CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[MistyWaters]

June 19, 2025

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/new-details-of-investigation-into-two-missing-n-s-children-revealed-1.7564451

RCMP confirmed in a statement that cadaver dogs have not been deployed as part of the investigation.

"Any searches involving the dog will be based on information gathered through the ongoing investigation," the statement said.

 

[MistyWaters]

I haven't been able to find any other or additional confirmation that the kids were missing since 8:00. This is contrary to the mom saying that she called 911 right away. So I am not convinced that the parents waited two hours to call 911.

The timeline certainly is cloudy but we don’t know why. DM estimates it took 20 minutes to notice the children were missing. Both said at one time or another they initially noticed the silence, asked the other one “do you hear_____”, “no”, then both immediately began searching everywhere. None of that jives with a two hour delayed reaction although it’s possible they intentionally narrowed the timeline when telling their story to the media to appear more responsible in the parenting dept.

But then I’d ask why would they fabricate the time the children went missing if they hoped they’d be found? Wouldn’t it be important for the public to be given factual information about the appx time they went missing so if someone saw two children alone somewhere at say, 8:15am they immediately report it? Instead everyone was led to believe Lilly and Jack didn’t go missing until shortly before 10am so how’s that helpful if they were missing earlier?
JMO

 

[BlaiseFinlay]

It's curious to me that we (society) have become so used to "someone from the family" addressing the media that we've actually come to expect it, and question motives if "someone from the family" doesn't step up to a podium somewhere with something to say to us. And then we dissect every word they say to see if we actually believe them or not.

I don't know anything about the mother's family but if they're very private people and tend to guard that privacy fiercely (as many families do) then they'll never speak to the media and don't feel any obligation to appoint a spokesperson for that task. From all I've seen in MSM they are/have been speaking to and being cooperative with LE, and that's what matters most.

Completely agree. Plus, Daniel is speaking out, so it’s not even the case that no one is — that should be enough to keep the case in the news, which I believe is the primary purpose (and this case doesn’t seem to be lacking publicity). It feels exploitative to me to expect to see a crying family member.

It may be the case that the mother believes it would be futile because of non-public information she has, but that’s not something I’ll infer from her silence.

 

[BlaiseFinlay]

Daniel stated he was not allowed reveal the exact location where the children were last seen on cctv in New Glasgow while shopping with family on May the 1st .

What are posters speculations on this location and why is it important to not reveal it .

This struck me as a very odd thing to say. And he announced it like a development. It shouldn’t be news to DM where he was the day before, and it shouldn’t have any relevance to the case under his version of events.

 

[ttjo]

This struck me as a very odd thing to say. And he announced it like a development. It shouldn’t be news to DM where he was the day before, and it shouldn’t have any relevance to the case under his version of events.

Maybe not wanting to disclose the exact store the camera was from, giving the impression that he cares about their safety? or their business?
Cause what difference does it make if he was in front of Wal Mart or Canadian Tire?
Sometimes I find it difficult to determine if people are sincere or if they're seed planters. Maybe he wants people to believe hes trustworthy?

 

[MistyWaters]

Maybe not wanting to disclose the exact store the camera was from, giving the impression that he cares about their safety? or their business?
Cause what difference does it make? if he was in front of Wal Mart or Canadian tire?
Sometimes I find it difficult to determine if people are sincere or if they're seed planters. Maybe he wants people to believe hes trustworthy?

Just guessing, maybe he didn’t say what store it was because the RCMP asked him not to reveal specific information to enable them to weed out false tips considering the $150K reward. For example someone could claim they were walking behind the couple in the parking lot and overheard them hatching a plan to disappear the children.
What parking lot?
Uhm, I’m not sure.
What time did this take place?
Uhm, I’m not sure.
JMO

 

[ttjo]

Just guessing, maybe he didn’t say what store it was because the RCMP asked him not to reveal specific information to enable them to weed out false tips considering the $150K reward. For example someone could claim they were walking behind the couple in the parking lot and overheard them hatching a plan to disappear the children.
What parking lot?
Uhm, I’m not sure.
What time did this take place?
Uhm, I’m not sure.
JMO

Yes and there is that, which is sincere and makes more sense.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes and there is that, which is sincere and makes more sense.

Yes people do not always have genuine intensions. By not filling in the details, it discourages other false allegations such as someone claiming they observed one or both of the children being beaten in the car in an unknown parking lot but didn’t report it at the time because they didn’t want to get involved.

 

[AnnieOakley123]

June 19, 2025

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/new-details-of-investigation-into-two-missing-n-s-children-revealed-1.7564451

RCMP confirmed in a statement that cadaver dogs have not been deployed as part of the investigation.

"Any searches involving the dog will be based on information gathered through the ongoing investigation," the statement said.

To me, this indicates the RCMP do not believe the children were ever in the woods, so they are not wasting resources like cadaver dogs. I trust the RCMP has a theory that they are pursuing, and in all likelihood, it is that the children were handed off to somebody known to either Daniel or Malehya or both. Neither present in interviews as masterminds capable of leaving zero evidence behind, which makes this case extremely challenging.

 

[Ontario Mom]

To me, this indicates the RCMP do not believe the children were ever in the woods, so they are not wasting resources like cadaver dogs. I trust the RCMP has a theory that they are pursuing, and in all likelihood, it is that the children were handed off to somebody known to either Daniel or Malehya or both. Neither present in interviews as masterminds capable of leaving zero evidence behind, which makes this case extremely challenging.

Which to me (neither of them being masterminds at leaving zero evidence behind) makes it even more likely this isn't what actually happened.

When you have multiple agencies that specialize in multiple disciplines & expertise searching for your kids and you're just Mr. & Mrs. Average People who disappeared those kids, they're going to find evidence and you will be named as a suspect and arrested. In theory, of course.

 

[MistyWaters]

To me, this indicates the RCMP do not believe the children were ever in the woods, so they are not wasting resources like cadaver dogs. I trust the RCMP has a theory that they are pursuing, and in all likelihood, it is that the children were handed off to somebody known to either Daniel or Malehya or both. Neither present in interviews as masterminds capable of leaving zero evidence behind, which makes this case extremely challenging.

If something such as this occurred, it’s possible Daniel knows nothing other than the children disappeared. It’s also never been said if Malehya is working with the RCMP because according to Canadian law, she had the right to remain silent. A situation such as this would make this case extremely challenging as well.

I continue to contemplate a possible clash of jurisdiction between Child Welfare and the self-governing nations within Mi’kmaq territory. Recent changes relating to sovereignty of First Nations may be difficult to understand and accept by the general public but specifically for the Sipekne'katik First Nations, it may be considered their rightful responsibility to protect their members. As a sovereign nation, they would not necessarily be obliged to cooperate with the RCMP or Child Welfare.

So purely my speculation but if a power struggle between two distinct entities is at the centre of this missing children investigation, while the children were being safely sheltered by other family members living on the reserve, that’d be a best case scenario IMO.

Native Council of Nova Scotia – NCNS; Native Council of Nova Scotia

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[Ontario Mom]

If something such as this occurred, it’s possible Daniel knows nothing other than the children disappeared. It’s also never been said if Malehya is working with the RCMP because according to Canadian law, she had the right to remain silent. A situation such as this would make this case extremely challenging as well.

I continue to contemplate a possible clash of jurisdiction between Child Welfare and the self-governing nations within Mi’kmaq territory. Recent changes relating to sovereignty of First Nations may be difficult to understand and accept by the general public but specifically for the Sipekne'katik First Nations, it may be considered their rightful responsibility to protect their members. As a sovereign nation, they would not necessarily be obliged to cooperate with the RCMP or Child Welfare.

So purely my speculation but if a power struggle between two distinct entities is at the centre of this missing children investigation, while the children were being safely sheltered by other family members living on the reserve, that’d be a best case scenario IMO.

Native Council of Nova Scotia – NCNS; Native Council of Nova Scotia

NCNS; Native Council of Nova Scotia

www.ncns.ca

Wouldn't basic human decency oblige them to notify RCMP the kids are safe, if in fact they are?

 

[MistyWaters]

Wouldn't basic human decency oblige them to notify RCMP the kids are safe, if in fact they are?

Maybe not if pending interference by Child Welfare was involved.

I don’t get the feeling that family members of the missing children are unduly panicked, this is what seems highly unusual.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Maybe not if pending interference by Child Welfare was involved.

I don’t get the feeling that family members of the missing children are unduly panicked, this is what seems highly unusual.

I've only seen interviews with mom, step-dad & bio grandma, and they all seemed incredibly concerned so I'm not sure how you're getting the opposite feeling.

I do think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest family/band members? would take it so far as to lie to RCMP about the welfare and/or location of the kids. Anyway, I'd certainly like to think it's a line that wouldn't be crossed.

 

[MistyWaters]

I've only seen interviews with mom, step-dad & bio grandma, and they all seemed incredibly concerned so I'm not sure how you're getting the opposite feeling.

I do think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest family/band members? would take it so far as to lie to RCMP about the welfare and/or location of the kids. Anyway, I'd certainly like to think it's a line that wouldn't be crossed.

Lie to the RCMP, how do we know who’s saying what if anything? Where’s that coming from, not the RCMP. As far as I noticed MBM hasn’t said a word lately, neither has her paternal side of the family who are also band members? IMO what we have is silence all around.

 

[tlcya]

I agree, the suggestion, by some online, that the band or some family member helped MBM remove the children from the property and are involved in a hoax is not credible to me. I don't see the band or a family member participating in any such behavior or perpetuating such a lie that the children are missing or were abducted.

 

[Angelcat13]

To me, this indicates the RCMP do not believe the children were ever in the woods, so they are not wasting resources like cadaver dogs. I trust the RCMP has a theory that they are pursuing, and in all likelihood, it is that the children were handed off to somebody known to either Daniel or Malehya or both. Neither present in interviews as masterminds capable of leaving zero evidence behind, which makes this case extremely challenging.

I believe this was mentioned/discussed before but I don't remember the details but is there any evidence that Lily & Jack ever returned home from the outing at the store?

 

[ttjo]

I agree, the suggestion, by some online, that the band or some family member helped MBM remove the children from the property and are involved in a hoax is not credible to me. I don't see the band or a family member participating in any such behavior or perpetuating such a lie that the children are missing or were abducted.

I dont believe the band would do anything like that, Nova Scotia has the Peace and Friendship Treaty ( fundamentally about peaceful coexistence and fostering long-term relationships)
I cant see them hiding anything. That would totally defeat the purpose of everything from the TRC (Truth and Reconcilation Comission)
I think what was important to them about child welfare is ensuring children who were in care were not stripped of their culture. Their programs seem to be more about maintaining their culture, traditions and spirituality and the care was designed around that.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/treaty-day-nova-scotia-mikmaq-peace-and-friendship-treaties-1.5304137

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I haven't been able to find any other or additional confirmation that the kids were missing since 8:00. This is contrary to the mom saying that she called 911 right away. So I am not convinced that the parents waited two hours to call 911.

I’m personally keeping it open as possibly being accurate, especially if that was the police chatter heard on the scanner. We haven’t heard yet if DM’s mother was at home and whether she last saw or heard the children at 8:00 am. She may have heard them and thought they were off to school. Lilly seems to use screaming as a way to communicate (a possible autistic trait), so a block of time between when she was last heard may be very noticeable, imo.

 

[MistyWaters]

I dont believe the band would do anything like that, Nova Scotia has the Peace and Friendship Treaty ( fundamentally about peaceful coexistence and fostering long-term relationships)
I cant see them hiding anything. That would totally defeat the purpose of everything from the TRC (Truth and Reconcilation Comission)
I think what was important to them about child welfare is ensuring children who were in care were not stripped of their culture. Their programs seem to be more about maintaining their culture, traditions and spirituality and the care was designed around that.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/treaty-day-nova-scotia-mikmaq-peace-and-friendship-treaties-1.5304137

I don’t think the band is hiding anything (they comprise of 3000 people) but that’s not to rule out that MBMs paternal relatives might have reason to look out for the best interests of the children. I would think it very much depends on the nature of her families history with the RCMP and Child Welfare and society in general. We don’t know anything of that relationship with MBM at all.
JMO