CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

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  • #361

3:45 JM said that at the time or by the time the cops arrived, she went into her camper. Unless she really needed to use her bathroom, I wonder why she would not be present. The kids had just gone missing.
She had already been searching a wooded area behind and maybe also beside their property. She showed the reporter all where she'd been. And then she went back down to the property and mentions she went into her house, by which I suppose she means her RV. Maybe she did need the bathroom or had to check her dog or who knows? Then she mentions sitting crying on the saw-horse. So it could have been just a few minutes in the house.
MOO
 
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July 18 segment on CBC's The Current about Jack and Lilly. The RCMP states again that there is no evidence of abduction. The crime reporter in Nova Scotia who has worked in many rural areas confirms she has never been somewhere as rural as Landsdowne Station. The step-grandmother who lives on the property reiterates what many of us saw in a birthday party video that Lilly is always screaming and very excitable. A silent abduction is nearly impossible to imagine. She also asserts she does not believe they are in the woods, confirming how dense the area is and that she often had to 'drag ... carry Jack' through the brush. Paternal grandmother says she has not seen the children in 2 years, around the time MBM moved in with DM on the trailer property. This is an interesting statement IMO.
 
  • #364

This is nagging at me for some reason and I’m probably picking at straws here but I can’t let go of this.

At approximately the 5:30 mark, I’m just paraphrasing here…. JM is showing the spot where she was raking on the night of May 1st. She says she was planning on putting in a pool for the kids and you need level ground. Then she says that on Friday they found the one boot print right there in the mud where she was raking.

May 1st is still pretty cold with black flies everywhere. I’m in Ontario in a pretty rural spot with lots of woods beside my home and the black flies are pretty nasty at this time. I looked at the weather for Pictou County and it’s pretty much the same. Now even if she was raking to make level ground for a future pool, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that ahead of time. She’s raking gravel. You would have to redo it anyways because it’s going to rain etc. it’s only the beginning of May. I guess I’m trying to figure out why she’s explaining this in the first place? Has something been said about her raking? It just seems odd to me. I don’t know.
JMO
 
  • #365
No, it's much, much closer to Janie's bedroom in the RV. The bedroom of DM and MBM is at the far end of the trailer. I don't know where J and L's bedroom was, but even so my impression is that the swing set was closest to Janie's bedroom and RV than to the trailer.

MOO
Thank you
 
  • #366
it's interesting that one grandmother says her heart tells her that Jack & Lilly are gone and another grandmother says her heart tells her they are still alive ...

I believe they have both been honest since the beginning
Yet the one that believes they are gone BG hasn't seen the children in almost 2 years unfortunately. And JM seen them everyday and may have more of an insight into the investigation and search imo .
 
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I see it looks like some painting has been happening in yard from above cbc video
Hi AddyFinch, I had the same thought , when I seen the video with footage of the yard I thought " everything looks brand new . In comparison from the drone footage from previous shots everything looked run down and dilapidated. Then I recalled looking at aerial photos of my house and those of my neighbours from Google earth and my god you would think our backyards were ramshackles in the backend of nowhere and living an existence of extreme squalor and we don't 🤣🤣
 
  • #368

This is nagging at me for some reason and I’m probably picking at straws here but I can’t let go of this.

At approximately the 5:30 mark, I’m just paraphrasing here…. JM is showing the spot where she was raking on the night of May 1st. She says she was planning on putting in a pool for the kids and you need level ground. Then she says that on Friday they found the one boot print right there in the mud where she was raking.

May 1st is still pretty cold with black flies everywhere. I’m in Ontario in a pretty rural spot with lots of woods beside my home and the black flies are pretty nasty at this time. I looked at the weather for Pictou County and it’s pretty much the same. Now even if she was raking to make level ground for a future pool, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that ahead of time. She’s raking gravel. You would have to redo it anyways because it’s going to rain etc. it’s only the beginning of May. I guess I’m trying to figure out why she’s explaining this in the first place? Has something been said about her raking? It just seems odd to me. I don’t know.
JMO
It is always valuable to have an insight from a poster who lives in the same environment and with similar weather conditions. I would not have thought of whether or not it was the season for a pool . Is May ,spring time or beginning of summer. Irish summer months are May , June, July. But August is officially the beginning of autumn but a lot of people consider it as a summer month .

Only thought I had when she said she was raking and digging for a pool was " if lilly and jack are buried under that I will literally scream


Edited to add : just had a Google about black flies , pretty nasty beasts 🤪 and you are so right the height of the season is may and June and they are most prominent around water ( making a pool 🙄🤔 ) and wooded areas . If their bites are anything like the horsefly in ireland. It's very painful and can quickly turn to cellulitis if not cleaned regularly. I got 3 bites this summer and not pretty
 
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I’m not caught up yet, so I’m sorry if someone has already summarized the article. It’s not paywalled yet, but G&M articles tend to be so that could change. Some key points:

**the blanket was found off Lansdowne Road, less than a kilometre away from the family home.

** RCMP Corporal Carlie McCann told the media that only one blanket was located and retrieved early on in the search.

**DM previously told the Globe and mail that two parts of the blanket were found: one from Lansdowne Road and one piece from his week-old garbage. He said he told the police he believes the blanket was planted. DM did not respond to the Globe and Mail’s requests for further comment.

**The Globe and Mail asked the RCMP to confirm what DM told them, but they didn’t respond before the article was published.

** DM’s father, some of his uncles and other family live on Lansdowne Road.

The article is paywalled for me now , I'm assuming readers may first get 1 or 2 articles free to reel you in as a paying customer 😉 can you do a short quote of where it states DMs uncles ,dad and brother live on landsdowne Road, that is quite an interesting bit of info . Not in a sinister way but they must know that area like the back of their hand and I'm sure they would have helped search , I know DMs brother was pictured on the rv very early on . So if locals with assumed knowledge of the area could not find them its strange and I'm speculating that prehaps DM still goes out looking even if it's just in the regular going about the place
 
  • #370

This is nagging at me for some reason and I’m probably picking at straws here but I can’t let go of this.

At approximately the 5:30 mark, I’m just paraphrasing here…. JM is showing the spot where she was raking on the night of May 1st. She says she was planning on putting in a pool for the kids and you need level ground. Then she says that on Friday they found the one boot print right there in the mud where she was raking.

May 1st is still pretty cold with black flies everywhere. I’m in Ontario in a pretty rural spot with lots of woods beside my home and the black flies are pretty nasty at this time. I looked at the weather for Pictou County and it’s pretty much the same. Now even if she was raking to make level ground for a future pool, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that ahead of time. She’s raking gravel. You would have to redo it anyways because it’s going to rain etc. it’s only the beginning of May. I guess I’m trying to figure out why she’s explaining this in the first place? Has something been said about her raking? It just seems odd to me. I don’t know.
JMO
The impression I got is that she mentioned it because of the irony. The boot print was found in the same spot she'd been raking to level out for the pool.

Up north and out east where black flies are insane in May, it's a trip to watch people who live there be outside in all their gear, doing chores, tending the garden, mowing the lawn, etc. Folks who live there live with it, and deal with it so it didn't surprise me to hear she was working outside.
 
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At approximately the 5:30 mark, I’m just paraphrasing here…. JM is showing the spot where she was raking on the night of May 1st. She says she was planning on putting in a pool for the kids and you need level ground. Then she says that on Friday they found the one boot print right there in the mud where she was raking.

May 1st is still pretty cold with black flies everywhere. I’m in Ontario in a pretty rural spot with lots of woods beside my home and the black flies are pretty nasty at this time. I looked at the weather for Pictou County and it’s pretty much the same. Now even if she was raking to make level ground for a future pool, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that ahead of time. She’s raking gravel. You would have to redo it anyways because it’s going to rain etc. it’s only the beginning of May. I guess I’m trying to figure out why she’s explaining this in the first place? Has something been said about her raking? It just seems odd to me. I don’t know.
JMO
I agree. I also wonder why she would choose to put pool there and not in fenced yard?kids would need to be supervised anyways, but the lawn is better for little feet and less dirty. I see there’s a setee and flower pots set up, but all is on the outside of her fenced court yard.
Can’t see the fence that DM was working on evening before.
Did LE remove those boards under carriage of RV?
Did they check the strange venting for wood stove or propane stove?
May esp this year was early for kiddy pool, but I think they had a hot spell prior, maybe it got her in the mood.
I still don’t know what to make of this interview, and yes, she admitted in video she wanted the media to do an interview,
 
  • #372
I doubt the cops would be okay with a massive coverup that's cost the province hundreds of thousands of dollars, the use of manpower between several forces, the aerial recon with planes and drones, the false narrative that had them chasing their tales. There would be charges to be laid and fines to be paid and if they thought the general population was giving them the side eye now they are in for a rude shock if that did transpire.
I agree. I just don't believe the children are dead. I know my theory isn't terribly rational for the reasons you stated here. But IMO MBM leaving the area so quickly is something I just can't get past (among other doubts I have).
 
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The article is paywalled for me now , I'm assuming readers may first get 1 or 2 articles free to reel you in as a paying customer 😉 can you do a short quote of where it states DMs uncles ,dad and brother live on landsdowne Road, that is quite an interesting bit of info . Not in a sinister way but they must know that area like the back of their hand and I'm sure they would have helped search , I know DMs brother was pictured on the rv very early on . So if locals with assumed knowledge of the area could not find them its strange and I'm speculating that prehaps DM still goes out looking even if it's just in the regular going about the place

Unfortunately I can’t directly quote it if it’s paywalled but you’re not missing important details. The article didn’t say too much else about DM’s family on Lansdowne Road. Just that his father, some uncles and other family live there.

FWIW-
I randomly dropped a pin on Landsdowne Road at what looks like an access road:
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Google maps image.

It’s about an 8-minute walk from the family home to Lansdowne Road, then another 8 minutes to reach the logging road. It’s just my gut feeling that the children took main roads before venturing onto a logging road.
 
  • #374
I wonder where blanket was found ie Landsdowne Station rd or Landsdowne Rd? They don’t connect but both intersect Gairloch Rd. And Landsdowne rd intersects with the Pipeline cut. Sloppy journalism or correct locations? Once again is this the piece found on initial search?
I had another look at Gairloch rd… a truck flying around those curves could easily have hit the kids sending them over the guardrails and down the south side steep ravines . I remember a case of hit and run in Toronto. Person hit on 401, sent over the rails all the way down into a golf course. Not found initially because body was caught in the trees. Very sad story of the whole family’s trauma Miriam M Globe/Mail
I know LE have stated “searched everywhere”….would evidence have landed on asphalt before kids flying thru air to ravine? That ravine is closer to Landsdowne Station rd
 
  • #375
It's interesting that the dogs didn't trace a scent any further than the drive way / end of yard . Tbh I'm starting to believe they were taken by somebody . Infra red cameras and heat sensing equipment was used in the search on the first day . I really feel searchers would have found them

A few things from the video . Janie mentions hearing the kids and assumed they were on the swings . Do the swings squeak? I noticed they were tied up over the top beam in the video ,why ? The dog barking could it have coincided with some body known or unknown approaching the kids .

I have dogs and if I tell them to be quiet when they are barking they stop . I assume because I order them to stop they sense there is no danger to me . Prehaps janie told the dog to be quiet and it didn't alert again . Janie states about 20mins after this she heard Daniel shouting for the kids. 20 mins is enough time between dog alerting and Daniel calling to them , for someone to get them in a vehicle and drive off .

I also live on a main road and over the years you become immune to the sound of cars and trucks and no longer notice them . Its only if someone visits and points the noise out that I would hear . Maybe it was the same for janie ,not like she was being hyper vigilant about the kids safety. She went back to bed as she is entitled .

I still feel cadaver dogs need to be brought in , if not through the forest but onto the property. That freshly raked area and report of fence being repaired is playing on my mind a lot today
 
  • #376
The impression I got is that she mentioned it because of the irony. The boot print was found in the same spot she'd been raking to level out for the pool.

Up north and out east where black flies are insane in May, it's a trip to watch people who live there be outside in all their gear, doing chores, tending the garden, mowing the lawn, etc. Folks who live there live with it, and deal with it so it didn't surprise me to hear she was working outside.
No disrespect to everyone involved, but from the media interviews and police coverage, I did not get the sense these were people who 'get up and get their gear on and go outside in incremental weather and do chores.' MBM and DM were supposedly dozing with Meadow at 10 a.m. while the two children were supposedly outside playing. I can't cast an opinion on JM, but she also went back to bed around 9:30 a.m. May in Ontario and Nova Scotia is cold. It sometimes snows, and it is black fly season. Nobody is getting their gardens ready let alone a pool. I found JM's instistence that the children did not go into the woods interesting, as it pushes the same theory that MBM and DM raised from the get-go: abduction. But the RCMP is still saying abduction is not a theory they are pursuing.
 
  • #377

This is nagging at me for some reason and I’m probably picking at straws here but I can’t let go of this.

At approximately the 5:30 mark, I’m just paraphrasing here…. JM is showing the spot where she was raking on the night of May 1st. She says she was planning on putting in a pool for the kids and you need level ground. Then she says that on Friday they found the one boot print right there in the mud where she was raking.

May 1st is still pretty cold with black flies everywhere. I’m in Ontario in a pretty rural spot with lots of woods beside my home and the black flies are pretty nasty at this time. I looked at the weather for Pictou County and it’s pretty much the same. Now even if she was raking to make level ground for a future pool, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that ahead of time. She’s raking gravel. You would have to redo it anyways because it’s going to rain etc. it’s only the beginning of May. I guess I’m trying to figure out why she’s explaining this in the first place? Has something been said about her raking? It just seems odd to me. I don’t know.
JMO
My very limited experience with above-ground pools is that first you do have to rake and level the area where it will go. Then, you'll get a LOT of sand - probably a pick-up truck load's worth or two - to cover over the raked area and around where the pool will sit. The sand and prep needs to happen in a bigger circumference than just the pool's footprint. That prep takes time, and that kind of space or vehicle traffic might be hard to do in the fenced-off yard (where the chickens are? Or maybe that yard slopes too much?) If they were planning to put pavers or a deck around it, that's more prep also.

Anyhow, I don't find it odd that she was starting to get ready for setting up the pool. I did assume she meant a bigger one, not just a plastic kiddie splash pool.
 
  • #378
A few things from the video . Janie mentions hearing the kids and assumed they were on the swings . Do the swings squeak? I noticed they were tied up over the top beam in the video ,why ?
RSBM

Most likely tied up there while LE was on site searching the property - just put up there to get them out of the way while so many people were there.
 
  • #379
No disrespect to everyone involved, but from the media interviews and police coverage, I did not get the sense these were people who 'get up and get their gear on and go outside in incremental weather and do chores.' MBM and DM were supposedly dozing with Meadow at 10 a.m. while the two children were supposedly outside playing. I can't cast an opinion on JM, but she also went back to bed around 9:30 a.m. May in Ontario and Nova Scotia is cold. It sometimes snows, and it is black fly season. Nobody is getting their gardens ready let alone a pool. I found JM's instistence that the children did not go into the woods interesting, as it pushes the same theory that MBM and DM raised from the get-go: abduction. But the RCMP is still saying abduction is not a theory they are pursuing.
I've been up north and out east in May when the black flies are thick as syrup, and yes, folks are outside working, tending to their property, animals, gardens, whatever, covered in protective bug netting and all sorts of things. Or, with no protection at all. These folks live there, and they're used to these things.

This woman owns chickens that require daily care, year round, as she mentioned feeding them early that morning. As for her raking the night before for a pool location, I have no reason to believe she's lying about that.

I have no idea if these kids were taken, but RCMP has stated previously they don't have evidence of that. Will that change after 5000 hours of video screening? Who knows.
 
  • #380
Tbh I wish the interview would have occurred before the updates to the fence etc
 
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