CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[thor124]

I believe this was unpacked and discussed quite extensively, months ago. Maybe someone else remembers the outcome better than I do. But I think it was a missed deadline from 2024, not 2025. This led to a whole discussion of common law marriage, which, I believe in Canadian law, DM and MBM were considered to be married under common law. For this reason, her benefits were impacted by his missed deadline.
I could certainly be wrong!
IMO

You are correct, when Meadow was born they became a Common Law Couple, with CCB being determined by based on family income. As such DM not filing taxes would impact MBM's CCB payments.

But for them to have not been receiving CCB in May 2025 it would have to have been due to DM not filing 2023's tax return.

2023's tax return determined the CCB benefit from July 2024->June 2025. 2024's tax return determines CCB from July 2025->June 2026.

At $1900/month that's a lot of money to leave on the table as a struggling family.

 

[su5ie]

The documents describe in detail how the family spent the days leading up to the disappearance running errands.

On Wednesday, April 30, all five, including Jack and Lilly's baby sister, went to Brooks-Murray's grandmother's house to do laundry at 2 p.m.

More than an hour later, Brooks-Murray took the baby with her to get a licence plate for her car while Martell stayed at her grandmother's house with Jack and Lilly.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

Can't find the mention of DM, sitting in a car outside grandmas during washing laundry by MBM. I know (I think, I know at least ), I wondered about it, because washing isn't done so fast, and who would sit in a car for hours?
I can't remember, where I read it, but I think, it was here on WS, because I for a long time didn't look into Fb. until I had a look there too. On Fb. there is much talk about him sitting outside during washing laundry, and people are also wondering about the time, he had to wait there in the car.

I think this is in the documents, either that or its 100% in an msm released article , I don't look on fb gossip pages about the case . I will often look at belyndas page for updates that's about it .

So I know for a fact it was said he waited in the car at some point while mbm was in grandma's

 

[MistyWaters]

I think this is in the documents, either that or its 100% in an msm released article , I don't look on fb gossip pages about the case . I will often look at belyndas page for updates that's about it .

So I know for a fact it was said he waited in the car at some point while mbm was in grandma's

If you’re remembering something about DM waiting in the car it might be what Slebby posted a few posts up, but that wasn’t on the Wednesday.

This is what I recalled:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

“On Wednesday, April 30, all five, including Jack and Lilly's baby sister, went to Brooks-Murray's grandmother's house to do laundry at 2 p.m.

More than an hour later, Brooks-Murray took the baby with her to get a licence plate for her car while Martell stayed at her grandmother's house with Jack and Lilly.

According to the documents, "they went to the Ultramar in Millbrook to get gas and she stopped to get a vape for Daniel at High Grade."

The entire family later went for groceries and eventually arrived back home at 10:19 p.m.”

 

[Serononin]

Later that month, RCMP requested all camera footage at the Cobequid Pass, the location of a toll plaza on the Trans-Canada Highway in northern Nova Scotia about 70 kilometres from the New Brunswick border, between May 1 at 2:25 p.m. and May 3 at 3 a.m.

The children were on video surveillance at the Dollarama in New Glasgow, a town about 20 kilometres northeast of Lansdowne Station, at 2:25 p.m. on the Thursday before their disappearance.

"This time frame will encompass the time frame between when they were last seen and when Cody Sullivan was confirmed to be in Nova Scotia. Footage from this timeline will assist investigators with independently verifying Cody Sullivan's statement to police and confirm Jack and Lilly did not leave Nova Scotia," writes Curl in her application.

It's not clear from the documents what the camera footage did or did not confirm.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

Thank you for finding the source!!

 

[Bigditch]

When I see this note about the Canadian Child Benefit it bothers me.

CCB wouldn't have stopped right away if DM was late filing his taxes. Entailments are are determined on a yearly basis and the payment schedule runs from July to June.

I can speak from personal experience, if your late filing your taxes CCB is still deposited in May and June.

For them not be receiving the CCB in May 2025, DM's 2023 taxes would be the ones that hadn't yet been filed, and they would've been missing the CCB payments for almost a year at that point in time.

Thank you. I had been wondering about that and came to the same conclusion. Why is this so puzzling? Was the CCB for all 3 kids?

 

[OneLove]

What are the odds that DM sitting in the car while MBM did all the laundry and child tending herself was a general way of life for them as a couple? Could he be one of *those* guys who feels such tasks are beneath his dignity? Did the g'ma have reason to not *like* him and her disdain showed so he avoided her? Did MBM and g'ma use the time to discuss her predicament and possibly plan for an "out clause"? Did MBM take her youngest most vulnerable children with her because she didnt trust DM to properly tend to her in her short absence?

There are so many unanswered questions about the status of their relationship on the very eve of her children's sudden disappearance. One thing we do know: she left,, immediately, and severed all ties, and has not wavered one bit in that decision. I have the feeling that was the best thing she could do for herself and for her youngest child. I hope they are happier and healthier in their new position.

 

[thor124]

Thank you. I had been wondering about that and came to the same conclusion. Why is this so puzzling? Was the CCB for all 3 kids?

I think so. Per this CRA website the max entitlement for the 2024-2025 year was $7787 per year per child.

($7787 x 3) / 12 = $1946.75/month.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think so. Per this CRA website the max entitlement for the 2024-2025 year was $7787 per year per child.

($7787 x 3) / 12 = $1946.75/month.

Another reason it’s puzzling is they’d only been together for three years. That DM just suddenly stopped filing the last two years they were together leaving him to support a household of five? How would he expect he had the financial ability? That doesn’t make sense to me, more than likely the CCB represented a free meal ticket to him. There’s other govt benefits such as GST and carbon tax refunds that are also not paid in the absence of filing annual tax.

But before I automatically believe everything I read in the media, I want to know who’s the source?

Was it MBMs grandma? If she was, she’d only know what was told to her or maybe she misunderstood or was confused, as can happen to any of us as we age. The reason I wonder is she didn’t recall the family was at her home to do their laundry only two days before the children disappeared but talked about a visit one or two weeks prior.

G&M wrote everything in that Aug 8th article as if the information was 100% factual but it can’t have been as they were unable to interview MBM and CRA would never disclose private taxpayer information to the media.

JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

Do we know that the payment delay was due to DM not filing his taxes?

One of my friends had her payments delayed because she, in error, checked the incorrect marital status on her tax return. It was taking the CRA months to make the correction.

 

[agent902]

Whoa; I wonder WHY he would be afraid for his own safety just for reporting DM's vehicle was driving back and forth and pausing often in the dead of night? Who might possibly want to *hurt* him just for reporting that?

<modsnip>

I don't think they are lying. I think they might be confused which night they actually saw that car.

Smith called in offering to share observations about cars driving on the 289, on the first day of searching. May 2nd. It was recorded on the scanner traffic.

According to him, what time did he go to bed?

In one account, he claimed around 8 pm (and that the kids were already in bed). But she said the kids were up hyper until 10 pm. Then he claimed he went to bed at midnight. He said "early" in one account. But also late.

IMO sitting in car/outside could be related to his previous admission of meth use

Remember that they used to live with her. Why did they move out of her place, to Daniel's mom's?

When I see this note about the Canadian Child Benefit it bothers me.

CCB wouldn't have stopped right away if DM was late filing his taxes. Entailments are are determined on a yearly basis and the payment schedule runs from July to June.

I can speak from personal experience, if your late filing your taxes CCB is still deposited in May and June.

For them not be receiving the CCB in May 2025, DM's 2023 taxes would be the ones that hadn't yet been filed, and they would've been missing the CCB payments for almost a year at that point in time.

<modsnip: No link to an approved source>

 

[BCSleuth]

When I see this note about the Canadian Child Benefit it bothers me.

CCB wouldn't have stopped right away if DM was late filing his taxes. Entailments are are determined on a yearly basis and the payment schedule runs from July to June.

I can speak from personal experience, if your late filing your taxes CCB is still deposited in May and June.

For them not be receiving the CCB in May 2025, DM's 2023 taxes would be the ones that hadn't yet been filed, and they would've been missing the CCB payments for almost a year at that point in time.

Yeah, that just doesn't make any sense. Payments go from August to July and payments would not stop until August if he missed the deadline this April.

Are we seriously supposed to believe that they went many months without collecting their $1,900/month because DM couldn't be bothered to file his 2023 taxes?

Doesn't add up. Maybe they missed a month or two back in August/September 2024, but surely he would file once the money dried up. And you do get back benefits.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Yeah, that just doesn't make any sense. Payments go from August to July and payments would not stop until August if he missed the deadline this April.

Are we seriously supposed to believe that they went many months without collecting their $1,900/month because DM couldn't be bothered to file his 2023 taxes?

Doesn't add up. Maybe they missed a month or two back in August/September 2024, but surely he would file once the money dried up. And you do get back benefits.

A few things come to mind with a couple being mentioned already:

1. Maybe DM didn't want to file his taxes if he thought he'd owe money? I have heard of people doing this before even if only working little. If DM isn't savvy on this, he might be spooked to file thinking he may owe
2. Do we know for suer MBM wasn't scamming and was filing as common-law and not single? She would get more money as a single person, not relying on. DM's income? We've only heard what MBM told her family and what her family has released ...we don't have access to tax records and the tax claims
3. Or DM worked 1 day a week "on paper" and was doing cash jobs here and there maybe and wasn't claiming cash jobs as income at all which would give him some financial power
4. Or did MBM have more financial power? If child support was coming from the ex, it would go to her bank account not DMs. If she was getting CCB with or without claiming DM as a common-law, I'd think she'd still get that money in her account not DMs, no? The 2 kids were hers, not DMs so most of the CCB would be for the 2 kids

JMO MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

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[thor124]

A few things come to mind with a couple being mentioned already:

1. Maybe DM didn't want to file his taxes if he thought he'd owe money? I have heard of people doing this before even if only working little. If DM isn't savvy on this, he might be spooked to file thinking he may owe
2. Do we know for suer MBM wasn't scamming and was filing as common-law and not single? She would get more money as a single person, not relying on. DM's income? We've only heard what MBM told her family and what her family has released ...we don't have access to tax records and the tax claims
3. Or DM worked 1 day a week "on paper" and was doing cash jobs here and there maybe and wasn't claiming cash jobs as income at all which would give him some financial power
4. Or did MBM have more financial power? If child support was coming from the ex, it would go to her bank account not DMs. If she was getting CCB with or without claiming DM as a common-law, I'd think she'd still get that money in her account not DMs, no? The 2 kids were hers, not DMs so most of the CCB would be for the 2 kids

JMO MOO

1) Possible but silly.
2) I suspect even their combined income would entitle them to the max CCB.
3) Possible, but not likely IMO.
4) It would make sense that both child support and CCB would go to MBM's account.

The G&M article seems to be the source for not collecting CCB, but I'm not sure what their source on it is. It might be false. I can't see anyone struggling financially as DM and MBM appear to have been leaving that much cash on the table every month for nearly a year.

 

[Slebby]

1) Possible but silly.
2) I suspect even their combined income would entitle them to the max CCB.
3) Possible, but not likely IMO.
4) It would make sense that both child support and CCB would go to MBM's account.

The G&M article seems to be the source for not collecting CCB, but I'm not sure what their source on it is. It might be false. I can't see anyone struggling financially as DM and MBM appear to have been leaving that much cash on the table every month for nearly a year.

One, I don’t see the Globe and Mail publishing false info (to what end?), and two, DM is pretty defensive and very vocal in disputing things said about him, and I doubt he would allow this to stand if untrue. He’s had more than 2 months to do so.
IMHO

 

[MistyWaters]

One, I don’t see the Globe and Mail publishing false info (to what end?), and two, DM is pretty defensive and very vocal in disputing things said about him, and I doubt he would allow this to stand if untrue. He’s had more than 2 months to do so.
IMHO

It’s impossible for G&M to know if the info is true or false. Surely nobody believes everything they read in the media in this day and age? According to surveys, it’s become a minority. One of the reasons is there is no law to require sources to prove what they disclose to a reporter who is looking for a story. Neither is there a law requiring a reporter to prove what they write as long as the information originates from a source. Freedom of the press protects everyone involved.

Does it really matter when DM filed his income tax, expecting he ought to defend himself? Where does the line get drawn protecting private lives and the public’s insatiable appetite for gossip and scandal? DM has not been charged with domestic abuse nor has Maleyha reported it to police, that we know of. All the allegations are secondary hand, and obviously reflect poorly on DM without knowing anything of a possible agenda of the person who is the source. My question is what’s behind the agenda?

What connection is there between Maleyha’s CCB and the disappearance of Lilly and Jack?

JMO

 

[Slebby]

It’s impossible for G&M to know if the info is true or false. Surely nobody believes everything they read in the media in this day and age? According to surveys, it’s become a minority. One of the reasons is there is no law to require sources to prove what they disclose to a reporter who is looking for a story. Neither is there a law requiring a reporter to prove what they write as long as the information originates from a source. Freedom of the press protects everyone involved.

Does it really matter when DM filed his income tax, expecting he ought to defend himself? Where does the line get drawn protecting private lives and the public’s insatiable appetite for gossip and scandal? DM has not been charged with domestic abuse nor has Maleyha reported it to police, that we know of. All the allegations are secondary hand, and obviously reflect poorly on DM without knowing anything of a possible agenda of the person who is the source. My question is what’s behind the agenda?

What connection is there between Maleyha’s CCB and the disappearance of Lilly and Jack?

JMO

<modsnip> I did not say he ought to defend himself, I said he has a tendency to defend himself against assertions that he deems untrue. I doubt he would let this stand if untrue.
That’s my opinion.

 

[thor124]

What connection is there between Maleyha’s CCB and the disappearance of Lilly and Jack?

I'm not sure that there is one, aside from the fact it would cause friction between MBM and DM. I apologize if I've derailed the conversation by bringing it up.

 

[Ontario Mom]

What connection is there between Maleyha’s CCB and the disappearance of Lilly and Jack?

Possibly nothing.
Possibly everything.

Right now it seems like just one more detail in the piles of details that don't really make any sense or neatly fit into any kind of understanding as to how/why those kids disappeared.

jmo

 

[MistyWaters]

<modsnip> I did not say he ought to defend himself, I said he has a tendency to defend himself against assertions that he deems untrue. I doubt he would let this stand if untrue.
That’s my opinion.

<modsnip> ... just commenting on the general topic of DM publicly defending what is written about him. If he felt compelled, I hope somebody talked him out of it.

By now surely he must recognize it’s pointless. He’s become the SM persona of the evil stepfather. Sadly, the truth isn’t what people want to hear unless he’s implicated.
JMO