CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

[steff13]

Re polygraphs - CTV chooses odd wording, that DM was truthful, and that MBM was truthful “when asked specific questions” but the list of questions were redacted. This certainly makes it sound like MBM came across as less truthful than DM.

It definitely sounds like he answered all of the questions truthfully and she didn't. But I don't know what it means by specific questions. I can only think there must be some difference in their polygraph results, otherwise why make a distinction at all?

 

[Slebby]

There were actually 12 -13 documents released, (depending which story you read) It would likely be a mess to publish, especially with redactions.
IMHO

Edit to add - this was in reply to Mistywater’s question above, why not publish the whole document….

 

[TMich6811]

There were actually 12 -13 documents released, (depending which story you read) It would likely be a mess to publish, especially with redactions.
IMHO

Is publishing the actual documents even allowed in Canada?

 

[Slebby]

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[MistyWaters]

Is publishing the actual documents even allowed in Canada?

Can’t think of reason why not. I’ve noticed publications of same from time to time. They were requested and granted through Freedom of Information legislation. Anyone could apply if willing to pay the cost, the media isn’t privileged.
JMO

 

[TMich6811]

Can’t think of reason why not. I’ve noticed publications of same from time to time. They were requested and granted through Freedom of Information legislation.

Not sure. Canada releases so little info I just thought it a possibility

 

[MistyWaters]

Not sure. Canada releases so little info I just thought it a possibility

Yes, depending on the arguments sometimes the Court won’t allow its release. I wonder how much was redacted? Sometimes there’s more blackout than type.

 

[Slebby]

It definitely sounds like he answered all of the questions truthfully and she didn't. But I don't know what it means by specific questions. I can only think there must be some difference in their polygraph results, otherwise why make a distinction at all?

But only CTV made it sound that way.

 

[steff13]

But only CTV made it sound that way.

Right, but I still wonder why. Is it poor writing?

 

[TMich6811]

Right, but I still wonder why. Is it poor writing?

Or is so much redacted that some filler is happening

 

[Slebby]

Right, but I still wonder why. Is it poor writing?

Maybe? But CBC and the Globe and Mail seem to be in agreement that they both passed the poly. IMO

 

[TMich6811]

Maybe? But CBC and the Globe and Mail seem to be in agreement that they both passed the poly. IMO

Globe and mail says 4 questions

“Both Malehya and Daniel’s polygraph examination results on May 12 showed that they were truthful when answering four questions that were redacted as privileged information.”

Do people go in for a polygraph and really only get asked 4 questions? Seems unrealistic doesn’t it?

Court documents reveal items seized and found by police during search for Jack and Lilly Sullivan

13 records filed by the RCMP in their continuing major crime investigation offer new details into the investigation

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Slebby]

Globe and mail says 4 questions

“Both Malehya and Daniel’s polygraph examination results on May 12 showed that they were truthful when answering four questions that were redacted as privileged information.”

Do people go in for a polygraph and really only get asked 4 questions? Seems unrealistic doesn’t it?

Court documents reveal items seized and found by police during search for Jack and Lilly Sullivan

13 records filed by the RCMP in their continuing major crime investigation offer new details into the investigation

www.theglobeandmail.com

I totally agree. I’ve always thought polygraphs would start with a bunch of baseline questions, then variations on questions related to the case in question.
Baseline - are you DM? Do you live in Pictou County?
Questions re case - did you harm L? Did you harm J? Did you kill L? Do you know where L is? Do you know where J is? Do you know who took J? Etc.

But what do I know? DM claimed the first polygraph question he was asked was “did you kill Jack and Lilly?”

IMO

 

[Slebby]

I just read the Canadian Press version of this same story, one line stood out for me that might explain why the entirety of the documents was not published instead of the interpretations of reporters.

“documents include unproven statements made by police”

This could explain the need for reporters to read the documents and determine what to include and exclude when they publish - out of ethical and legal considerations. Just my opinion.

Police court documents provide detail on Nova Scotia missing children case

Newly released court documents are revealing previously unreported details of the investigation into the disappearance of two young children from their home in rural northeastern Nova Scotia more than three

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

 

[Marzipan]

There's a concept called presplaining (and postsplaining). Broad but ...

Let's say that someone helped a fragment of a blanket get a ways away.

And let's say LE found a corresponding piece in confiscated trash.

And asked the question.

And the story morphed into a new one about tears and drafts which half answers the trashed piece, but leaves the woodsy half making no sense.

It's a way of kicking the can forward...

That is a topic with LE IMO does not hide well for the well-being of the littlest, I fear.

Did someone think a torn blanket in the woods lends to a certain narrative?

It falls apart if the other half is found at home... Hard story to sell. Watching to see whose story it is.

I'm sticking a pin in it.

JMO

The missing cashmere sweaters may also be interpreted as presplaining. I’m feeling hopeful today but in recent days have wondered if those sweaters will be found with bodies and DM perhaps had to preempt conclusions tying the sweaters directly to his involvement.
Yet, today, I have to clarify MOO and not a strong opinion at that. But why are the sweaters missing?

 

[BlaiseFinlay]

It seems the least complicated outcome but after almost four months, what would be the purpose in hiding this arrangement considering MBM had sole custody. Many parents seek a relative to assist in raising their children. Only if that person wants to be designated a legal guardian does it go through the courts.

My only thought is if she was so fearful of a child welfare intervention - maybe a traumatic experience in her own childhood? - so she decided to not risk that and took matters into her own hands. If so, here in Canada I’m quite certain the courts would be very understanding considering her indigenous heritage and Canada’s attempt at reconciliation of past wrongdoings. I realize for those of you from the US and other countries, why this may be difficult to comprehend. Dynamics with different countries are not all the same, just the way it is….
JMO

Oh this is the best theory I’ve heard in favor of the children being given to someone, given the prior CPS contact.

Otherwise, my theory is negligence/neglect led to the CPS involvement, and the same led to the kids disappearing, probably into the woods.

Can’t explain the weirdness surrounding the blanket.

 

[MistyWaters]

I just read the Canadian Press version of this same story, one line stood out for me that might explain why the entirety of the documents was not published instead of the interpretations of reporters.

“documents include unproven statements made by police”

This could explain the need for reporters to read the documents and determine what to include and exclude when they publish - out of ethical and legal considerations. Just my opinion.

Police court documents provide detail on Nova Scotia missing children case

Newly released court documents are revealing previously unreported details of the investigation into the disappearance of two young children from their home in rural northeastern Nova Scotia more than three

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

That’s a real profound statement by a reporter! Of course an ITO (information to obtain) will contain unproven information. The police can only go with what they believe, attempting to convince a Judge to authorize a subpoena hoping to either prove or disprove that belief. They can’t be expected to know what they don’t know during the investigative phase, as that is why they’re still investigating and seeking various subpoenas.

As far as I notice at the moment, both CBC and CTV have removed their printed news stories.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

BBM

MSN

“The mother told police that both children were possibly autistic and known to roam.”

Originally iirc MBM told the media the children weren’t allowed to go outside on their own and someone was always outside watching them (or words to that effect). So now we know why that might be. And ‘known to roam’ is probably the reason the RCMP initially believed the children wandered into the forest.
JMO

 

[LadyL]

Sedans are typically 4 doors from my knowledge of using that term. So if this woman was waiting next to passenger door with backdoor open, definitely sounds like a 4 door.

Backdoor open already, waiting.... I am so curious if she hopped in the front passenger seat and someone else was driving.

If the car was kept running let's say with a driver and she hopped out to escort/disarm kids (if needed, they may have recognized her from somewhere) there may be 2 people.

Or, she got kids in the car and walked around, got in the car (maybe started it) and was driver.

I bet the witness knows more and maybe LE does too. They are letting out breadcrumbs. MOO

did this tipster just come forward?
I don't understand why the RCMP would not have put the public on high alert in the beginning with a description of the car and the lady

 

[Lalalacasbah]

It definitely sounds like he answered all of the questions truthfully and she didn't. But I don't know what it means by specific questions. I can only think there must be some difference in their polygraph results, otherwise why make a distinction at all?

I think how it works... They can ask a run of whimsical, basic type questions that are easy to be honest or lie about like - "do you currently live at this address?" or "do you live in Canada" to get a baseline.

Then I think they get into more complicated, detailed questions.

MBM may have inconclusive results maybe if they asked her "are you responsible for your children missing" or "was Daniel involved" where she very well may feel responsible for not being awake/alert or a better mom or she might not trust DM at all and unsure of what she truly feels or believes - I think those might come back as inconclusive. Like it's her own truth kinda thing...

All MOO as I'm no expert!