental gymnastics

 

[Mom of 3]

Regarding the atv - I live in an area surrounded by a rural environment, and it is VERY common for people with living situations similar to DM and MBM to have multiple types of recreational vehicles in the yard. Priorities are different. Also, who knows who paid for them, possibly his mother? Anyway, just wanted to jump in and say that we comment about that all the time, having a $5k house and a $50k truck in the driveway, or 5 snowmobiles, or UTVs etc.

Also, who knows how long they were owned. Just because DM was only working one shift/week doesn't mean that was always the case. He may have had a much more stable financial situation previously.

 

[AddyFinch]

This lack of valid info is frustrating, and the loss of interest is rapidly approaching. Bottom line, DM & MBM do not matter, those two kids do. If this is a hoax orchestrated by parents/family/friends, I hope the LE/courts throw the book at them, and demand restitution for the countless amounts of money spent in trying to find them. And if the parents murdered them... well, they will rot in hell, but eventually someone will talk, and the truth will come out.
I find it difficult to believe that either of those immature parents killed them, but stranger things have happened. But now is the time to fess up and do right by those kids. If alive, they are suffering at the hands of a psycho or idiots.
If this was a preplanned hand off, they botched it. If it was murder.... well DM you figure it out. As to the family leaking and talking to grifting podcast you tube and tic Tok.... you show the lack of education you have.

 

[su5ie]

This lack of valid info is frustrating, and the loss of interest is rapidly approaching. Bottom line, DM & MBM do not matter, those two kids do. If this is a hoax orchestrated by parents/family/friends, I hope the LE/courts throw the book at them, and demand restitution for the countless amounts of money spent in trying to find them. And if the parents murdered them... well, they will rot in hell, but eventually someone will talk, and the truth will come out.
I find it difficult to believe that either of those immature parents killed them, but stranger things have happened. But now is the time to fess up and do right by those kids. If alive, they are suffering at the hands of a psycho or idiots.
If this was a preplanned hand off, they botched it. If it was murder.... well DM you figure it out. As to the family leaking and talking to grifting podcast you tube and tic Tok.... you show the lack of education you have.

Now might be a good time to run cadaver dogs through the search areas with the temperatures rising due to the start of summer it might be the last throw of that particular dice that's needed to find them if they did indeed wander into the forest

 

[pizzawonder]

IMO it depends on the kid. A lot of kids can't keep secrets, IMO, but here's an example of one that can (me). I've told this story to many people over the years.

Second grade and some kid asked me what so-and-so's secret was. I said "If I told you their secret how could you trust me with your secret?". You should have seen the expression on their face as the wheels turned in their head. lol

So some kids can keep them, but I've never been considered your average person, even as a child, and now as an adult. But I'm going to guess it's rare for most kids to NOT tell a secret. JMO

I was the same way as a kid, and still as an adult. I have had someone be very shocked that I actually kept their secret. So I gathered from that experience that its unusual for people to be able to keep secrets. Just human nature, I imagine.

 

[AddyFinch]

Now might be a good time to run cadaver dogs through the search areas with the temperatures rising due to the start of summer it might be the last throw of that particular dice that's needed to find them if they did indeed wander into the forest

Not to sound callous, but it would be good training, especially for college, or want to be SAR people. Flood that bush and logging fields with energetic teens well monitored of course. They could use it for their volunteer hours they need for high school.

 

[OneLove]

...eventually someone will talk, and the truth will come out.
I find it difficult to believe that either of those immature parents killed them, but stranger things have happened. But now is the time to fess up and do right by those kids. If alive, they are suffering at the hands of a psycho or idiots.
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Its entirely possible, likely even, that neither parent killed them *intentionally*. But if the kids accidentally got into drugs not intended for them OR if they were given a drug to make them sleep deeper or longer for the parents' convenience, they could have died from an accidental overdose. I have followed cases where daycares gave young kids benadryl to induce naps and kids accidentally died as a result. It depresses respiratory and cardiiac function. And the same dose that didn't kill one day can kill another day due to variable factors.

This lack of valid info is frustrating, and the loss of interest is rapidly approaching. Bottom line, DM & MBM do not matter, those two kids do. If this is a hoax orchestrated by parents/family/friends, I hope the LE/courts throw the book at them, and demand restitution for the countless amounts of money spent in trying to find them. And if the parents murdered them... well, they will rot in hell, but eventually someone will talk, and the truth will come out.
I find it difficult to believe that either of those immature parents killed them, but stranger things have happened. But now is the time to fess up and do right by those kids. If alive, they are suffering at the hands of a psycho or idiots.
If this was a preplanned hand off, they botched it. If it was murder.... well DM you figure it out. As to the family leaking and talking to grifting podcast you tube and tic Tok.... you show the lack of education you have.

 

[TMich6811]

Its entirely possible, likely even, that neither parent killed them *intentionally*. But if the kids accidentally got into drugs not intended for them OR if they were given a drug to make them sleep deeper or longer for the parents' convenience, they could have died from an accidental overdose. I have followed cases where daycares gave young kids benadryl to induce naps and kids accidentally died as a result. It depresses respiratory and cardiiac function. And the same dose that didn't kill one day can kill another day due to variable factors.

Yep. This. I agree. Benadryl is super popular to get kids to sleep and if they were sick would have been more helpful. Or drugs like you said. Or one had something happen and the other witnessed

 

[su5ie]

Daniel said something in one the early interviews about himself and Maleyha wanting Meadow to sleep as much as we can when explaining why the kids were told to be quiet and why Maleyha was sleeping with the baby

I can't find it but prehaps posters may remember, I'm sure the interview is in thread 1 .

So giving something like benadryl could be a possibility.

Imo I don't think the parents accidentally killed two kids at the same time or any other way tbh .

I could see the relationship not being strong and prehaps too much emphasis on the importance of meadows routine and maybe a bit jealous making the kids feel like they were an inconvenience or at fault for the unhappy home and maybe taking off in a huff .

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I'm starting to believe the kids just weren't found in the searches which is quite common. And generally an unfortunate member of the public comes across the remains adding further trauma.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the only explanation. I think what's confusing is the fact Daniel is being so cryptic, LE being so secretive and Maleyha being ,well Maleyha what can I say strange? ,broken? , unnatural reaction .?
Women who tend to not comform to the ideal of what women should do in these circumstances tend to be vilified . Is it deserved ? only time will tell . And I genuinely hope she is and both of them are telling the truth because if not they have certainly pulled the wool over my eyes .

 

[Slebby]

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I have great faith in cadaver dogs, and in this case, I wish it was feasible to use them. But there is just so much area to search.
For example, what if the children wandered to the road? Better send the dogs out, in both directions on the road. How far each way? How far into the brush on either side of the road do handlers take the dogs?
What if they were taken in a vehicle? Where might handlers predict a body dump might have taken place?
What if they went into the woods, where do you take your cadaver dogs to start sniffing for decomp? If I recall correctly, the search area was about 5 square km. How long would this take for, say, 1 or 2 handlers, with 1 or 2 dogs?
Unfortunately, as you say, DMB, they need some kind of info to go on. Sad but true.

IMHO

Edit to add: apparently there were only about 12 cadaver search dogs across Canada at the time of this article from 2023 -

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/missing-search-human-remains-cadaver-dogs-pennfield-rcmp-paul-doughty-amanda-saia-1.6876927#:~:text=12%20RCMP%20human%20remains%20dogs,training%20in%20August%2C%20she%20said.

“The RCMP has 12 human remains detection dogs "strategically located in divisions across Canada," said national RCMP spokesperson Amanda Perry. Four additional teams will begin training in August, she said.”

 

[ttjo]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> I have great faith in cadaver dogs, and in this case, I wish it was feasible to use them. But there is just so much area to search.
For example, what if the children wandered to the road? Better send the dogs out, in both directions on the road. How far each way? How far into the brush on either side of the road do handlers take the dogs?
What if they were taken in a vehicle? Where might handlers predict a body dump might have taken place?
What if they went into the woods, where do you take your cadaver dogs to start sniffing for decomp? If I recall correctly, the search area was about 5 square km. How long would this take for, say, 1 or 2 handlers, with 1 or 2 dogs?
Unfortunately, as you say, DMB, they need some kind of info to go on. Sad but true.

IMHO

Edit to add: apparently there were only about 12 cadaver search dogs across Canada at the time of this article from 2023 -

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/missing-search-human-remains-cadaver-dogs-pennfield-rcmp-paul-doughty-amanda-saia-1.6876927#:~:text=12%20RCMP%20human%20remains%20dogs,training%20in%20August%2C%20she%20said.

“The RCMP has 12 human remains detection dogs "strategically located in divisions across Canada," said national RCMP spokesperson Amanda Perry. Four additional teams will begin training in August, she said.”

I know, where do you even start, allegedly their scent ended at the driveway. so where do you go from there?

 

[Absoluterubbish]

I know, where do you even start, allegedly their scent ended at the driveway. so where do you go from there?

What I find interesting is if the dog scent went to the end of the driveway why were all searches done in the woods at the back of the house. Completely different direction. Is there a link that confirms the dog scent. I’ve read it lots of times but not sure I’ve seen a link

 

[ttjo]

What I find interesting is if the dog scent went to the end of the driveway why were all searches done in the woods at the back of the house. Completely different direction. Is there a link that confirms the dog scent. I’ve read it lots of times but not sure I’ve seen a link

Oh I dont even know, I too, have heard it a millon times, but to find a good source to confirm, would take me hours to find. and Im not sure where I even heard that. news? Daniel?
but youre right. why search the woods if the scent ended at the driveway? did they just go by their word? maybe if MB< and Daniel said thats where they went, scent or not, theyll search anyway because it sounded logical? Maybe they started searching the woods before the dogs even got there.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

Oh I dont even know, I too, have heard it a millon times, but to find a good source to confirm, would take me hours to find. and Im not sure where I even heard that. news? Daniel?
but youre right. why search the woods if the scent ended at the driveway? did they just go by their word? maybe if MB< and Daniel said thats where they went, scent or not, theyll search anyway because it sounded logical? Maybe they started searching the woods before the dogs even got there.

Agree. Would love someone to show a link for the dog scent. It seems very counter productive to spend a week searching the woods in the opposite direction if dog scent was to the end of the drive. Can’t even say from the day before etc going to the bus given they hadn’t been at school for a few days

 

[ttjo]

Agree. Would love someone to show a link for the dog scent. It seems very counter productive to spend a week searching the woods in the opposite direction if dog scent was to the end of the drive. Can’t even say from the day before etc going to the bus given they hadn’t been at school for a few days

and I also dont know where on the driveway it stopped.They also live there so their scent would be everywhere. .
Anyway, Ill look for something to confrm , Im going to watch that behavioral panel now, and then Ill look for something to confirm the dog scent.

 

[ttjo]

What I find interesting is if the dog scent went to the end of the driveway why were all searches done in the woods at the back of the house. Completely different direction. Is there a link that confirms the dog scent. I’ve read it lots of times but not sure I’ve seen a link

Another interesting tidbit according to the grandma, belynda who stated on a show tonight that she had no problem leavng her son, so she doesnt understand why she would have been scared to leave Daniel. she also knows the dynamic of both relationships. irs hard not to believe her she seems like such a nice person, very humble and genuine, and she still speaks highly of MBM.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

I have 4 young children and even if 1 was missing my world would be crushed. What on earth has happened to these children

 

[su5ie]

Where? They need some kind of satellite, cell phone or car data to tell them where to look. They had many hours to dispose of bodies, they could be anywhere in the province, and then there's the ocean.

The working theory from RCMP is they are missing after wandering into the forest, no other information has been put out as fact in the media . Everything else is speculation at this stage .

I'm aware multiple agencies are working on this case as was reported but there is no poi and they have stated there is no evidence of an abduction or murder yet .

So if the current hypothesis from LE is lilly and jack got lost within the forest . Why not run the dogs through the 8km radius of the search area . As the searcher with 20 years experience stated fellow searchers were within finger touching distance but yet we're not visible to each other so how would they inspect every minut crevice for two very small children who may have huddled together in an area so dense that an adult cannot see into let alone crawl into .And that's were I feel the cadaver dogs could be the jigsaw piece that's needed to find them


If people believe alternative theories as to why the kids are missing ,well I can understand them feeling the above is a waste of time and resources but IMHO most missing peoples remains that are fortunately found are within 2km radius of the last place seen and more often than I like to think ,searchers miss coming across / finding the remains by inches and are found by a member of the public or their dog or years later when LE decide to open a cold case and do what they imo should have done in the first place

If the dogs aren't successful, no harm no foul . Money at the end of the day I've stated if it's a problem ,I would be willing to donate to a crowd sourced fund . Even if it was done in a private capacity from an expierenced handler

And I'm 100% positive if it were anyone's child on here missing they would want the opportunity to see if the cadaver dogs were successful.

I just want to add for clarity and fairness prehaps a missing persons case has to be upgraded to a suspected homicide before the budget will be made available to use a cadaver dog

All MOO ,IMO and JMHO

 

[seasideForest]

Agree. Would love someone to show a link for the dog scent. It seems very counter productive to spend a week searching the woods in the opposite direction if dog scent was to the end of the drive. Can’t even say from the day before etc going to the bus given they hadn’t been at school for a few days

Counterproductive!? Really!? Can you imagine the hulla-bulloo if SAR hadn't searched the woods?? The last time they'd been at school was the Tuesday. Somebody with better knowledge of tracking dogs than I have could check if that scent would still be around on the Friday. I'm sure there's a link for the dog scent somewhere on here, or maybe it's in the Media Only/No Discussion thread.