CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[Bigditch]

This is actually quite a good train of thought . Turning the tables .

Daniel states in a number of media interviews, " I did everything for those kids " " They came to me if they needed anything " Now to a psychologist if his statement is true that is heard as mum is not available, children have learnt that their request for help is ignored and they find someone other than the main care giver to meet their needs .

Cps involvement : when a report is made by the school , it is the bio parent that is called to answer questions. Only after speaking with mum ( as she has sole custody) would others if suspected of neglect or abuse be reported and a case made to LE . A mother's boyfriend is not considered a guardian so the intial contact would not require him to be present. At least that would be the protocol in ireland .

If I live with a boyfriend regardless if we share a child , in the case of any step children only the biological parent would speak to authorities on their behalf . Letters from school are addressed to me .

So what if mum was the subject of the cps report and DM came out of it unscathed and mum wanting to place or aportion blame on DM you turn the tables to make him look like the bad guy ie not watching the kids after saying he would while you had a much needed sleep , exhausted from being awake all night with sick kids for example

All speculation and moo , I know neither are poi and it is a hypothetical scenario. It is not victim blaming it is me trying to think of a possible scenario that would cause me to fake a disappearance on the back of a cps visit

I thought DM said, "I'm the one who is out here doing everything, fighting for those kids."

 

[MistyWaters]

I thought DM said, "I'm the one who is out here doing everything, fighting for those kids."

I think we need the exact quote. I agree with you, I thought he said that in the context of trying to find the children.

 

[su5ie]

I've been skimming back over some of the reporting on this case, and there are a few things that, IMO, it's surprising we haven't heard more about (someone please correct me if any of these things have been clarified and I missed it):

1) A more detailed description of what the kids were wearing that morning, or at the very least what they were wearing the night before/whenever the parents last saw them.

2) What Lilly might've had in her backpack (especially the supposed blanket - if she did have a blanket with her and at least one piece of it came off, surely it would be useful for the public to know what it looks like in case they find any more?)

3) Had the kids had anything to eat or drink that morning? IIRC neither parent mentioned anything about getting breakfast for them, so either they hadn't had anything (which would probably reduce how far they'd be able to walk), or they got it themselves (which raises questions about whether they were used to being left to their own devices in the morning).

4) What was the kids' relationship with each other like? E.g. did they generally get on? Was Lilly protective of Jack? Was Jack the kind of younger sibling who'd always follow his big sister if she wandered off somewhere?

5) Maybe this wouldn't have produced anything relevant, but I'm a little surprised none of the journalists who've interviewed DM have (AFAIK) asked him much about what the day before was like, particularly why they decided to keep both kids home on the Friday when they were well enough to go shopping the day before (sidenote - maybe I'm way off-base here, but I can't help wondering if the trip to New Glasgow was done deliberately to ensure that there were confirmed sightings of the kids on that day. That's total speculation with no evidence, though, of course)

I'm of the same opinion as yourself, why hasn't there been a more detailed description of what the kids were wearing with pictures of replicas alongside missing poster . I do feel a possible itinerary of what the back contained might be helpful too , I would not have thought of that myself. But it might make the public more alert to discarded items in the area and if any match a description. .

Another thing I really want to find out about is Was the sliding door always left unlocked during the night and if not did someone unlock it that morning after 6am ,prehaps to have a cigarette and going back yo bed afterwards , maybe this is why MBM blames DM and if it was never locked have the kids ever gone out to the yard while parents had a lie in .As I'm sure this morning was not a morning of firsts . 1st time off school sick , 1st time parents have lie in , 1st time unsupervised in morning, 1st time kids sneak out to garden and 1st time going outside safety perimeter and end up getting lost . Although stars can align its very rare

 

[su5ie]

I think we need the exact quote. I agree with you, I thought he said that in the context of trying to find the children.

Yes , it was in the context imo of him the only one out appealing and searching for kids but with not much to talk about we have descended into analysing what has been said

 

[Serononin]

I'm of the same opinion as yourself, why hasn't there been a more detailed description of what the kids were wearing with pictures of replicas alongside missing poster . I do feel a possible itinerary of what the back contained might be helpful too , I would not have thought of that myself. But it might make the public more alert to discarded items in the area and if any match a description. .

Another thing I really want to find out about is Was the sliding door always left unlocked during the night and if not did someone unlock it that morning after 6am ,prehaps to have a cigarette and going back yo bed afterwards , maybe this is why MBM blames DM and if it was never locked have the kids ever gone out to the yard while parents had a lie in .As I'm sure this morning was not a morning of firsts . 1st time off school sick , 1st time parents have lie in , 1st time unsupervised in morning, 1st time kids sneak out to garden and 1st time going outside safety perimeter and end up getting lost . Although stars can align its very rare

I wondered about the door being unlocked, too! I wonder if the kids were able to unlock it by themselves

 

[su5ie]

I've been skimming back over some of the reporting on this case, and there are a few things that, IMO, it's surprising we haven't heard more about (someone please correct me if any of these things have been clarified and I missed it):

1) A more detailed description of what the kids were wearing that morning, or at the very least what they were wearing the night before/whenever the parents last saw them.

2) What Lilly might've had in her backpack (especially the supposed blanket - if she did have a blanket with her and at least one piece of it came off, surely it would be useful for the public to know what it looks like in case they find any more?)

3) Had the kids had anything to eat or drink that morning? IIRC neither parent mentioned anything about getting breakfast for them, so either they hadn't had anything (which would probably reduce how far they'd be able to walk), or they got it themselves (which raises questions about whether they were used to being left to their own devices in the morning).

4) What was the kids' relationship with each other like? E.g. did they generally get on? Was Lilly protective of Jack? Was Jack the kind of younger sibling who'd always follow his big sister if she wandered off somewhere?

5) Maybe this wouldn't have produced anything relevant, but I'm a little surprised none of the journalists who've interviewed DM have (AFAIK) asked him much about what the day before was like, particularly why they decided to keep both kids home on the Friday when they were well enough to go shopping the day before (sidenote - maybe I'm way off-base here, but I can't help wondering if the trip to New Glasgow was done deliberately to ensure that there were confirmed sightings of the kids on that day. That's total speculation with no evidence, though, of course)

I'm surprised DM didn't expand or wasn't probed further by the journalist about his statement saying " we could hear jack in the kitchen " Hear what exactly, rummaging through food presses , screaming for breakfast, moving a chair to sit at table to put on Wellington boots?? What did they hear ?

 

[su5ie]

I wondered about the door being unlocked, too! I wonder if the kids were able to unlock it by themselves

I can see a parent getting up upon waking to go toliet and prehaps going outside to have a cigarette ( if a no smoking in the home was a rule ) or letting a cat or dog out to go toliet and not locking a back door afterward . I can also see this being a source of blaming the parent who might have forgotten and then for the children going missing through this route

You didn't lock the door so you are the reason they got out and it's your fault they are gone missing.

It's not known if DM or MBM smoked but as I said even to allow a pet outside

 

[CityKid]

Well I’m off to Alaska, but just wanted to add a final thought…this might sound cold and callous, but is there a possibility everyone has been played?

Like they were handed off to someone?

 

[Traymar]

I've been skimming back over some of the reporting on this case, and there are a few things that, IMO, it's surprising we haven't heard more about (someone please correct me if any of these things have been clarified and I missed it):

1) A more detailed description of what the kids were wearing that morning, or at the very least what they were wearing the night before/whenever the parents last saw them.

2) What Lilly might've had in her backpack (especially the supposed blanket - if she did have a blanket with her and at least one piece of it came off, surely it would be useful for the public to know what it looks like in case they find any more?)

3) Had the kids had anything to eat or drink that morning? IIRC neither parent mentioned anything about getting breakfast for them, so either they hadn't had anything (which would probably reduce how far they'd be able to walk), or they got it themselves (which raises questions about whether they were used to being left to their own devices in the morning).

4) What was the kids' relationship with each other like? E.g. did they generally get on? Was Lilly protective of Jack? Was Jack the kind of younger sibling who'd always follow his big sister if she wandered off somewhere?

5) Maybe this wouldn't have produced anything relevant, but I'm a little surprised none of the journalists who've interviewed DM have (AFAIK) asked him much about what the day before was like, particularly why they decided to keep both kids home on the Friday when they were well enough to go shopping the day before (sidenote - maybe I'm way off-base here, but I can't help wondering if the trip to New Glasgow was done deliberately to ensure that there were confirmed sightings of the kids on that day. That's total speculation with no evidence, though, of course)

These are great questions, and I have wondered, in particular, about 2 and 4:

2- Did Lily take her backpack with her even when she was just playing outside, or was it strictly for school and trips to town or to the store, etc.? To me, this matters as to her intentions that morning. Was she just playing in the yard with her backpack? Or was she planning to go somewhere?

And did her backpack usually have schoolwork and school supplies in it, or did she carry stuffies and her blanket, etc.? If it had schoolwork in it, did she take those out and replace them with snacks, etc. to run away or go on an adventure?

And regarding the blanket, how did a piece of the blanket fall off? Was it already worn and in tatters? Did the piece come off as a result of great wear and tear, or did it seem to be ripped by a branch or person? Or was it cut with scissors?

Also, did Jack have a backpack or any little bag or case that he carried with him at all? One of my sons had a little case that he always carried when he thought he was going somewhere when he was about Jack's age. It held a collection of his favorite little toys and items at that time.

4- I do think it's important to know their relationship. If they planned to leave together - even to explore the woods, etc., would Lily have helped him prepare to go out? It did they behave more like peers? Could he have wandered off and she went after him and they both became lost? It she left, told him to stay, but he followed her anyway and they both became lost?

Also, were the kids known to always wear their boots, even when just playing in the back yard? Or did they only put them on when made to, in order to go somewhere?

Lastly, I do think it would have been somewhat (or rather) dark in those woods at that time of morning. It would be nice to see exactly how dark. Many kids are adventurous, but usually not in the dark at that age. Unless it wasn't dark or unless they were comfortable back there from going back there with parents at other times. MOO

 

[Tilly23]

Sunrise and Sunset times for May 2025 for New Glasgow, Nova Scotia are at this link:

Sunrise and sunset times in New Glasgow, May 2025

Calculations of sunrise and sunset in New Glasgow – Nova Scotia – Canada for May 2025. Generic astronomy calculator to calculate times for sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset for many cities, with daylight saving time and time zones taken in account.

www.timeanddate.com

New Glasgow is very nearby Lansdowne Station and the times should be accurate within a couple of minutes.

A screenshot showing the excerpt for May 1 through 3 is attached.

The night of May 1, when DM said he was working on the fence, sunset was at 8:17 pm.
The morning of May 2, when the kids disappeared, sunrise was at 5:56 am.

 

[justice2962]

Edited to delete irrelevant post

I've been skimming back over some of the reporting on this case, and there are a few things that, IMO, it's surprising we haven't heard more about (someone please correct me if any of these things have been clarified and I missed it):

1) A more detailed description of what the kids were wearing that morning, or at the very least what they were wearing the night before/whenever the parents last saw them.

Here’s a different description of what the kids were wearing

N.S. missing kids: Province offers $150K reward in search for Lilly and Jack | Globalnews.ca

Their disappearance has been added to the province's Major Unsolved Crimes Program, which the province says is a 'tool to help police in major unsolved crime cases.'

globalnews.ca

It’s believed Lilly, who is four-feet-tall and about 60 pounds, was wearing a pink Barbie top and pink rubber boots with a rainbow at the time of her disappearance. She was also carrying a backpack with a strawberry print.


Jack is described as being three-feet-six and 40 pounds, and was wearing a pull-up diaper, black Under Armour jogging pants and blue rubber boots with a dinosaur print.

 

[su5ie]

Edited to delete irrelevant post

Here’s a different description of what the kids were wearing

N.S. missing kids: Province offers $150K reward in search for Lilly and Jack | Globalnews.ca

Their disappearance has been added to the province's Major Unsolved Crimes Program, which the province says is a 'tool to help police in major unsolved crime cases.'

globalnews.ca

It’s believed Lilly, who is four-feet-tall and about 60 pounds, was wearing a pink Barbie top and pink rubber boots with a rainbow at the time of her disappearance. She was also carrying a backpack with a strawberry print.


Jack is described as being three-feet-six and 40 pounds, and was wearing a pull-up diaper, black Under Armour jogging pants and blue rubber boots with a dinosaur print.

So from the above description jack would have been naked from the waist up . Grant it small kids will generally not " feel the cold " the same way an adult would but on a cold morning in Canada would he want to venture so far into the woods as to get lost while wearing very little ? I'm also assuming lilly would know you don't go to school half naked so does that rule out that possibility?
It also doesn't say what leggings lilly was wearing. How do these parents not know what exact items of clothing are missing , this part really bugs me ,how m7ch clothes would a kid own to not be able to at least deduce from what's left

I've actually never come across a case with no foul play were the parents are so lackadaisical in appealing and description


I'm surprised the cadaver dogs haven't been let lose yet to see if they can catch the scent of decomposition.

If searchers are certain the kids wandered into the woods and got lost surely they would know they would be dead in those same woods by now . So what's holding LE back from doing the above . Maybe they know something we don't

 

[su5ie]

I'm actually getting quite frustrated with the seemingly lack of vigor and enthusiasm from the parents in finding the kids . And I'm starting to think there is more to the wall of silence then just following advice from LE .

It like , is it too much of an effort to put yourself forward and do an appeal.

I understand mental health and all the other blah blah blah but when the public see a seemingly lack of interest by the caregivers. The public move on and lilly and jack slip from public consciousness and the kids have no voice fighting for their case to be solved imo

I don't know maybe I've gotten used to having to be an advocate and a have a loud enough voice to be heard to get my child places on waiting lists for therapies that I expect other people to have the same attitude as me .

I can definitely see this becoming a cold case and prehaps enough time will have lapsed to make a cause of death hard to determine. Maybe that is what people want and that is the motivation for not speaking up and out . I'm just annoyed

 

[musicaljoke]

So that would give a 2 hour window between noticing the children gone and calling LE . Well that has given me food for thought

I haven't been able to find any other or additional confirmation that the kids were missing since 8:00. This is contrary to the mom saying that she called 911 right away. So I am not convinced that the parents waited two hours to call 911.

 

[su5ie]

I haven't been able to find any other or additional confirmation that the kids were missing since 8:00. This is contrary to the mom saying that she called 911 right away. So I am not convinced that the parents waited two hours to call 911.

Prehaps they didn't but the post indicating that they were noticed missing somewhere around 8am is all we have to go on .

I do feel a lot of things were said that morning to save ones own skin moho

 

[musicaljoke]

I'm surprised the cadaver dogs haven't been let lose yet to see if they can catch the scent of decomposition.

If searchers are certain the kids wandered into the woods and got lost surely they would know they would be dead in those same woods by now . So what's holding LE back from doing the above . Maybe they know something we don't

In a normal forest, I'm sure that cadaver dogs and their trainers would have gone into the bush. But this bush is a dangerous mess of fallen trees on top of fallen trees, crevices, mine shafts and other dangers that make it too hazardous to head into when the ground cover is hiding the surface.

I would hope that the bush will be searched again as soon as it is reasonably safe to do so, likely in early spring as soon as the snow is gone and before the undergrowth recovers the forest floor. In the meantime, if the investigation gives some direction for the use of cadaver dogs, I don't doubt that they will be brought in, in spite of the hazards.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/new-details-of-investigation-into-two-missing-n-s-children-revealed-1.7564451

 

[MistyWaters]

In a normal forest, I'm sure that cadaver dogs and their trainers would have gone into the bush. But this bush is a dangerous mess of fallen trees on top of fallen trees, crevices, mine shafts and other dangers that make it too hazardous to head into when the ground cover is hiding the surface.

I would hope that the bush will be searched again as soon as it is reasonably safe to do so, likely in early spring as soon as the snow is gone and before the undergrowth recovers the forest floor. In the meantime, if the investigation gives some direction for the use of cadaver dogs, I don't doubt that they will be brought in, in spite of the hazards.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/new-details-of-investigation-into-two-missing-n-s-children-revealed-1.7564451

I don’t know that any of are experts on the process by which cadaver dogs detect human remains. I have an image in my mind that they must be led to the location and then they’ll signal if the smell of death is there. But in dense wildnerness would they have to be walked through the entire area? I would think that would take many weeks and weeks of exhaustive energy. That doesn’t seem reasonable unless the RCMP can determine with a high likelihood the bodies might be discovered in one specific area.
JMO

 

[Bigditch]

Lilly apparently was wearing a pink shirt (or pink tee shirt) pink pants and pink boots. According to the initial reporting in the 1st thread on May 3, 2025.

 

[su5ie]

Don't know if these articles have been posted before but interestingly Dylans case didnt qualify for a reward offer like lilly and Jack's and why you may ask because in Dylan case no foul play was suspected .

The second article is a poem for lilly and jack by a local poet who wrote it due to the amount of speculation and rumour online it is on local pictou county msm so prehaps we can discuss its contents .

Missing Nova Scotia boy Dylan Ehler doesn't meet unsolved crime reward program criteria, police say

Police say the missing boy's disappearance doesn't meet the criteria for the major unsolved crimes program because foul play isn't suspected

www.saltwire.com

Truro poet pens piece for missing Sullivan children: "It's affecting us, big time"

Chad Norman wrote the poem not only thinking about the Sullivan children, he said, but how their dissapearance is affecting Nova Scotians.

www.saltwire.com

 

[su5ie]

ED speaks on Nova Scotia Guard's involvement in search for missing kids

Volunteer group run by government department helped with logistics

www.saltwire.com