CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

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Nobody calls an automatic a 5 speed even if it has 5 gears.

The person is using an imprecise term for a manual transmission whether it has 5, 6 or 7 gears.
Well that's what I was asking! I've literally never heard anyone use that term that way. Around here if you're talking about the actual number of gears, you'd say "my car has 5 gears". If you're just specifying the transmission type, most people will say standard/manual/stick or automatic and my car friends will talk about transaxles and CVTs lol. Thanks for clarifying. :) I wonder if it's a regional usage.
 
  • #1,002
I was just reading about another missing persons case. The man went missing in July 2024 and seems his father never gave up searching throughout Cape Breton N.S., eventually finding his son’s body almost a year later in May 2025. Meanwhile back in December 2024 three people were charged for with causing his death.


This other case brings to mind at least two thoughts-
- in every missing persons case I’ve followed searching never stops like it has in this case of the missing children. It’s as if the onus is all on the RCMP and SAR, otherwise nobody is looking. I’d hope this will change once the wildfire risk lessens but months have already went by. As far as Daniel, public sentiment is so much against him, unfortunately he’d be fighting a losing battle if he continued the search. Malehya or her relatives, what of them? The bodies of the children are obviously somewhere. But there’s no indication they’re searching either. Grandparents talk to the media, better than nothing I suppose.
- some people believe there’s insurmountable evidence against one or both parent/step but the fore-mentioned case above is an example, if there’s evidence charges will be laid even if the bodies haven’t been discovered. In this case the RCMP have not as yet ever mentioned the words ‘homicide investigation’.

JMO
Yes I do find it strange that as far as we are aware nobody is searching from either side of the families both bio and step ( in the case of referring to Dm as step parent)

Most cases I have read too families continue the search often it will be images in msm of the fathers and mother's out searching daily and stories on sm of families spending every waking moment searching fields and river banks depending on location last seen this is worldwide .

Why is it being left to rcmp and sars ? I totally understand warnings ,restrictions and you have kindly explained about wildfire dangers .

I probably shouldn't say this and it's not fair to compare but I don't think you could drag these other families away that you do hear about and I suppose until there comes a time where a poi is named we just have to assume that DM and MBM are obeying the authority of the the RCMP and putting full trust in them to find lilly and jack when restrictions are lifted .

Statistics would show that the majority of cases where no abductor is involved. Children are generally within a 1 to 2 km area of last seen . I mean how much area would a child cover in a difficult terrain like the one we are hearing about .

The recreational Centre across the road and up a bit from dms property if you turn left leaving his yard . I had wondered if Sars searched there . It is closed to the public but it has bodies of water for fishing and for a long time I thought the children may have headed there and because there was no more foot prints beyond the yard maybe they walked along the road or where taken there deceased
 
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Well that's what I was asking! I've literally never heard anyone use that term that way. Around here if you're talking about the actual number of gears, you'd say "my car has 5 gears". If you're just specifying the transmission type, most people will say standard/manual/stick or automatic and my car friends will talk about transaxles and CVTs lol. Thanks for clarifying. :) I wonder if it's a regional usage.

I think we get tend to get caught up in details. The information in the tip wasn’t describing the transmission of the vehicle per se, it was an explanation about why they apparently heard the vehicle going back and forth during the night. It was described as a ‘loud, five speed’ and what that means is loud revving of the motor can be heard each time the gears are shifted upward. Anyone who has ever heard a loud manual transmission can recognize that description of the sound of a vehicle (gunning or booting it (my Alberta slang) which they’re describing. Otherwise consider yourself fortunate that you’ve never had street racing down your street.
 
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Yes I do find it strange that as far as we are aware nobody is searching from either side of the families both bio and step ( in the case of referring to Dm as step parent)

Most cases I have read too families continue the search often it will be images in msm of the fathers and mother's out searching daily and stories on sm of families spending every waking moment searching fields and river banks depending on location last seen this is worldwide .

Why is it being left to rcmp and sars ? I totally understand warnings ,restrictions and you have kindly explained about wildfire dangers .

I probably shouldn't say this and it's not fair to compare but I don't think you could drag these other families away that you do hear about and I suppose until there comes a time where a poi is named we just have to assume that DM and MBM are obeying the authority of the the RCMP and putting full trust in them to find lilly and jack when restrictions are lifted .

Statistics would show that the majority of cases where no abductor is involved. Children are generally within a 1 to 2 km area of last seen . I mean how much area would a child cover in a difficult terrain like the one we are hearing about .

The recreational Centre across the road and up a bit from dms property if you turn left leaving his yard . I had wondered if Sars searched there . It is closed to the public but it has bodies of water for fishing and for a long time I thought the children may have headed there and because there was no more foot prints beyond the yard maybe they walked along the road or where taken there deceased

Yes, what I’m feeling is the absence of even one person who would move heaven and earth in the name of love to find Lilly and Jack. The two birth parents are either totally distanced (biofather) or appear to be (biomother). Meanwhile the step-father is a SM suspect who can do no right. It’s as if the children are surrounded by a void of concern. :(
 
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Yes, what I’m feeling is the absence of even one person who would move heaven and earth in the name of love to find Lilly and Jack. The two birth parents are either totally distanced (biofather) or appear to be (biomother). Meanwhile the step-father is a SM suspect who can do no right. It’s as if the children are surrounded by a void of concern. :(
Unfortunately this seems to be the case and if no abduction. Posters in yards and stores ain't going to find them it's boots on the ground imo

I don't really check sm on this missing persons case as its so toxic and full of 💩 its seems to be two opposing camps that sling mud at each other . But I do regularly check the grandmother BG page in case of an update on the kids . But yeah disheartening to say the least possibly neglected in life as well as in death .

This is the first live case I followed I Normally watched cold cases and posted in those threads on WS . It's a different ball game altogether when the case is in real time . I just want the kids found . I know it sounds terrible but I don't even care about or have an interest in justice at this stage . Just a proper Christian burial so they can rest in peace
 
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I think we get tend to get caught up in details. The information in the tip wasn’t describing the transmission of the vehicle per se, it was an explanation about why they apparently heard the vehicle going back and forth during the night. It was described as a ‘loud, five speed’ and what that means is loud revving of the motor can be heard each time the gears are shifted upward. Anyone who has ever heard a loud manual transmission can recognize that description of the sound of a vehicle (gunning or booting it (my Alberta slang) which they’re describing. Otherwise consider yourself fortunate that you’ve never had street racing down your street.
People do street race on my street. I know exactly what sound you're talking about! I just had never heard the term "5 speed" used to denote that. It's not that I'm getting hung up on details, but that I wasn't familiar with that slang term. So I appreciate your explaining it.
 
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Taking a step back on the timeline, looking back to about a month after they disappeared based on this MSM article, just reminding myself what happened based on the known facts and what their parents stated:

"Investigators have confirmed Lilly and Jack were seen in public with family members on the afternoon of May 1, based on the details police have gathered.
RCMP declined an interview request from CBC News.
The children's stepfather, Daniel Martell, has said the children were home from school on May 1 and 2 due to illness. They were also home on April 30 for a planned professional development day at the school."


So as far as can be gathered from these facts, and assuming it's been confirmed, Lilly's and Jack's last known status the week they vanished:

Monday & Tuesday April 28 & 29
They attended school and rode on the school bus to and from, and nothing has come out anything seemed wrong with them AFAIK (e.g., teachers/bus driver saying they seemed sick or had any obvious injuries [referring to the black eye(s) that were mentioned more recently in MSM])

Wednesday April 30
They had the day off from school for staff to conduct a planned professional day, and were presumably at home.

Thursday May 1 & Friday May 2
Their mother called their school and said they would not be attending due to having a "cough", effectively giving them a 5-day weekend off from school and right after the professional day.
  • On Thursday when they were off school due to illness, when the rest of their classmates returned after having the previous day off, they were seen in town with their family, yet they were too ill to attend school that day or the next day.
  • On Friday when they were off school again due to illness, they vanished from their home in the morning hours some time, with neither of their parents or relatives living nearby hearing or seeing anything, with the only info on them being their boots were missing from their home as well as Lilly's backpack.
Thinking about the professional day some more, I wonder if scheduling this type of day off in the middle of the school week was a common practice at their school. In the U.S. in my experience, professional days are usually scheduled at the end of the week or adjacent to a holiday to take advantage of grouping days off together for longer weekends for everyone, and were intended to give staff time to attend to issues outside of the day to day running of the classroom. It could be it is more like a "professional development" day for training and that sort of thing, but a family member of mine was a teacher in public school in the U.S. in a disadvantaged region, and she told me these professional days (or "in-service" days as they were called) were often the only time when staff could get together without being fully engaged in the day-to-day rigors of teaching and engaging with students, to talk about issues of concern and observations they may have made about specific students. Given a breather from their full days focused on teaching classrooms full of children, they were able to make progress collaborating & decision-making on any students they thought may require support or they needed to take action on in terms of required reporting regarding child safety at home.

I also wonder now, looking at this schedule where the professional day occurred in the middle of the week with a fresh perspective, and knowing in hindsight that staff at their school had reported concerns about their well being to child protection previously, what types of activities and topics the staff would be attending to "professionally". For example, did it include planned time or extra time as needed for breakout sessions to discuss specific students and their needs and safety at home?

If so, and that's a possibility, what if that's one of the reasons why Lilly and Jack were kept home from school for 2 extra days after the day off for the professional day when they weren't so sick as to have to stay at home (being seen in town the 1st day)?

Because their parent(s) were wanting to avoid any additional scrutiny due to one of their children ending up with a black eye again, and/or they were wanting to avoid facing the music that may have come out of the meetings amongst staff the day before?

It's giving me any uneasy feeling to think of their school absences that week from this new perspective, if things were escalating at home in terms or neglect/abuse, and real concerns were escalating at the school, and their parents could sense the jig may be up....

And then they just disappeared between the 1st day and 2nd day they were "home sick".

Knowing now what I didn't know then (back at the end of May when the article was written) that the school was working with CPS and memos were being prepared or were prepared On The Day They Went Missing (May 2, linked upthread) about increasingly grave concerns (my wording) for Lilly and Jack's safety their school staff had.... I have to wonder and wonder some more, what kind of perfect storm of circumstances led to their disappearance, and their mother moving out of the house a few days later never to return or speak publicly.

JMWO (just my worried opinion). Still waiting with baited breath to hear they have been found or that charges have been brought against any POIs and/or suspects LE has been investigating who may have been involved in their disappearance and possibly their murders.

💔
 
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Taking a step back on the timeline, looking back to about a month after they disappeared based on this MSM article, just reminding myself what happened based on the known facts and what their parents stated:

"Investigators have confirmed Lilly and Jack were seen in public with family members on the afternoon of May 1, based on the details police have gathered.
RCMP declined an interview request from CBC News.
The children's stepfather, Daniel Martell, has said the children were home from school on May 1 and 2 due to illness. They were also home on April 30 for a planned professional development day at the school."


So as far as can be gathered from these facts, and assuming it's been confirmed, Lilly's and Jack's last known status the week they vanished:

Monday & Tuesday April 28 & 29
They attended school and rode on the school bus to and from, and nothing has come out anything seemed wrong with them AFAIK (e.g., teachers/bus driver saying they seemed sick or had any obvious injuries [referring to the black eye(s) that were mentioned more recently in MSM])

Wednesday April 30
They had the day off from school for staff to conduct a planned professional day, and were presumably at home.

Thursday May 1 & Friday May 2
Their mother called their school and said they would not be attending due to having a "cough", effectively giving them a 5-day weekend off from school and right after the professional day.
  • On Thursday when they were off school due to illness, when the rest of their classmates returned after having the previous day off, they were seen in town with their family, yet they were too ill to attend school that day or the next day.
  • On Friday when they were off school again due to illness, they vanished from their home in the morning hours some time, with neither of their parents or relatives living nearby hearing or seeing anything, with the only info on them being their boots were missing from their home as well as Lilly's backpack.
Thinking about the professional day some more, I wonder if scheduling this type of day off in the middle of the school week was a common practice at their school. In the U.S. in my experience, professional days are usually scheduled at the end of the week or adjacent to a holiday to take advantage of grouping days off together for longer weekends for everyone, and were intended to give staff time to attend to issues outside of the day to day running of the classroom. It could be it is more like a "professional development" day for training and that sort of thing, but a family member of mine was a teacher in public school in the U.S. in a disadvantaged region, and she told me these professional days (or "in-service" days as they were called) were often the only time when staff could get together without being fully engaged in the day-to-day rigors of teaching and engaging with students, to talk about issues of concern and observations they may have made about specific students. Given a breather from their full days focused on teaching classrooms full of children, they were able to make progress collaborating & decision-making on any students they thought may require support or they needed to take action on in terms of required reporting regarding child safety at home.

I also wonder now, looking at this schedule where the professional day occurred in the middle of the week with a fresh perspective, and knowing in hindsight that staff at their school had reported concerns about their well being to child protection previously, what types of activities and topics the staff would be attending to "professionally". For example, did it include planned time or extra time as needed for breakout sessions to discuss specific students and their needs and safety at home?

If so, and that's a possibility, what if that's one of the reasons why Lilly and Jack were kept home from school for 2 extra days after the day off for the professional day when they weren't so sick as to have to stay at home (being seen in town the 1st day)?

Because their parent(s) were wanting to avoid any additional scrutiny due to one of their children ending up with a black eye again, and/or they were wanting to avoid facing the music that may have come out of the meetings amongst staff the day before?

It's giving me any uneasy feeling to think of their school absences that week from this new perspective, if things were escalating at home in terms or neglect/abuse, and real concerns were escalating at the school, and their parents could sense the jig may be up....

And then they just disappeared between the 1st day and 2nd day they were "home sick".

Knowing now what I didn't know then (back at the end of May when the article was written) that the school was working with CPS and memos were being prepared or were prepared On The Day They Went Missing (May 2, linked upthread) about increasingly grave concerns (my wording) for Lilly and Jack's safety their school staff had.... I have to wonder and wonder some more, what kind of perfect storm of circumstances led to their disappearance, and their mother moving out of the house a few days later never to return or speak publicly.

JMWO (just my worried opinion). Still waiting with baited breath to hear they have been found or that charges have been brought against any POIs and/or suspects LE has been investigating who may have been involved in their disappearance and possibly their murders.

💔
I'm Canadian and in British Columbia across the country from Nova Scotia. My kids get a Pro-Day almost every month!

Seems like a lot but maybe they've increased as class sizes are jam-packed and school is at full/over capacity for years (where I am)?

Could be very different in NS, unsure if capacity has anything to do with if teacher's need to catch up with more work with more students. Hopefull there's a Canadian teacher on this thread!

Our Pro-D days are always on Fridays and Mondays, very rarely midweek although I can't say it never happened... I may have forgot if it was years ago.

The timing does seem too aligned doesn't it? Like you mentioned - if things were escalating or coming to a head did DM or someone do something to "solve the problem" :(

Waiting for a break soon I hope.
 
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I've always called it a standard too, never 5 speed or manual. I've lived in city and smaller towns.
Not that it probably matters much, but 5 speed is something I'd use for a bicycle, altho that can't be what they mean here!

I grew up with it being called a manual in a household where there were only manuals, in a region where there were undoubtedly a lot more automatics. But not in Nova Scotia, or anywhere rural.
 
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Here’s a lot of info on manual/standard transmissions. I remembered I had a 4 speed stick back in late 80s. So not all standard transmissions are 5 speed.

What I wonder, and any car experts here, please weigh in, is there a difference in the sound of a 4 speed versus a 5 speed? And can someone with very strong knowledge of automotives be able to tell a car is a 5 speed just by hearing it? I believe the answer is yes, but I dont actually know.
IMO
 
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Here’s a lot of info on manual/standard transmissions. I remembered I had a 4 speed stick back in late 80s. So not all standard transmissions are 5 speed.

What I wonder, and any car experts here, please weigh in, is there a difference in the sound of a 4 speed versus a 5 speed? And can someone with very strong knowledge of automotives be able to tell a car is a 5 speed just by hearing it? I believe the answer is yes, but I dont actually know.
IMO
My family's stick was a six speed. Very fun.

You can certainly hear how many gears a vehicle is shifting through, but I don't know if you could tell from listening whether a car that had shifted up four times had another gear it hadn't yet used or not, if that makes sense. If you could see the speedometer you could probably guess by the speed you were going combined with the RPM, so maybe you could tell by how loud the engine was and how long the car took to go past you?

But Misty was saying above that in some places people say "5 speed" as a casual term that just means "manual transmission" and isn't referring to how many gears the car actually has. So that's probably what was meant here.
 
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Check out this video from this search, janie martell interview full interview
https://share.google/gbcBy90x0cqrCeAxi

To me this whole case has way too many red flags. I don’t believe the kids wandered into the woods at all. I think something happened (accident or other) and the three people who lived there at the time are covering it up. I was just going over different articles and came across the above interview with Janie. I don’t believe for one second she was raking the dirt to level it out for a pool. Why the heck would you put a pool on the gravel/dirt to begin with? Not to mention it was only the beginning of May and was cold and rainy. Makes no sense to me. The other oddity in the video is the one boot print found, the only one. How is there only one single boot print from the kids who played out there all the time? The whole place almost has no grass, in May there would’ve been less grass and more mud. There were no other kids boot prints on the property at all? I think Janie was raking for some other reason. All speculation and JMO, MOO
 
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Check out this video from this search, janie martell interview full interview
https://share.google/gbcBy90x0cqrCeAxi

To me this whole case has way too many red flags. I don’t believe the kids wandered into the woods at all. I think something happened (accident or other) and the three people who lived there at the time are covering it up. I was just going over different articles and came across the above interview with Janie. I don’t believe for one second she was raking the dirt to level it out for a pool. Why the heck would you put a pool on the gravel/dirt to begin with? Not to mention it was only the beginning of May and was cold and rainy. Makes no sense to me. The other oddity in the video is the one boot print found, the only one. How is there only one single boot print from the kids who played out there all the time? The whole place almost has no grass, in May there would’ve been less grass and more mud. There were no other kids boot prints on the property at all? I think Janie was raking for some other reason. All speculation and JMO, MOO

I’m not sure why raking dirt or gravel in the springtime would be unduly suspicious. It didn’t seem like she was describing a major project to me and she never said what kind of pool. It’s a given it wasn’t inground complete with a ladder and diving board. Considering the ages of the three children and their standard of living in general, for all we know it could’ve been an 8x8 inflatable pool from Walmart.

Regardless, by now I could bet the RCMP have received dozen of tips about her raking comment and if they believed it significant, have followed up with her. If the ground was excavated or roto-tilled, that could be suspicious. Raking gravel is not going to hide evidence of injury or death any more than trying to wipe away a bloodstain on a couch.
JMO
 
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I see both points about the gravel and the pool.

If LE was suspicious of those actions, I'm sure they would find something/anything to somehow get a warrant and do some digging if they felt anything was buried. But maybe this could be something down the line.

For the environment in general and whether "fit" for a pool. I feel like that could be relative. People who have little can find ways to be creative and make do with what they have and the space they have.

I know some hippie types and this would be something they would do! They'd throw a pool down wherever as it's fun for the kids regardless. They'd build a pool anywhere it fits especially in hot heat of the summer as I think NS can get pretty hot and humid. MOO
 
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I see both points about the gravel and the pool.

If LE was suspicious of those actions, I'm sure they would find something/anything to somehow get a warrant and do some digging if they felt anything was buried. But maybe this could be something down the line.

For the environment in general and whether "fit" for a pool. I feel like that could be relative. People who have little can find ways to be creative and make do with what they have and the space they have.

I know some hippie types and this would be something they would do! They'd throw a pool down wherever as it's fun for the kids regardless. They'd build a pool anywhere it fits especially in hot heat of the summer as I think NS can get pretty hot and humid. MOO

It’s a great example of ‘confirmation bias’ I suppose. For those with the theory that the children somehow met their fate in the family home, the odds are the grandmother would’ve observed something suspicious and so all ears were peeled on what she had to say to prove it.

I have no idea what happened to the children but it must be very difficult for family members to grieve, to deal with their loss amidst the swirling speculation.
JMO
 
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Taking a step back on the timeline, looking back to about a month after they disappeared based on this MSM article, just reminding myself what happened based on the known facts and what their parents stated:

"Investigators have confirmed Lilly and Jack were seen in public with family members on the afternoon of May 1, based on the details police have gathered.
RCMP declined an interview request from CBC News.
The children's stepfather, Daniel Martell, has said the children were home from school on May 1 and 2 due to illness. They were also home on April 30 for a planned professional development day at the school."


So as far as can be gathered from these facts, and assuming it's been confirmed, Lilly's and Jack's last known status the week they vanished:

Monday & Tuesday April 28 & 29
They attended school and rode on the school bus to and from, and nothing has come out anything seemed wrong with them AFAIK (e.g., teachers/bus driver saying they seemed sick or had any obvious injuries [referring to the black eye(s) that were mentioned more recently in MSM])

Wednesday April 30
They had the day off from school for staff to conduct a planned professional day, and were presumably at home.

Thursday May 1 & Friday May 2
Their mother called their school and said they would not be attending due to having a "cough", effectively giving them a 5-day weekend off from school and right after the professional day.
  • On Thursday when they were off school due to illness, when the rest of their classmates returned after having the previous day off, they were seen in town with their family, yet they were too ill to attend school that day or the next day.
  • On Friday when they were off school again due to illness, they vanished from their home in the morning hours some time, with neither of their parents or relatives living nearby hearing or seeing anything, with the only info on them being their boots were missing from their home as well as Lilly's backpack.
Thinking about the professional day some more, I wonder if scheduling this type of day off in the middle of the school week was a common practice at their school. In the U.S. in my experience, professional days are usually scheduled at the end of the week or adjacent to a holiday to take advantage of grouping days off together for longer weekends for everyone, and were intended to give staff time to attend to issues outside of the day to day running of the classroom. It could be it is more like a "professional development" day for training and that sort of thing, but a family member of mine was a teacher in public school in the U.S. in a disadvantaged region, and she told me these professional days (or "in-service" days as they were called) were often the only time when staff could get together without being fully engaged in the day-to-day rigors of teaching and engaging with students, to talk about issues of concern and observations they may have made about specific students. Given a breather from their full days focused on teaching classrooms full of children, they were able to make progress collaborating & decision-making on any students they thought may require support or they needed to take action on in terms of required reporting regarding child safety at home.

I also wonder now, looking at this schedule where the professional day occurred in the middle of the week with a fresh perspective, and knowing in hindsight that staff at their school had reported concerns about their well being to child protection previously, what types of activities and topics the staff would be attending to "professionally". For example, did it include planned time or extra time as needed for breakout sessions to discuss specific students and their needs and safety at home?

If so, and that's a possibility, what if that's one of the reasons why Lilly and Jack were kept home from school for 2 extra days after the day off for the professional day when they weren't so sick as to have to stay at home (being seen in town the 1st day)?

Because their parent(s) were wanting to avoid any additional scrutiny due to one of their children ending up with a black eye again, and/or they were wanting to avoid facing the music that may have come out of the meetings amongst staff the day before?

It's giving me any uneasy feeling to think of their school absences that week from this new perspective, if things were escalating at home in terms or neglect/abuse, and real concerns were escalating at the school, and their parents could sense the jig may be up....

And then they just disappeared between the 1st day and 2nd day they were "home sick".

Knowing now what I didn't know then (back at the end of May when the article was written) that the school was working with CPS and memos were being prepared or were prepared On The Day They Went Missing (May 2, linked upthread) about increasingly grave concerns (my wording) for Lilly and Jack's safety their school staff had.... I have to wonder and wonder some more, what kind of perfect storm of circumstances led to their disappearance, and their mother moving out of the house a few days later never to return or speak publicly.

JMWO (just my worried opinion). Still waiting with baited breath to hear they have been found or that charges have been brought against any POIs and/or suspects LE has been investigating who may have been involved in their disappearance and possibly their murders.

💔
Maybe, the school or CPS several times demanded, that the mother M would separate from her husband DM, because M had complained about him as allegedly the guilty part of the parents whenever she had an unpleasant conversation. Separation or otherwise losing her children to CPS, all three (I would think). Because M didn't separate in time, she did it, when the children were lost already. Maybe, for her the timeline seemed suitable, more than ever before. M's mother could have taken M with her already before that day, but she did not. Of course, it was more easy to take her with only one child, the toddler, and not with 3 children, 2 of them possibly behaviorally disturbed. MOO

I would like to know more about the disput between the families on DM mum's property. The important things were definitely addressed there, IMO.
 
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Is it known whether the one child-sized bootprint AND the scrap of blanket that "looked like Lilly's" were near one another, about 3/4 of a mile from their home, IIRC on the distance (converted from kilometers)?

If they were in the same approximate location and their parents led LE there after having found them while searching for Lilly & Jack in the beginning (before LE arrived), again IIRC, because that was the only potential sign of them maybe having gone off on their own (4) feet:

It's always seemed kind of strange there would only be 1 of their 4 bootprints visible, it just doesn't make sense to me, anyway.

Unless 1 of them stepped in a muddier spot near a puddle or wetspot, with 1 foot while their other foot did not, nor the other 2. I would imagine their strides and so prints would be pretty close together, like a foot or less between them unless they were running. But even running, 2 little kids wouldn't have been able to keep running at greater strides and cover a lot of distance after 3/4 of a mile, I think at that point they would be tiring.

Once again going back to the beginning known facts, if 1 scrap of blanket (that may have been Lilly's, but it wasn't confirmed AFAIK) and 1 bootprint (which also was not confirmed as either of theirs AFAIK) was found by their parents who led LE there, and their parents guessed they must have gone into the woods, and intensive searches were conducted over 2.2 square miles encompassing both areas, and they decided not to bring in cadaver dogs...

Well, that points to LE not believing they ran off into the woods or in the direction of the bootprint & blanket scrap for reasons including searches turning up nothing, including no scent of the children by tracking dogs into/in the woods or past the end of the driveway.

So it seems, IMOO, those 2 parent-led theories on where they went did not bear fruit, and they were more like "what ifs", and not real evidence, so LE had very little to go on.

Added to this lack of evidence, that:

(a) their grandmother said she heard them playing outside earlier in the morning but did not hear anything later before their parents realized they were not in the house or nearby, and

(b) their "stepdad" DM said he had driven all over on his ATV or 4 wheeler looking for them and calling for them before their mom called 911 (& after IIRC) and couldn't find any sign of them

So LE must have known after the searches that looking for them or their bodies around the property was not a good use of resources, and they've been investigating other potential factors in their disappearance since then, conducting interviews and reviewing video footage in the area, reviewing CPS records, etc.

So I think it's taken this long for LE to conduct a full investigation because of the lack of evidence, and needing to go far and wide into the community and even farther reaches of the region to build a case leading to POIs/suspects who may have been involved or involved in a cover up or worse.

And it's a matter of a bit more time before they make an arrest.

There's just so little to go on, so apologies if this is just a rehashing of the same old info spun a slightly different way.

But at least it's keeping the thread active as things have gone pretty quiet, and every post & reaction here is a way to keep interest in their case going, or as we used to say "bumping for Lilly & Jack".

MOO
 
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@Twisitnginthewind- does it feel as though you’ve been left twisting in the wind, lol, no replies since Saturday?? :-)
I also like to “unpack” what we know so far. If the investigation isn’t going anywhere, I think it’s good to go back to the beginning, and apply some “what ifs”, whys, etc.
What if DM and MBM have given an inaccurate account with respect to timing? This is not to say they are responsible. For example, if drink or drugs had been a part of the previous night, as a family under CPS scrutiny, they might not want to be forthright about that. If the children actually disappeared earlier than stated, this gives a lot of time for wandering farther, or a potential escape for anyone who might have taken them.
What if the report of a 5 speed car coming and going in the night is true? What might be a reason for multiple trips? It’s easy to speculate and say “to dispose of a body/bodies”, as shocking as that sounds. But why would it take more than one trip? So then who was it and why were they coming and going?
Why was there only one child bootprint found (or 2 bootprints, at 2 different locations) Why not more of both children’s prints? And, related to this, if taken, why were there no footprints from the person or people who took them away?
If taken then evidently they were taken on foot, if the bootprints authentically belong to J or L, why take them away on foot and not by car? The area is remote and unpopulated, they’re unlikely to be seen.
If taken, how is it the person or people taking them was careless enough to leave behind the partial pink blanket?
On the other hand, if they were actually taken by car, as we know scent dogs tracked the children to the roadside, how do we explain the partial blanket and bootprint being found away from the property?
This is all my own hypothesizing and wondering, and imho.

I’d love to do some more unpacking. What is niggling at your mind?
 
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Just a thought. Deceitful actions, manipulating and inconsistencies may look unorganized, chaotic, even ridiculous to bystanders. But sometimes it's a tactic, which as a result may complicate an investigation & prolong the process of solving the case by following the endless leads, the false ones intertwined with true ones, which makes the truth increasingly difficult to unravel.

Found it, searched for this excellent post that’s been rolling around in my memory. I think it’s right on and this is why the investigation doesn’t appear to be going in any one direction almost four months later. Everything we think we know can’t possibly all be true.
 
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