CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[ttjo]

I haven't seen any new information/new angle so I'm not sure what you mean?

nothing on MSM so that's why I didn't even say what the different angles are, it's coming from people, " alleged insiders" who may or may not be credible. It's whether or not you want to consider anything else besides what the police have said. Which is what? No evidence of abduction, they dont believe they're in the woods, what else? So, where does that leave this case?
There are alleged insiders who have suggested everything from family involvement to the presence of substances (which was denied before) and Im not even going to get into all the rumours or suggestions from people, because I know that's all they are at this point, and I don't need anyone to point that out to me, but those are the angles.
What bothers me is that it's been 9 weeks now, I sure hope these people have given this info to the police and not just on YouTube and TikTok.
9 weeks, 2 major searches, people put at risk, and we get radio silence from the police and a bunch of people disclosing tips now?,
I just sure hope they haven't waited this long to talk.
I get it, the Canadian police don't say anything, don't want to jeopardize their case, they won't even say if any evidence points in any direction?

 

[justice2962]

I’m curious, I’ve heard the radio chatter a few times regarding the 911 call. The time was approximately 8:00am but all other media and LE say the call came in at 10:00am. Would LE purposely lie about this for any reason? This has me confused

 

[ttjo]

I’m curious, I’ve heard the radio chatter a few times regarding the 911 call. The time was approximately 8:00am but all other media and LE say the call came in at 10:00am. Would LE purposely lie about this for any reason? This has me confused

All I know about that is: the 911 call came in around (10 ?) and on the searchers dispatch they asked what time the kids were last seen or what time theyve been missing since and someone responded 0800 hours. I think we have a clip in here of what the dispatch said, I will try to find it, I think its in the 4th thread.

 

[ttjo]

sorry I cant link the post, but its in the 4th thread.
This explains it well, what time the 911 call came in and what time the children were " noticed" being gone.
The mom and stepdad were sleeping, allegedly so it must be an approximate time?

 

[justice2962]

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sorry I cant link the post, but its in the 4th thread.
This explains it well, what time the 911 call came in and what time the children were " noticed" being gone.
The mom and stepdad were sleeping, allegedly so it must be an approximate time?

Thank you very much

 

[ilovepierre]

Because the children were deemed to be behind their peers in school I had surmised that prehaps telling the time was something the kids may not have grasped yet . Autistic children can sometimes find it difficult comprehending time too

Oh I know. I’m autistic and couldn’t read analog clocks until I was 12. Digital clocks I had no problems with-I may not have had a grasp of what the time meant, but I was still able to read the numbers.

 

[10ofRods]

nothing on MSM so that's why I didn't even say what the different angles are, it's coming from people, " alleged insiders" who may or may not be credible. It's whether or not you want to consider anything else besides what the police have said. Which is what? No evidence of abduction, they dont believe they're in the woods, what else? So, where does that leave this case?
There are alleged insiders who have suggested everything from family involvement to the presence of substances (which was denied before) and Im not even going to get into all the rumours or suggestions from people, because I know that's all they are at this point, and I don't need anyone to point that out to me, but those are the angles.
What bothers me is that it's been 9 weeks now, I sure hope these people have given this info to the police and not just on YouTube and TikTok.
9 weeks, 2 major searches, people put at risk, and we get radio silence from the police and a bunch of people disclosing tips now?,
I just sure hope they haven't waited this long to talk.
I get it, the Canadian police don't say anything, don't want to jeopardize their case, they won't even say if any evidence points in any direction?

Sounds like hallmark signs that a criminal investigation is well under way. You're right? Police have said no signs of abduction. They believe they've thoroughly searched the woods.

What else could there be? "Substances" by themselves have to have a human pathway to be involved. People are allowed to speculate and make "suggestions," and of course, the police are doing the same. I don't regard these speculations as "suggestions," but more like "possible deductions." Sometimes, someone can come up with a scenario that LE have not thought of.

I think only the people responsible for the children's disappearance know exactly what happened. I do not know why LE think there was no stranger abduction, but they have the evidence that's available and I don't.

 

[Gut_feeling]

I'm not saying I'm factually justified in feeling this way, but, as more time has gone by, I feel more strongly that these kids were "disappeared" somehow because the heat of a CPS investigation was just "too much", and one parent or both parents did not want it to get to the point where the 18 month old was taken from them. Neglect and abuse usually require isolation, right? I feel that, due to Jack and Lilly now being in school, it was becoming impossible to hide what was happening at home. I feel that things were falling apart, and one or both parents were panicking. I feel one or both parents came up with a "solution", and that solution was "We will/I will make it look like the kids were abducted. We will/I will make sure they are never found and it will just be an awful tragedy and we can start our life over without prying eyes once the story dies down." I wish I at least felt that the "disappearing" was accomplished via giving the children away under the guise of giving them a better life, but I just don't see that happening.

 

[notmyshoephone]

She may have been able to read a digital clock, IMO.

Because the children were deemed to be behind their peers in school I had surmised that prehaps telling the time was something the kids may not have grasped yet . Autistic children can sometimes find it difficult comprehending time too

I taught autistic students and we first teach reading the numbers on a digital clock and then teach matching the numbers to the time of an event on their daily schedule. So, if the bus came at 7:00 AM, I would teach them to match 700 written on a card or paper to the 7:00 showing on a clock.

This is only to say that them seeing the numbers on a digital clock may have been a cue for them to get their things and go outside for the bus. The bus may not have appeared due to the earlier notification that the kids would not be at school. From there, who knows whether they were picked up by someone or decided to go on an adventure. moo

 

[ttjo]

Sounds like hallmark signs that a criminal investigation is well under way. You're right? Police have said no signs of abduction. They believe they've thoroughly searched the woods.

What else could there be? "Substances" by themselves have to have a human pathway to be involved. People are allowed to speculate and make "suggestions," and of course, the police are doing the same. I don't regard these speculations as "suggestions," but more like "possible deductions." Sometimes, someone can come up with a scenario that LE have not thought of.

I agree, there are people speculating, suggesting and deducing, and some of the people talking seem believable ( to me) and what they say makes sense but if its not in MSM can we talk about it?

for example,its alleged that MBM told police day 2 that she was never happier or felt safer than with Daniel, then she leaves, changes her Facebook status, and cuts off contact with Daniel.
What are you supposed to deduce from that?
All of that info is from sources that are not L/E so 'Id like to ask , why would she do that? and hear everyones input, but none of that is confirmed by law enforcement.

 

[10ofRods]

I agree, there are people speculating, suggesting and deducing, and some of the people talking seem believable ( to me) and what they say makes sense but if its not in MSM can we talk about it?

for example,its alleged that MBM told police day 2 that she was never happier or felt safer than with Daniel, then she leaves, changes her Facebook status, and cuts off contact with Daniel.
What are you supposed to deduce from that?
All of that info is from sources that are not L/E so 'Id like to ask , why would she do that? and hear everyones input, but none of that is confirmed by law enforcement.

Nope, we can't talk about it here. We can talk about it private conversations here on WS, though.

We are allowed to discuss FB, I think, but not of people who are not suspects. If there's an official search page for this case on FB, we can discuss that.

 

[ttjo]

Nope, we can't talk about it here. We can talk about it private conversations here on WS, though.

We are allowed to discuss FB, I think, but not of people who are not suspects. If there's an official search page for this case on FB, we can discuss that.

yes and that's what's frustrating because the police arent saying anything and all other info coming out is people speaking to other shows, and you cant confirm the information so we are kind of at a standstill.
I also feel like right now, I care less about who did it as much as I care about what happened to the kids and where are they? I can wait for the who. I'd like to know the police have leads and are actively pursuing because there are kids missing, and no info can sometimes feel like its not moving.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Nope, we can't talk about it here. We can talk about it private conversations here on WS, though.

We are allowed to discuss FB, I think, but not of people who are not suspects. If there's an official search page for this case on FB, we can discuss that.

No one in this case has been named a suspect or POI.

 

[ttjo]

another version of my question, if anyone feels like answering. Hypothetically, assuming someone is able to freely walk out the door with her 2 chlldren why would they plan/stage an abduction?
Im not asking for people to tell me it doesnt make sense , ( cause I know that) Im asking for people to think of reasons why someone would do that? What would be the gain? to get something they do want or avoid something they dont want?

 

[teeby]

another version of my question, if anyone feels like answering. Hypothetically, assuming someone is able to freely walk out the door with her 2 chlldren why would they plan/stage an abduction?
Im not asking for people to tell me it doesnt make sense , ( cause I know that) Im asking for people to think of reasons why someone would do that? What would be the gain? to get something they do want or avoid something they dont want?

This is a stumbling block to me with the staged abduction theory too. I guess if you wanted to stop co-parenting with someone, having all the mutual children disappear could be a way to achieve that? That's the only thing I can think of.

 

[ttjo]

This is a stumbling block to me with the staged abduction theory too. I guess if you wanted to stop co-parenting with someone, having all the mutual children disappear could be a way to achieve that? That's the only thing I can think of.

I am thinking along the same lines, maybe not wanting to co-parent the baby? cause she could leave with Jack and Lily but he'd technicaly have rights to the baby. Now throw in cps involvemernt and not really knowing why or what that was about?

 

[Traymar]

I can't imagine that the kids left thinking they were going to catch the bus (or walk) to school with Jack wearing only a pull-up. That doesn't make sense to me. They are old enough (and Lily is certainly old enough) to recognize that one must be dressed to go to school. MOO

 

[teeby]

I am thinking along the same lines, maybe not wanting to co-parent the baby? cause she could leave with Jack and Lily but he'd technicaly have rights to the baby. Now throw in cps involvemernt and not really knowing why or what that was about?

Well I feel like that doesn't make sense in this situation. It seems to me if you want to stop co-parenting with DM, you would need to have the baby kidnapped. Then DM has no claim on any of your remaining kids, so you can disappear and then secretly get the baby back from wherever you stashed her. So as a theory for this particular case, it doesn't make sense to me, since from what I gather Lilly and Jack's dad isn't really in the picture anyway. At least I haven't heard anything about him.

 

[ttjo]

I can't imagine that the kids left thinking they were going to catch the bus (or walk) to school with Jack wearing only a pull-up. That doesn't make sense to me. They are old enough (and Lily is certainly old enough) to recognize that one must be dressed to go to school. MOO

and I bet they have never walked to the bus stop alone ( on the hwy) one time in their life.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Well I’m off to Alaska, but just wanted to add a final thought…this might sound cold and callous, but is there a possibility everyone has been played?

I now think it's probably that at least one person knows what happened and is pretending they don't, but there were enough people around (with two homes on the property plus the potential for visitors or passers-by) that we can only speculate whom.
Do you have a theory?